Turtle

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    When you write it out...
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    When you write it out, it sounds a little absurd...hence the absurd responses.

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  1. Comic creators definitely have the right to set their own rates as they see fit. And I'd also add kudos to people who were getting books signed in bulk who insisted on paying for signatures despite the free notation. If you're getting a big/repetitive stack of books signed...no matter whether they're for resale or for a personal collection, I whole-heartedly believe that the courteous thing to do is to compensate the creator for their time and generosity. That said, the practice of charging X price for raw books and Y price for books to be graded alienates a good number of collectors out there. It's important to keep in mind that not everyone who is getting a book signed for Signature Series is a dealer or doing it for resale. Some people enjoy having interactions with creators and then having signed books from those interactions graded for various reasons. Some like the protection a slab gives. Some like it for display purposes. Some like it for the "certificate of authenticity" standpoint as CGC's signature series seems to be the most widely recognized verification method in this hobby. Not all people fit in this category, but many do. It just seems silly that a creator would tell that person "If you leave the comic in a bag and board, the signature is free, but if you send it somewhere for a special case, it'll cost you". It shouldn't matter what I do with the item after the fact...it doesn't change what the creator is doing for me overall. To give an example, if I go to a car dealership to buy a car, there is a price listed for each vehicle. There is no sliding scale that says if you're going to drive your family around and pick up groceries, the price is X but if you're going to become a full time Uber driver, the price is Y. And why would there be? It doesn't matter one bit to the dealership what you plan on doing with the vehicle once you've purchased it. Is there any item you can buy which has a price that fluctuates depending on what you intend to do with it once you have it? On a personal level, the growing trend of charging more for witnessed signatures as opposed to raw ones has only served to kill enthusiasm for going to shows to meet artists. I'm a big fan of TMNT and I enjoy the IDW series that's currently around issue #100. The series features a lot of variant covers from a wide variety of artists. Years ago, I'd seek out some of these variant cover artists I'd never really been exposed to and chat with them for a bit about TMNT and usually have them sign a copy for my collection (my collection was largely Signature Series books at the time). The additional charge has dissuaded me from seeking these people out anymore. Artists I've never heard of are charging $20 to sign a copy of a book if I intend on getting it graded. I appreciate uniformity, so instead of meeting the artist and getting the book signed and left raw, I'm simply just not approaching the artist anymore. This happened as recently as NYCC a few weeks ago...when I approached a few tables and saw these artists were charging extra for witnessed signatures, I decided to skip it. Honestly, one of them even had a book I wanted to buy. I waited until he was away from his table to buy it from his handler to avoid the awkward "Do you want me to sign this?" moment. As a fan of witnessed signatures for my own collection, my favorite approach to this is something along the lines of "first 1/2/5/whatever are free, $X for each signature after that". Maybe a creator is best known for 1 or 2 really well-known issues...someone like Rob Liefeld. Many years ago when I first saw him (around 2009 or so), he charged $20 to sign NM 87 or NM 98, but every other issue was free. In both of these methods, people coming up with a lot of books for resale, personal collections, or whatever will still get charged, but it removes the barrier for entry for the personal collectors who may just want a single item signed and a brief conversation with a creator they appreciate. In the past, creators like Len Wein, Larry Hama, and Marv Wolfman have all had different variations of this model and it was always a positive interaction. They were able to make money from dealers/resellers while still engaging with fans at no cost. Is it perfect? Of course not. No system is. But at least it doesn't alienate fans and still allows creators to earn money for their signatures.
  2. After having this for nearly 9 years, I FINALLY got it framed. I really like how it came out! TMNT by Michael Dooney.
  3. Let's refresh ourselves with how we got here. The following was posted about coasttocoastcomics: Which got this reply: Your first response was quoting Red_Hood's comment. You basically stated that you did essentially the same thing as coasttocoastcomics and don't see the harm in it, seemingly because the buyer and the seller walk away happy. All my replies revolve around this scenario. If you'd like to talk about other scenarios, start up another thread and I'll be happy to join in. Trying to change the variables to alter the scenario being discussed in this thread only serves to distract from the subject at hand and I don't wish to derail that as I find this kind of calling out valuable on these boards.
  4. I just stick to the matter at hand and don't let myself get distracted by a litany of other scenarios that just serve to obfuscate the main point. We can have a discussion about any scenario you want. However, it doesn't change the fact that the original scenario as you presented it is against eBay's Terms of Service.
