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rebelpk

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  1. 12 hours ago, 01TheDude said:

    I'm with @jcjames on this one. If I own it already, no sense in cloning it. Also-- it seems very dishonest and it misses the point of vintage items completely. They have lived. They will also die at some point (fire, water, time-- something will break them into dust at some point).

    I like reprints for things out of my price range. I appreciate the genuine article. Making clones of comics and selling them is no different than cloning money-- which is illegal. Even if you get away with it-- you would know that you are cheating and with comics-- who cares if you are lying about your collection other than yourself?

    Did you invent a cloning machine? Did you invent a time machine? Same difference-- interesting ideas but pretty unlikely. Interesting topic but I think the answer comes down to your own moral code. If I had to choose-- I would want the time machine. The interesting part of that is whether you choose to go to the future or the past. Not sure I would use that device to buy comic books or to even change history (never know what might trigger your own butterfly-effect demise). I think I would probably start by going to the future to figure out how I died so I could maybe avoid that or extend my time. Also pick up some easy money via a lottery win and live the easy life. That would be enough for starters. Huge fan of time travel movies and TV.

    You would have started a butterfly effect by simply being there, which means anything you saw wouldn't be the same. Isn't that the whole poibt of the butterfly effect? The slightest change (just you stepping into that world) could have any number of implications. Past or future. Even if you didn't do anything in the future apart from buying one comic book you would change the future and the same if you went to the future.

    This topic is just for a discussion. The philosophical factor. Nothing else.

  2. 5 hours ago, namisgr said:

    Agreed.  Since the term 'clone' has a specific meaning in biology and there alone, a more appropriate term for what's being proposed in the first post is 'counterfeit'.  With that in mind, I doubt there are many collectors who'd be happy counterfeiting comics.

    Perhaps this thought exercise should instead involve a time machine, and the ability to go back in time and bring comics to the present.  :wink:

     

    The specific reason I said clone was to avoid the whole time machine conundrum and also to step away from the counterfeits. This is just purely a philosophical discussion. There is no conspiracy theory to copy your books.

    Would it be better if I painted a scenario?

    The year is 2020. Humans have the ability to perfectly replicate any physical object, down to the last atom. Any DNA on the item is retained as is. Items are copied like for like. Looking at them under a microscope, scientists can't discern the original from the copy.

    It is so cheap that each copy costs only 10.00 USD.

    The only problem is it only seems to work with comic books and even the cases for those slabbed comics that them nerds talk so much about.

    These are not counterfeits and unfortunately it's only 2020, so no time machine yet (except for going into 2020 for the purpose of this philosophical discussion)

  3. 13 minutes ago, oakman29 said:

    There is a double edge sword to your question. On one hand I certainly would still love and collect my personal collection,  but the bottom would drop out of the collector  market and crash like any glut in supply.

    Absolutely it would crash, but the question is would you or anyone else still be interested in their comics if they were only worth 10 USD?

  4. 12 minutes ago, jcjames said:

    My answer is still no.

    If the value of the book is the story and art, there are reprints. 

    If the value of the book is that it is a collectible, then obviously still no. 

    But it's not authentic. That's shy reprints would be excluded from this.

    You can still have collectibles that aren't valuable.

    Is it merely because of the monetary value you'd lose?

  5. 10 minutes ago, jcjames said:

     

    10 minutes ago, jcjames said:

    What are you talking about?

    If I ALREADY have an AF15 (that I probably paid $$$$ for), why would I clone it?

    If I DON'T already have an AF15, then your original question is irrelevant to me because I don't already have it.

     

    I'm just addressing the question you posed - no, I wouldn't clone a mega-rare grail that I already own because it would devalue it as an investment AND as a "rare" collectible.

     

    The point is, if you can clone, so can others.

    The original question was specifically directed as yourself as a owner.

    I would.

    My grails involve a Hulk 181 9.0 and X-men 6.0 signed by Stan Lee.

    I'd have no issues with the book being copied. For me the value us is in what the books represent and not their monetary value.

    It's asking the question of would you be happy to have your books cloned to own whichever book you wanted?

    Read more into the implications of it.

    The cloning is open to everyone's books.

  6. 2 minutes ago, jcjames said:

     

    Your original question stated: " ..and you had mega rare key issues (Tec27, AC1, AF15, etc), would you let your books be cloned "

    If I already have them, then I probably paid $$$$$ for them.... so it would be insane for me to "let my books be cloned" to flood the market and destroy the $$$$ that I spent to acquire them.

    So you have all of the books you've ever wanted? You've finished collecting?

  7. 1 minute ago, jcjames said:

    Again, why would ANYONE (collector or not) spend $50,000 on a book to "collect" and then turn it into a $10 book by cloning it?

    (shrug)

    You never wanted to own all of those great key issues?

    I do. I have goals for collecting which I know I'll likely never achieve due to the insane cost and inflation some books have gone through.

  8. 10 minutes ago, goldust40 said:

    If they were cloned would the clone still be a piece of history, or a clone of history?

    Depends on your perception.

    If this helps, if your books were signed or touched by anyone. Any vestigial DNA would still be on your book. The signature would be there.

  9. 1 minute ago, Gaard said:

    I'm not sure I understand the question, but couldn't you clone a book for $10 & then sell it  for $100,000?

    The point being that anyone has access to this cloning machine and could flood the market.

    The question is, would you be willing to sacrifice the monetary value of your books so that you and everyone could own the same book?

  10. It depends why you collect. For you it seems obvious that it's for their monetary value, and hey to each their own.

    I collect because I like the books, the piece of history with them.

    Even if they were worthless I'd still collect them. I might not slab them. 

  11. 1 minute ago, B2D327 said:

    Would it clone them in the grade they're in?..Wouldn't make much sense to clone a copy that's falling apart just to make another copy that's falling apart

    They would be cloned like for like.

    If graded they would come back with the same grade/pq.

    Any rusted staples, spine ticks, tears would also be replicated.

  12. Because it's  a Sunday and I have to go to work tomorrow time to start some .

    If comic books could be cloned , and you had mega rare key issues(Tec27, AC1, AF15, etc), would you let your books be cloned so that everyone could have them?

     

    The cloning process is cheap, like 10 USD a book, and there is no damage to your books, except obviously the value of your book as now there could be infinite amount of said rare books. 

     

    Discuss!

  13. 1 minute ago, Black Lantern said:

    The idea is great, but have they thought about Brexit? GB won't be in the EU anymore in 1 year. Would it not have been better to open an office in an EU country? Because every collector from an EU country will have to go through the same procedure with customs and export/import papers like when shipping to the USA. Sure, it won't cost the same amount of postage but the time and effort and the hassle with everything that comes with it, will stay the same.

    Shhhhhhh.

    what are you doing?

    Just because some insufficiently_thoughtful_persons voted out doesn't mean we should suffer, plus...

    What are you doing?

  14. I remember when I joined. This was an active forum. Over the years I dropped in and out according to personal circumstances, but I've definitely noticed a change when I came back. There seemed to be an influx of sellers going way above GPA and not giving a about the community.

    Sellers used to be involved in active discussion and would actually sell to other collectors, not speculators.

    Love the hype the movies bring but at the same time I think it brought the type of sellers that are more interested in flipping than collecting.

  15. This is going to be a super long shot.

    A few years back there was a best of the best CGC SS Sketch competition, for different characters, etc.

    There was one sketch that was done on oils or pastels.

    It was the best Wolverine sketch I'd ever seen.

    It was from Mad Dogz I think.

    I was just hoping to see it again.