Menace

Here is a pick of the quote so that you can take it up with Angel. I like to be thorough. The questions I needed answered were perhaps caused by my own mistakes but I wanted to know for sure before I sent paperwork and wasted more time having to resend it or perhaps delaying the processing of the books. Those questions were answered December 4th, I sent the paperwork December 6th. None of which amounts to PL worthy offense IMO. If people aren't willing to wait they won't partake in the opps I offer. If you are still able to offer opps. I am don't worry.

Here is a pick of the quote so that you can take it up with Angel. I like to be thorough. The questions I needed answered were perhaps caused by my own mistakes but I wanted to know for sure before I sent paperwork and wasted more time having to resend it or perhaps delaying the processing of the books. Those questions were answered December 4th, I sent the paperwork December 6th. None of which amounts to PL worthy offense IMO. If people aren't willing to wait they won't partake in the opps I offer.

I think one thing that should be done is separating the actual facts and people involved in a dispute form those with one liners and memes. This could clear up all the confusion on the issues and allow people to actually form an opinion based on the facts. I see all these negative comments on my character, but what were talking about here... as far as I have seen... is three things, one of which (ramos sketches) I explained and came to a full understanding about a long time ago and which had nothing to do with the boards. The other is an opp, which some people involved in have posted saying I took too long or am not updating people.... I ask again, is it good for CGC to call out creators. Stay tuned because I will be checking with Angel about that quote posted in the Sig room. The third was a refund or replacement book, and I think we covered that. I was not told from June till December that the book is still missing as soon as I did I sent a refund. What is flaky... what makes me everything else I have been called? I have a problem with less than 1% of books I handle... I think that is a pretty good rate.

I don't "need" anything from him. Although, seeing how I'm not the only one that thinks he shouldn't be on the HOS, a "thanks for the support" would be nice. I commented yesterday but any real consideration of the facts seems to go by the wayside. Your a good dude, see you at ECC, maybe Portland? Thanks for the support bro

And he already hit the notify moderator button on the poll. I guess he feels we shouldn't follow our own guidelines. Didn't you know he is above the rules??? How else could he still operate as a facilitator for CGC with all of the complaints on him Where is this list of complaints you keep referring to? I see 2 issues. He has had numerous complaints on him brought to Mikes attention of the last year or more. All of this is nothing new with Menace. AKA - you do not know. It's ok not to know. If you have a list please share otherwise hearsay doesn't help. (thumbs u I sense a very personal vibe with your posts. Do you have something personal with Menace? No not hearsey what I know is from my conversations with Mike B a year ago when Menace screwed me. Menace also was added to the probie list last May by me. After a long apology Email from him about his family business blah blah blah. I felt bad and request the mods delete my flamming. I'm sure there are some from the ss room than can recall this and back me. Dscott I am sure remembers he helped with the situation. Can you please produce this email... now this one for sure is a total lie. Again, you freaked out after I posted your full name, as you lied then, saying I had not refunded you so I posted the PayPal transaction ID # etc. This is your second lie... I think your should be on the HOS....

Is this just a really long winded way of saying "Burn the Witch?" If not, expect it to fall on deaf ears. I think we can agree on the odds of anything calming the mob but I thought it was worth a try. The HOS is quickly becoming useless as well. I stopped using the "No HoS or Probies" in my sales threads. Although the list of boardies I will not accept any SS subs from has grown tremendously. In the SS forum, Menace said he never received my email. PM me your email and I can forward you his response to my email. Its not just about getting my refund. I am not going to let him bash me by saying he did not get my emails. He is showing no remorse and needs to man up and tell the truth for once. So I am still waiting for this communication to be produced... was this a lie? Who needs to man up and tell the truth here?

