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Jaydogrules

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  1. Claiming that this movie had "no marketing budget" to excuse its 150M money losing run is prima facia, ridiculous fanboi cope.  This movie is a catastrophic failure, only exceeded by the marvels which was one of the biggest money losing flops not only just for the "mcu" or "Disney" but all of cinema.  Right along with the Flash for the WB.  This movie is "only" as disastrous as black adam was which itself was awful enough to bring down an entire studio and franchise of movies.  

    And Yes Aquaturd had AT LEAST a 100M worldwide  marketing expense, and FYI, "marketing" is more than just billboards and TV spots.  (thumbsu

    -J.

  2. On 10/7/2023 at 5:49 PM, newshane said:

    Just for clarification, I don't have an issue with the nature of this thread. Keeping the focus on public sales is the only fair way to compile such a list. 

    I just had an issue with the following statement: 

    "...that's still more than anything this book has ever sold for in any grade.". 

    That just isn't true. The language was imprecise and sloppy. 

    Should have said, "that's still more than any public sale of this book."

    Also, pay attention to Ryan's definition of "private sale." He was spot on. 

    Someone mentioned tax evasion. That's a widespread problem throughout the hobby, and it's certainly not limited to "private sales." 

     

    This is on the first post on this thread from 7 years ago:  "All closed sales used are public information (meaning I did not count private sales even if I personally knew them to be valid)."

    it's not necessary for people to say they are talking about public sales in every post, that is and has always been what's discussed here.  (thumbsu

    -J.

  3. On 10/2/2023 at 1:42 AM, Bosco685 said:

    And clearly a worldwide box office winner.

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    This cartoon was obviously very profitable for Sony, even if that 100M budget seems dubious at best, but , much like the first cartoon, that international split is soft.  As well as it ended up doing - about 100M more than I thought it would- it "should" have made about another 200M more internationally than it did, based on the typical superhero domestic/international split, or about 890M worldwide (see, for example, GOTG 3).

    -J.

  4. On 10/4/2023 at 9:20 PM, newshane said:

    As a former owner of a 9.8 copy, I have knowledge of multiple private sales and you are severely undervaluing this book. Your statement is flat out wrong. 

    Good for you. 

    I also know of many "private sales" of many books on this list and those have never been counted on this list either.  Why ? Because anybody can claim anything happened "privately". So only public sales are used.  

    -J.

  5. On 10/4/2023 at 7:51 PM, devald said:

     In any event the fact a 9.6 sold for that much is impressive. Can’t wait to see what the 9.8 goes for 

    Yes that's way more than I would expect.  Maybe this sale will suss some more out.  The fact that a 9.0 sold for only 2k less also tells me there is some price compression in grades for this book.  Like I've said before, sometimes a book can be TOO rare. 

    -J.

  6. On 10/4/2023 at 7:35 PM, devald said:

    I think that if a 9.8 were to come to market then it’d have a shot of displacing the dellotto and for sure landing at #2 over the UF4. Though there’s clearly less of these than the asm given how few have transacted publicly.

    There's also much less of an audience for Spawn than ASM or a UF 4.  I'm not convinced a 9.8 copy would sell for more than 40k or even 30k. I agree the rarity works against it , but this list has always been based on actual sales and not hypothetical ones.  

    -J 

  7. On 10/4/2023 at 7:16 PM, devald said:

    Wow. Unbelievable result. Think this makes it a contender to the dell’otto and UF4 djurdjevic

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    That's obviously a strong price but this book would have to beat 40K more than once to displace the 667 or the uf 4 even for the distant #2 spot.  And even though the uf 4 variant has dropped way down to 19k in a 9.8 that's still more than anything this book has ever sold for in any grade.   If I were to update the list now this sale  would get it to #3 based on the original criteria.

    -J.

  8. On 7/12/2023 at 11:35 AM, Lazyboy said:

    Didn't we already cover your misinterpretation of the quantity, starting here?

    Just in case anybody missed it the first time.

    No you didn't.  

    Bleeding cool's "misinterpretation"‐

    https://bleedingcool.com/comics/amazing-spider-man-667-gabrielle-dellotto-variant-sells-for-33600/

    Heritage Auction's "misinterpretation"‐

    https://comics.ha.com/itm/modern-age-1980-present-/superhero/the-amazing-spider-man-667-dell-otto-variant-cover-marvel-2011-cgc-nm-mt-98-white-pages/a/7274-91010.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

    Recalled comcs "misinterpretation"‐

    https://recalledcomics.com/AmazingSpider-Man667DellOtto.php

    Go collects "misinterpretation"‐

    https://blog.gocollect.com/newly-released-mystery-packs-a-chance-to-pull-a-rare-spider-man-variant/

    Isn't 12 years of you whining about this book enough?

    Cope.

    -J.

  9. On 7/12/2023 at 7:28 AM, manetteska said:

    No hard evidence regarding damaged books.

    You said yourself it's a rumor.