  5. Again, I am not commenting on any scenario except the one you presented initially. Remember, in your first scenario, you said you "made offers (as a buyer) to people on eBay" and then proceeded to move the transaction off of ebay. This, no matter how you spin it, is against the ebay Terms of Service. Ebay provides a message system to connect buyers and sellers and they explicitly don't want people using this system to move transactions off their site. In essence, this is using their service to avoid their fees. This is a big reason why ebay put measures in place to try to prevent people from sharing phone numbers or e-mail addresses in their message system. They don't want people using the service and then circumventing the fees, which is exactly what you've stated you did. Getting back to your first question of "Is it really that bad?". In the grand scheme of things, as far as crimes go, it's certainly pretty low on the totem pole...somewhere around jaywalking. But it's still wrong as it explicitly violates eBay's Terms of Service.
  6. Now you're creating scenarios and telling me what my stance is on them. Awesome. In my posts to you, I have not deemed anything acceptable. I have only deemed your original scenario to be against eBay's Terms of Service. You're saying I implied something. I didn't. You inferred something and now you're just running with it while dodging your original post. Instead of owning it, you're trying to justify your actions by throwing different scenarios at me that in your mind "when it comes down to it, it's the same.". Justify your actions however you like. Just don't come onto a self-policing and largely upstanding message board and flaunt your disregard for the rules and expect to not have someone say something about it.
  7. My reasoning: a full-sized original version would easily cost 3x more (or much more depending on the condition), take up more room, and only have one of the games. I was also a little hesitant, but the tipping point for me was that getting these while they're new helps me to avoid the secondary market. With my luck, I'd contemplate getting one of these for too long, they'd stop making them, then I'd end up paying double the price for a used one that I have to drive 2 hours to pick up myself. Buying it now means Wal-Mart delivered a new one right to my door. That made the decision very easy.
  8. No, your original scenario involved giving the ebay seller your board name and then doing a deal on the boards instead of ebay. Here's what you said: I have made offers (as a buyer) to people on eBay and also noted that I am on the CGC Chat boards and give them my name here. I don't say lets do a deal through here but it's sort of implied . It's worked out a few times where we were both (buyer/seller) happy. You only make reference to ebay and the CGC boards. You never mention a 3rd party site/dealer. If you'd like, we can discuss the nature of a wide variety of scenarios. It won't change the fact that the one you presented initially is against eBay's Terms of Service. You even recognize that it's wrong, at least a little, by saying: Is that really that bad LOL? Feel free to keep backpedaling.
  9. That's not at all what I'm saying. That's also not the scenario you framed.
  10. Of course the buyer and seller in this case were happy. At least one of them received some form of discount and neither of them were being shortchanged. Ebay was. In the instance you presented, the buyer used eBay's infrastructure to find an item and connect with a seller...a connection that may not have been made in the absence of ebay. At this point, both parties decided to cut ebay out of the picture, essentially refusing to pay for the service that was already used. This is similar to using Paypal's "Friends & Family" or "Personal" payments to pay for items online. Both cases involve breaking the company's Terms of Service and using a service without paying for it. Both cases are tantamount to theft only instead of goods, it's a service that's being stolen. Between practices like these and general media piracy, I often hear the same excuses: "Is it really that bad?" "The company already assumes a certain amount of this stuff will happen. It's the cost of doing business". "This company makes enough money". "It's not hurting anyone". "They practically owe me this for giving them so much business over the years". Rationalize it any way you want. It's wrong.
  11. My son and I got most of this built over the weekend. We finished the riser and got most of the cabinet put together. However, I ordered a light-up marquee for it that should arrive in a week or two so I'm going to wait for that instead of putting everything together only to take it apart again when it gets here. So for now, it's just going to take up space on its side in the middle of the living room. In the mean time, I figured I'd post the pic I took from NYCC from the Arcade 1up booth. They had a MASSIVE Marvel Super Heroes game that was very popular. It was literally the biggest arcade cabinet I've ever seen.
  12. It's a common misconception that there were only 3,000 copies of the first print of TMNT #1. In fact, Peter Laird has gone on record to say there were 3,275. Not a big difference to be sure, but I think it's worth noting. As for Kevin's artistic ability, I find it impossible to separate the art from the man. If I had never met Kevin and didn't know the impact he had on the world around him, I'd say the art was not up to the level of many professional artists working in the industry in any era. I probably wouldn't be a fan based on the art alone. However, TMNT was huge for me as a kid and I've had a wonderful time collecting and reading the TMNT comics/art as an adult. Add in the fact that Kevin has been exceptionally cool every time I've met him and I've never once heard any fan say they had a bad experience with him and suddenly I find myself as a huge fan of the art because I'm a fan of the man behind the art. Is the art objectively great? No. Do I like it? You'd better believe it! Of course my opinion is biased. I love the TMNT and have for over 30 years, so take this with a grain of salt.
  13. For the last 2-3 years, Joe Sinnott has been a guest at the East Coast Comic Con in New Jersey. The show usually happens in April or May. In the past, @Rich_Henn has been a facilitator at the show and I'm betting he'd be able to help you out if Joe Sinnott ends up going again next year.