porky

going out on a decent score at least. that would've gotten me thru a lot of matchups.

Gonna keep trying until CGC agrees with my grading and I win. Count me in.

kudo kudo. paid quick, no problems.

i dunno about pressing, but i have a book there for resto that's been gone for close to 3 years now.

he was at SDCC a couple of year back.

I hope they make Dr. strange fight evil penguins. Or at least sneak some stuffed toy ones into the background somewhere.

seems to be a side-effect of the heavier cover paper stock. thicker paper, cracks the color more when it's folded at the spine

11 moderns, no fast-track, marked as: Received, 2/21/14 Received & verified, 2/25/14 Scheduled For Grading, 3/18/14 Graded, 3/24/14 Graded/Quality Control, 4/3/14 -slym Mine went from graded/quality control back to just graded. And the wait continues...

Most restoration can be detected reliably by people who have studied restoration. Reliably does not mean 100% as there is a human factor involved. I can sometimes tell if a book is restored from 4 feet away. Sometimes I need a loop to confirm what I think might have been done to a book. Once in awhile I miss something. If you are looking for perfection, then, yes, move along. The only place it exists is Fantasy Land. Many collectors learn from reading the boards, so there is always something to see here...... my tongue was firmly in cheek for the number of people who apparently can't accept missed restoration and human error in this thread and thus get off the cgc criticism and move on from this thread ...not the boards You're missing the point. As has been noted before, many people, especially those who put down large sums of money for comics, have educated themselves in restoration and grading. The problem comes when a potential buyer cannot examine a book for themselves, using their own education (whatever level it may be) to decide if the book is restored or not. In that regard, CGC (and any other grading company worth anything; currently none) HAS to be near-perfect in detecting it, because by encasing it, they've (mostly) removed the ability for the buyer to investigate on his own. It's not about making mistakes. No one that I have seen has ever said "CGC must be perfect, always, period." It's about how you go about fixing those mistakes. And if CGC makes such a mistake, they must be prepared to rigorously confront it and resolve it to the satisfaction of all parties involved, precisely because every buyer must (nearly always) accept CGC's word that a book isn't or is restored. There are literally millions (if not billions) of dollars resting on that reputation. It is, after all, why they've been paid to do what they do for the last 15 years. For all the thousands upon thousands of books that people have paid them to grade, part of that is "mistake insurance." It is the way that CGC addresses these situations that is being criticized, not that the situations exist. They don't have to address it. They cover themselves on the certification notice. And I quote.... "A good faith effort is made to detect restoration, but CGC does not warrant the process or the results." Warrant = Guarantee. if they can 100% detect resto with every eye in the house on one trip through and miss it on at least one (probably two) occasions when they couldn't be bothered to look closely enough, is that *really* a good faith effort?

also, since they got so greedy with the grader notes, it would be a nice consolation prize to give proud owners of a purple label free grader's notes detailing the "restoration detected". i'd feel at least slightly better if they had to tell me, for free, where the invisible CT is on my books that looked fine to me when i sent them in. and since i nearly only SS, it's not like i can crack and look better myself without ruining the SS designation.

so the resto detection you paid for is only triggered "if it looks fishy". nice to know. this is a big sign that says "DO GOOD RESTO, GET BLUE LABEL"

This scares me. It appears CGC is going to be bombarded with resubmitted PLOD's, trying to slip it past them, and then come on here and say 'I told you so'. I hope all of you waste a lot of money and still get the PLOD and a lower grade. CGC, if you are listening, to put a stop to all this nonsense I would start grading tight, tight, tight. Let the resubs take a beating and slow this train down for a while. people have gotten CT and trims for books they bought new. why not? the fact thay they're SS is the only thing stopping me. too easy to track.