    Nothing triggering, just clarifying for others/newbies that some things you state in the form of a fact are not.

    Half the case pack being filled with error/damaged copies is indeed a rumor.  There has, however, been multiple anecdotal accounts from dealers and those who have seen multiple copies over the years supporting it.  Meaning it wasn't just pulled out of thin air.

    -J.

  10. On 7/11/2023 at 7:03 PM, I like pie said:

    It's his only way to deflect. I had the misfortune or running into him on FB. Same broken record there. Spouting made up numbers and denying reality.

    I've always been surprised he's been allowed to remain on these forums with the amount of toxicity he introduces. Not just in this thread.

    A cancer to the boards.

     

    You're more than welcome to ignore this thread.  (thumbsu

    ...or cope.

    .PS: Im not on Facebook. 

    -J.

  11. On 7/10/2023 at 12:27 PM, manetteska said:

    How do you *know* the bolded statements above?

    Not the 200 copies printed rabbit hole as we've been there before, but that "maybee up to half" are damaged or error copies?

    What constitutes an error copy? Is that damage from the factory? Damage (creased spines) from owners?

    The damaged copies is a rumor that's been floated for more than a decade now.  On other boards dealers said they received damaged copies and sent them back for returns but no replacements were sent out they just got a credit on their account.  The damage is almost always streaks on the back cover or a chewed up spine and they were delivered by Diamond that way.  Like I said I've never seen one with ink transfer on interior pages like this one.  

    -J.

  12. On 7/9/2023 at 9:24 PM, justafan said:

    I was initially thinking along the lines of what Geeksaremypeeps said. If they don't check the interior pages very well, how many 9.6s and 9.8s out there could potentially have this defect that was missed. On the other hand, cgc is known to allow common production defects that affected a significant portion of the print run to be allowed in 9.8. I only know of less than a handful of raw copies out there that could be checked. If this was a common defect, some of those may have it. I would hope none of the 9.8 graded copies would have it.

    I suspect if this thread gets any of the graders attention they'll be looking closer for it.

    They definitely flip through every page.  At least, they're supposed to lol.  They count them and look for tears.  You'd have to be blind to not see that.  If it's not a "common" production issue on this book (I've never seen this one before, I've just seen back cover damage on this book), I think it would be a green label.  

    I think....

    Of course the other alternative is that a completist looking to fill a hole.bougjt it and has no intention of ever getting it graded so he doesn't care about the defect.  From the outside it looks like a great copy.  

    -J.

  13. On 7/9/2023 at 6:26 PM, justafan said:

    I was tracking this one. It just went for $7200 and change all action at the last min and 30 seconds. 

    I'm curious what this one will grade out as. The only real defect is the large (production?) ink fade at the top of interior page 2 and 3 that affects the art and some of the story.. Seller had it as a NM- due to the defect. How do you think CGC will treat this one? At the price it went, the buyer thinks it's in the 9.0-9.4 range.

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    That's a production defect. The ink on that dark page hadn't dried yet and transferred to the opposite page.  That's a bummer.  Lots of damaged /error copies of this book out there. Maybee up to half of the 200 copies printed.  Does CGC even factor something like that into the grade though?  Does it get a green label ? CGC will.definitely scrutinize this book, assuming it even gets submitted.  I presume the defect is why it never was in the first place.  I'd probably just put it in a nice full back and leave it raw.

    -J.

  14. On 6/28/2023 at 7:44 PM, justafan said:

    Somebody got a steal. I thought it was very foolish of heritage selling it alongside the cgc 9.8. Historically the cbcs copies will sell for a discount to cgc copies but even if it had been another cgc 9.8 I would still expect it to go for less than the 9.8 that sold before it. I mean, the market for the 9.8 UF4 variant was just represented when the cgc 9.8 copy sold a minute earlier. Now you have that same market minus 1 buyer who was satisfied by the cgc copy so you know that the next copy will sell, at most, for whatever the underbidder was willing to bid. However, the market for cbcs copies is smaller than that of cgc copies so you must also subtract the bidders that only want a uf 4 cgc copy but leave in the ones who are willing to risk buying a cbcs 9.8 copy at a discount and plan to resub to cgc.

    Now I didn't get a close look at the book so maybe it also had some defects or presentation that turned some of the underbidders on the cgc 9.8 copy off from bidding as well. 

    Long story short, the market for the cbcs 9.8 copy immediately after a cgc copy was going to plummet and did so by nearly $10k less.

    By the next heritage signature auction it might be back up to $25k for a cgc copy but I wonder if it would have gone for more if GPA reported cbcs copies. The $18k won't be recorded in GPA, only the $27k sale will. If it was, the new 90-day gpa would put it closer to $23k

    Yeah I thought selling 3 9.8's in one auction was nuts.  Each copy went for less than the last.  The CBCS copy was the last one.  Indeed GPA won't pick it up but go collect will and it will also be a part of heritages archived sales now.  The sale doesn't drop into a black hole.

    -J.