BrianR

This may actually be a positive once the dust clears. CGC will likely make changes both behind the scenes and publicly which should provide more certainty/trust in their product which has been lost in a select portion of their consumers. These false 9.8s should be removed from the census lowering the number of 9.8s out there of these keys. some by possibly 3% and 10% if the counts are correct thus making them harder to find stabilizing their value or even slightly causing an increase. CGC QC will improve likely at least for the forseeable future and they may become more strict in their grading cautioning on the more conservative side as there will be increased scrutiny. I am far from a cgc apologist, but this may be a kick in the butt they need to improve.

So is this list just the books that CGC has scans of and can prove easily?

Thing is this is just the books that were sent for reholdering. You have to realize that the whole slabbing resale has been compromised. Every book that has a high price disparity between say a 9.4 and 9.8 is subject to this scam. Why send in for reholdering which is how this guy was caught. Simply crack open the slab slide in the new lower grade copy reseal and sell that. Submit the other book raw later. You can literally have a couple seed copies to get the 9.8 label and a large amount of lesser graded comics to repeat the process over and over as you get the newly slabbed books back. Example look at Star Wars 1 a ton of copies graded out there and the price difference is a pretty large.

Has anyone looked at SA keys that tend to have pinups missing Like FF 5 first Dr. Doom to see if any of those look off?

here is the 4th copy.

yep, I have to dig up a picture of it, but Fer Franco owns it out of Peru

Its on my list. I use your research to help pin down what variants I am missing

Here are two of other four known copies along with two U.S. and and Pence. Yeah I have a problem...

Very Rare book. It's the fourth copy I know of after yrs of searching and talking to collectors from Mexico and other Spanish speaking countries

Just so you don't think I just get Spanish Comics from Mexico. Here is Rawhide Kid 24. or Australian #10 published by Horwitz in July for 1964.(possibly Horwitz can be difficult to date) Love the swapping of the Red for Yellow.

It took me yrs to find the 1st copy. This was a grail book for me. Little did I know a few months later I would find a second copy in Argentina. Where once there were only two known copies there are now three. Very happy to own a second copy. I can now verify that yes it is dated 8/1960 in the indica.

I am going to have to seek out a UK edition of RHK 17 eventually such a killer book

Second Grail acquired. I spent a few years trying to track a copy of this down as well as the Rawhide Kid 17. The La Prensa (Mexican) Two Gun Kid 60 version once again is dated prior to the U.S.. Oct. 1962 as compared to Nov. 1962. Couple minor editorial changes to the face and a glaring omission of the bullet on the U.S. edition. I assume it was removed due to the comic code.

Here are a couple more Kid Colts next to their Mexican counterparts. In these two cases the Indica on the Mexican Editions state April with the US stating May. I was lucky to find two of the 98s.

Another La Prensa. Kid Colt 107. or Flecha Veloz 100. I need to buy a U.S. copy again and a UK. I figured this one existed, but could not verify that it did until I found this copy. Colors are kinda wacky on this one. A issue I run into with the Mexican Editions is that no one cares too much about them in Mexico so there are no detailed listings of what issue is what for these. There is a large void of knowledge which I am working through to at least get info on the Kirby issues and a few others to create a list.

Here is the Wyatt Earp 29 UK edition and the matching Mexican edition. Both lower grade, but happy to own. Still need a better grade U.S. copy again. Took a picture of the idica just to show others what you are referring to.

I reached out and according to my sources in Mexico they were typically 3 months early with the La Prensa's as well. Regardless it be interesting to see how CGC would mark as they use the Indica on the slabs.

yeah thats my copy as well. I typically see the early La prensa the same month in the indica or within a couple months after. This is the first I have seen with a date prior to. I have a UK edition Waytt Earp 29 on the way.

Okay guys, I have found a bunch of Kirby Western La Prensa and will be sharing them on here. This one is interesting. Kid Colt 97. The U.S. UK and Spanish. It has the original unused cover. I have seen La Prensa with the same month in the Indica, But this is the 1st I have found with an earlier date than the U.S.. In the past there has been talk that the earlier issues may have been printed in the U.S. which is unconfirmed. This says Mexico, but who knows. Interesting book to say the least. You can see the copyright on the UK also says 1960. I know U.S. were released earlier than the cover date. I thought it was 3 months not 4. Need to go through more from this time period.

Now that I have issue 17 I figured I would show a small group shot of 17 to 20. It makes it challenging when the issues appear in various western titles.

If you look closely at the building details where the woman was on the US you can make out where the lines stopped at the woman and leg and continued on after the editorial change

I knew about two of the font changes. I need to check which I have. Love to know the story why it was changed 3 times.

Marvel would send out the cover art prior to editorial changes. JIM 83 is the version with more lava men FF1 as more figures, etc.. This cover is likely Kirby's original prior the it being cleaned up

that UK copy is. nice. I am still missing it I received it slabbed. There are a others with the same dates as well. Speaking to another collector specializing in La Prensa for 10+ yrs. for example TTA 27 was released the same month as well. Prior to FF 1 there wasn't a non-compete so this happened often and from FF 1 on there was a several month spread.

Got my Foreign Western grail today. I have been searching a couple yrs for a copy offering bounties to various collectors and resellers to no avail after finding out that it existed in Mexico. I thought I knew of 3 copies including this one, but I found out today this copy exchanged hands an that leaves 2 as the person who sold a copy yrs ago and I thought was copy #3 is the same copy. While I am sure more exist, at this point 2 are known. Both from collectors in Mexico and here in the US. I present Rawhide Kid 17 La Prensa Mexican edition. On a cool note this has the same release month as in the US.