If you got it, you wouldn't have posted this, Jake: The onus is on you to communicate with your clients - whether they be participants in a sketch opp or buyers from one of your sales threads. You're the one responsible for keeping them informed of delays, mishaps, etc - they shouldn't have to track you down outside of the boards for an opportunity you posted here. Yes I meant to say I guess I didn't understand the point. Typo. I posted our outside communication in this case. I was under the impression I SENT THE BOOK.What else can I say or do. Its a mistake. I talk to most of my customers on Facebook and email and the boards. But asking that business be done through email from now on its not a huge burden of a thing to ask. I am not soliciting for a bunch of sketch opps or whatever and ignoring something that is a problem. I have done a single... just one mail away opp this year. It did no go quickly, what else can I say or do here?

My point is I have always been available and very quick to take care of any issues that have arisen. I do my best that is all I can do. If there was some issue here that was ongoing, that I would not or could not fix then I would agree we have something left here to talk about. As of now I have quickly taken care of any outstanding issues or problems with the books in question. Is the rest of this just entertainment for you because I don't see much new here or of much substance.

I guess I did, was the point that I need to use PM's cause I get that is what your opinion is on it.

Dre, I think we went over this, I post my personal cell phone number, my email, my address. I am not hard to reach. If you check out my recent and I say recent over like 6 months or so I have facilitated one event publicly. I have a single and problematic opp which is on its way to being completed. I do books for my friends now, and honestly have no time to publicly facilitate. I own a growing art studio, do my own opps, I work for other conventions and now it looks like I am putting on two or three of my own conventions this year. All this talk about I need to slow down etc is after the fact. I have slowed down a lot on taking subs and only do it in general by request of the show or a customer.

He posted a facebook chat about the book he never sent me for 5 months or refund. But he edited it. Why would you edit it??? Unless you have things to hide. What do I have to hide? I don't want to throw blame on creators or CGC publicly. The book was mislabeled.. Did I mislabel it? I edited bad words and two remarks about CGC, not really remarks, I responded to a conversation about something we perceived to be off and said 'wtf cgc' Seriously... why not focus on the fact you never mentioned that I did not send your book? This is turning into a joke... where people are deflecting the core issues with stupid remarks and nonsense.

So where on FB since you said you messaged me so many times do you mention in the pat 6 month you dont have your book?

If you want to post the conversation - post the whole thing without any edits. Like when you bashed CGC for the wrong sticker. What does me saying 'damn cgc' or 'wtf cgc' have anything to do with the substance of the issue? Yes I removed those comments out of respect for CGC being as this is their house. And the issue at hand, being that I did not send you the book AFTER the fact, that doesn't have any fault of CGC right? So what did I censor that was of any substance to the issue? Did I mislabel the book? No.. is it fair to have a certain level of frustration about the wrong label being on there sure.

It does look like he's working it out. That's a very good thing. However, since he solicited the sales and opportunities on this board, he probably shouldn't be upset that people are using the boards as the primary means of contact for him. If he started it here, he should organize it and complete it here. I understand that other means might be more convenient for him but it should be about what his customers expect and what works for them. Changing the venue, midstream, seems to have caused more problems than it solved in terms of communication. I did not change venue, I just simply can not keep track of things via PM. If people would use a single PM thread for all the info like I tried to make for each customer it would be great. But it didnt work, I would have 10 pms from one person over the time it would take to get one set of books back and then we had moved on to 5 months of other submissions. This got confusing so I asked to be reached by email from now on. I know for a fact other board facilitators ask for communication by email. I hear a lot about how I did not communicate here on the boards, but that is what was causing issues for me. So I chose not to use PM's as a business route. Maybe I was unclear. When you solicit business on the boards you have to be prepared to communicate with people on the boards. Even if it's not as efficient, even if it's not working well, you can't let PM's from customers go because they didn't email you or call you. It's great to come up with a system that works for you, but if you run a thread for business here you are going to have to expect that people will be contacting you here and will need to be answered here regardless of your preference. When that doesn't occur this is what happens. That's all. Fair enough. However, is it ok to start out that way now? IE. if I post something here to require communication by email in the future? It might not be a popular way of doing things 'here' but I know that other facilitators who post here don't use board Pm's for some similar reasoning. Or isn't there a way where I can get my Pm's routed to my email that way I have a searchable and sortable set of communications?

Did everyone miss the actual posts I made last night? Cause the content of them seems to be ignored.