buy purples with "good" trimming, crack-resub-$

Right thing to do. Thanks for the update. +1 I agree. CGC is doing the right thing. I am perfectly satisfied with this answer. However, regarding the current owner/submitter of this book, what the heck were you thinking ? I can't understand why you would resub this book in the first place and, miracle of miracles, you get a Blue Label and immediately tell Dan about it. What did you expect ? Also, it seems awfully cowardly to do your talking through Dan and not come on here to discuss. It sure makes it appear as if you are hiding something. No no didn't you read Dan's transmission of his statement, this book was meant for his permanent collection to never ever leave again. That's why he immediately paid a couple hundred bucks for a walk-through submission as soon as he bought the book. Uh huh why "remove it from the market"? because it's been blue, purple, then blue again? taking it away won't change the fact that resto detection is basically a coinflip now. I doubt it's a "coin flip" but it's no secret that it's never been a 100% certainty. I was much more concerned that they didn't catch color touch on the other book than that they missed trimming on the JIM. Theoretically, CT should be a lot easier to ID. you would think. but if they weren't SS, i'd bet $1,000. that if i resubbed my 3 books that i think are questionably touched, at least one would come back blue

Right thing to do. Thanks for the update. +1 I agree. CGC is doing the right thing. I am perfectly satisfied with this answer. However, regarding the current owner/submitter of this book, what the heck were you thinking ? I can't understand why you would resub this book in the first place and, miracle of miracles, you get a Blue Label and immediately tell Dan about it. What did you expect ? Also, it seems awfully cowardly to do your talking through Dan and not come on here to discuss. It sure makes it appear as if you are hiding something. No no didn't you read Dan's transmission of his statement, this book was meant for his permanent collection to never ever leave again. That's why he immediately paid a couple hundred bucks for a walk-through submission as soon as he bought the book. Uh huh why "remove it from the market"? because it's been blue, purple, then blue again? taking it away won't change the fact that resto detection is basically a coinflip now.

Thanks that was a cogent response. Are there cases where trim cannot be detected? well, from the case with this issue: if it's a really good trim, it'll slide by 2 out of 3 times?

The "- CGC misses resto sometimes (see #5 above) It happens." is what I have an issue with. I can live with missing resto. Stuff happens. But when they see resto that isn't there?... Some 'splainin' to do.

Didn't PSA have a monopoly on card grading at one time Dan Doesn't your model work on straight resub no pressing? In other words a CGC mistake? If a new grading pops up they are going to be likely tighter and more consistent. Meaning you'll have to submit to CGC and crack the other company's to make money. Or you'll need to wait a couple years til the new grading company either has cycles of grading or enough on the market you can find the mistakes. How does a competitor help your model? Or would you adjust to a new model altogether with a new company? My "model" is to seek out books that look undergraded in hopes of an upgrade. A bit of a gamble I know, but Im willing to take that gamble. Many people on these Boards including you have benefitted from this. I know that the number in the corner is only an OPINION. Whether a book is trimmed, color touched, pieces added, that should be a FACT. This thread was started about going from Blue to Purple (and now back to Blue), not about a book being graded tight or not. If a new co could detect resto better, it would benefit ALL of us! See my last post on the issue of trimming. If you've ever seen a micro trimmed book in hand I think you'd agree that without before and after scans it's nearly impossible to tell with certainty. You're getting the same opinion on trimming you are on a grade. There's a detection difference between this and the other things you mentioned. Trimming is an opinion the same kind of opinion you seek to exploit. And I don't say that negatively because I do the same thing. I'm simply pointing out that the detection of trimming isn't a fact in the same sense the other things you mentioned. but they were apparently certain with every set of eyes in the place when they made it purple. yet it goes back again and it doesn't set off any alarms?

hadn't seen this thread before. need to dig out my double-stapled-inverted interior supergirl #1 (rusty staples,sadly) and no-staple action comics.

i had a few books graded PGX before realizing my mistake. they were all upgraded by going CGC. just gotta worry about possible undetected resto.

got these for $4 each

similar here. 37, back at it for a few years after taking a +/- 15 year break

Get that junk out of here. You get any crazy offers for that yet? You need to consign it over to one of the big auction houses. quad cover 9.8 hulk 340 went for $1,500 a couple of years back, so i think this one might be around $2,000... gotta edit that- forgot how crazy people get for that extra 0.1 point. they sky's the limit!

Yeah. That happened sometimes. I think I read an explanation on here one time about books with covers missing or somehow ripped off due to malfunctions in the printing process being given new covers, resulting in two sets of staples. I have a supergirl 1 like that, and in addition, the inside of the comic is flipped- they put the cover on the wrong way. It's a really cool book, shame that all the staples are rusty

should be blue either way. not sure if you're get a better grade leaving them or removing them.