paul747

AMEN!

block me bud! That way you don't have to see my responses to the controlling garbage i read, or button hump like you did last time...

I would say , to speculate, that if comic cron says 10,000 ordered , shipped or whatever and there is a 1:10 variant for that particular comic, I would guess that one case of that variant would be ordered, so its possible that it was a 200 book case (example) making the variant really a 1:5 but only 50 percent of the retailers qualified to purchase the variant (example). After the standard damage percentages and whatever else, the remainder of the variants end up in a marvel sale or a back handed retailer deal. I would also say that with the higher print runs , using math like 1:50 of 50,000 books is a total of a 1000 variant books printed, that math and that number is probably an over estimate. I am sure that not every retailer qualified.My GUESS would be that less than 1000 were ordered. To say that no one knows exactly what is printed is a true statement, but to think for a minute that you cant use common sense and estimate is wacky. Publishers have a system in place to save money and to save associated costs! They use percentage formulas and are dialed in on their methods. I trust that they know what they are doing . I bet some of these estimating methods are closer than people think. If you want to think that marvel is printing 10,000 more books over the reported numbers that's your choice , throw that into you own formula. I am not stating anything other than I have a certain formula I use to put an understanding on estimating print runs. Its all mine and I don't share it with anyone, I do however usually do my homework. Again just estimating and using probability, never pushing anything as FACTS! EVER!. I definitely always try to over estimate to give the benefit of the unknown equations. I will say that sometimes if i am even close on the over estimates, the publisher probably took a bath! So if you want to estimate or speculate feel free. Also ask questions, talk to diamond, talk to industry insiders and gather Intel. In this day and age a lot of retailers actually have experience dealing with artists and printers ask them questions about their orders. People can say and do whatever they want to do , What you listen to or believe is entirely up to you.

proof?

really? where has this been debunked?

I like those also. The link listed is an outdated list. they have a more recent one.

NIce books! but... you need to look into the selling

Definitely a free fall. Ill take a nice UK variant copy.

They lock threads for spelling errors?

RMA has very valid points. It definitely is an educated guess. But its your choice to figure out how to estimate it. Back in the past with statement of ownership, subscriptions, multiple distributors, foreign distribution and newsstands it seems like it definitely is a lot harder to put a solid estimate on the print run. I believe personally that since the times of Diamond as the only distribution and the F.O. cutoff system, it is easier to take an educated guess that includes hear say from industry insiders. I would never personally put a hard number on it . I also definitely know how to discern comic cron numbers. RMA wants to give the correct exact information and i don't believe that will happen. It would be great if he put some of his writing skills and energy into getting some facts from some credible sources. I have zero vendettas!

OMG

You responded to this! this was not about you. the broken record is straight facts !

JohnJacksonMiller-migratio Hobbyist Member 33 posts Joined: March 3, 2009 Report post Posted March 2, 2012 Note as well that the Diamond figure is probably going to be only 80-85% of the overall circulation. The drilldowns for Spider-Man, for example, include another 10,000 or so subscribers and an additional 10,000 or so copies sold on newsstands. This is a reasonable quote. from someone that's in touch with the business. i would bet many print runs are not much over 20 percent of final order cutoff. just a guess sue me !

STOP, you want my number you can say whatever you want bro.

dude stop. You keep saying the same things, you goat people into heated discussions so you can write in circles, hence the broken record and to not get the "shot in the dark" analogy But "they do print off of the final order number"...ok. How? What is their "system"? Got any documentation? DO YOU? would it make any business sense to you to double the final order number? they started the system because they where getting killed on profit. please man ask someone! How do the Comichron numbers...which report only a MONTH BY MONTH sales tally (that is, if they sell more copies on the SECOND month, it's not reported in the sales numbers for the FIRST)...determine what the publisher decided to print...?DID I SAY THEY DID? How do you account for the massive sales MASSIVE as far as titles, but many of the books in these sales are only hundreds of copies ! fact . that the publishers have of unsold copies from time to time,Well i think and have heard that they order a damage percentage and a percentage over the final order cut-off to cover other things and that those numbers also correlate to case pack counts. If they don't use the damage percentage and don't sell them on the diamond system after x amount of time they become surplus over stock.please please prove that's not correct. months after publication, and how do those unsold copies relate to the supposed "print run"... I don't recall stating this? Actually i did not bring up any of this you have! but since you asked i would say that i would definitely consider the extra books as part of the print run And what about the sales of these copies outside of North America, where there is a not-insubstantial market for English language American comics...? Who knows , all i have said is that there is a system and its not guessing! (not a shot in the dark) I think the industry guys will tell you foreign sales are usually a pretty basic percentage of us sales. Have you ever asked anyone any of these questions? do you know? It's a bad argument. Your the only one arguing ! No one but the publishers and their printers know how many copies they print. Citing Comichron's SALES numbers and correlating them to PRINT runs makes as much sense as estimating the number of cars Ford makes in a model year by the number of sales of those cars in North America. Who did that? me? There's nothing wrong with estimating. But we ought to use the correct terminology and caveats to do so. Where is the controversy in that? When you don't, you confuse people who don't know better. THAT'S NOT YOUR CALL! Tell us everything you know bro! Tell us Boss, the right language. Also while you are at your internet typing why don't you contact some people that actually do know some of these things so you can stop speculating on arguments. Honesty writing and arguing points with you is just not worth anything, its such a waste of time. I was also referring to bright something about the shot in the dark comment, when he claimed that MANY MANY more where printed. But of course it became about you.

They do print off of the final order number, they have a system! it is not a shot in the dark system. No one can claim x amount was printed, but It can definitely be speculated on.

I started to notice some action in the FF inhuman books . I then found this https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/marvel-waiting-agents-shield-reboot-inhumans/ Is this legit?

Marvel Premiere 1

She had a huge audience and sold more trades than anyone .

I have a totally different view. I believe that comics will exist but evolve. I think the new way kids and basically everyone will digest new runs and comic book stories will be thru streaming media like Disney plus. I think streaming will end up being runs and multiple stories and crossovers. Like mentioned by October this will be going on for a very long time. Comic book collecting is so much more than the rule of 25 or even enjoying comics as a medium. Comic book semi-keys and Keys are major investments now for many people. People that never even have read a comic book! Whatever medium these characters entertain in, there will always be value in their perspective key origins, especially Marvel characters and Disney. In my opinion there will be dips and climbs but Key comic books are here to stay and will only be more sought after. Movies will not matter! these companies will keep this IP alive forever. I also believe DC will find a forever umbrella like Marvel has with Disney .. If we look at current prices and compare prices even 5 years from now, I think now will look cheap, at least for gold keys , high grade silver keys and high grade bronze keys.

Is It Tales To Astonish 62 or 63?

Dipped in low grade? mostly steady or climbing in high grade.