FrankWhite

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  1. FrankWhite

    Books you just cant find in the Wild

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPER-REAL-vs-The-Movie-Industry-issue-1-variant-NM-1st-Dan-Mendoza-ZOMBIE-TRAMP-/222106525013?hash=item33b6949d55:g:xcYAAOSwqrtWpSWD Excuse me "fastballspecial". Why did you send me an eBay link to a book I already have and am not looking for? Did you bother to read my post before replying?? The book I mentioned that I have never physically seen is some sort of "virgin" cover with no price or title. Maybe some type of ashcan? Well thanks for replying. I only ask that the read my comment first. Sooooooo anyway... Anybody with any info on the actual book I'm speaking of? I have the answers you're looking for but between your abrasive attitude and chiding other members for mentioning variants in this thread only to then mention a variant yourself I politely decline. I'm not aware of it being a variant. I am thinking its an ashcan. I actually have no idea that is why I was asking. Obviously you do not have the answer because you send me a link to something else. You wanna be slick with your mouth...OK tuff Tony. Funny sad boy.
  2. FrankWhite

    Books you just cant find in the Wild

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPER-REAL-vs-The-Movie-Industry-issue-1-variant-NM-1st-Dan-Mendoza-ZOMBIE-TRAMP-/222106525013?hash=item33b6949d55:g:xcYAAOSwqrtWpSWD Excuse me "fastballspecial". Why did you send me an eBay link to a book I already have and am not looking for? Did you bother to read my post before replying?? The book I mentioned that I have never physically seen is some sort of "virgin" cover with no price or title. Maybe some type of ashcan? Well thanks for replying. I only ask that the read my comment first. Sooooooo anyway... Anybody with any info on the actual book I'm speaking of?
  3. FrankWhite

    Books you just cant find in the Wild

    Super Real vs. The Movie Industry 1 1st Dan Mendoza work (Zombie Tramp) Never seen this before in wild or internet. I have this issue with the logo and price but this is some kind of "vigin" cover. Anybody have any further information on this book or where/how I can get one?
  4. FrankWhite

    Moderns that are heating up on ebay!

    Only 1 left and it's in a set. http://m.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=Static+45+comic&isNewKw=1&mfs=GOCLK&acimp=0&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1
  5. FrankWhite

    Moderns that are heating up on ebay!

    How is this such a "low print run" book!? It's all over the place!!
  6. FrankWhite

    Moderns that are heating up on ebay!

    Moderns heating up on e-bay I'm confused... Most of these books have only 1 or 2 bids. Explain to me how that's heating up? Thanks It's just a generic search link to the most recent modern sales on e-bay that went for more than 15 bucks for people to scroll through and keep busy while they await new posts. Oh...I did not think of that. Actually a good idea. Yea so on topic...The DC superman stuff is intriguing though I do not know much about it. When things get complicated and reboots run rampant I usually stop reading BUT I can certainly say I will pick up all this superman stuff to read and bring myself back up to speed. Thanks
  7. FrankWhite

    Moderns that are heating up on ebay!

    Moderns heating up on e-bay I'm confused... Most of these books have only 1 or 2 bids. Explain to me how that's heating up? Thanks
  8. FrankWhite

    Moderns that are heating up on ebay!

    it's your opinion that there's misinformation being spread. It's their opinion that there isn't. Did you read the original post about the variant print number?? Obviously not because it was not an opinion. He stated the print run numbers himself and then claimed "no more than 400 copies" if you did the math HIS MATH. 400 was incorrect and a deliberate spread of misinformation. Not an opinion. Maybe you should stick to talking about Lois and Clark and Superman 52. Your very good at that.
  9. FrankWhite

    Moderns that are heating up on ebay!

    Agreed. An opinion and a lie is 2 different things. How you determine a print run I'm assuming is a matter of opinion. Sales reflecting 460+ copies and you state "no more than 400" you are misleading people. A lie is a lie no matter how insignificant not to mention the difference in numbers is very relevant to desirability and value.
  10. FrankWhite

    Moderns that are heating up on ebay!

    Here's the things we know about what goes into the print run of an incentive variant: 1. Distribution ratio. 2. Diamond Sales numbers for the regular issue. Here's a list of things we DON'T know that go into the print number of an incentive variant. 1. How many international issues were ordered. 2. How many orders qualified for how many variants. 3. How many of the qualified orders actually bought the incentive variants. 4. How many reserves are ordered by Diamond (and internationally). 5. What is the rounding to the nearest full case or palette (or other unit) in terms of ordering by Diamond 6. If there are any additional discounts or thresholds to be met either for ordering in general or for this specific issue (if Marvel or DC wants to push it harder). E.G. We're at 900 issues ordered so far, but at 1000 we get a discount or if we order five sets of 1000 comics each they'll toss in an extra 100 each, etc. And what if these specials are just for this month, or this season, like a Christmas bonus or Stan Lee's birthday or whatever, or in promo of a movie. 7. #6 is just Diamond telling Marvel how much they want, what about similar things for international dealers. 8. #6 and #7 are just about how much the distributors are ordering from Marvel. Similar specials, reserves, making full unit orders, freebies, etc. can happen when Marvel orders from the printer, and that doesn't even account for: 9. Marvel ordering more on top of what distributors ordered for: a. Extras for artists, creators, staff (don't underestimate this, this can get into the hundreds pretty easily) b. Special promotions - give out an extra freebie to stores, advertising c. Special events - company picnics, board meetings, charity, etc. d. Extra anticipated re-orders due to expected high sales or popularity, or an estimated low quality of print run (but what if the print run turned out ok?) e. Any other reason they want. E.G. The printers gave us a deal, so we just ordered 1,000 of everything that month that was 1:50 or higher. 10. The printer themselves prints extra reserves based on the Marvel orders, most likely a percentage of total orders. If you had a situation wear the print run turned out exceptionally well, but EVERYONE ordered reserves along the way AND the printer printed EXTRA reserves, that's could already easily be 30-60% higher than the original number ordered by LCS's. Any one of these things may not seem like very much individually as factors, but on a variant where someone THINKS there's between 400-600 or even 1000-2000 out there, when the number printed could quite reasonably possibly be 500-1000+ more than you originally thought, the difference could be huge. And even before considering all these reasonable special factors, we DON'T know numbers about how many were ordered on a 'normal' month. And we don't know how often even those 'normal' months occur, whether 2/3 months are normal, or half, or a third of months. Try this one. On Feb 24, 2008 the Lakers beat the Sonics in Seattle. The Sonics scored 91 points. How many free throws did Kobe take? With that info, how valid is your guess. Yes, you could be right. But...you couldn't know unless you looked it up, or even guess in good faith, unless you wanted to say something useless like between 4 and 30 free throws. With just the date, the opponent, the winner, and the opponents score total, how close would you get if on guessing Kobe's free throw attempts for the next ten games (without ANY additional info)? Note that this is still way easier to guess than variant print run This is what I like to see! This is very eloquently said and states common sense in systematic and step by step way that even a insufficiently_thoughtful_person should be able to get it. Uh, not really. There are at least a dozen more assumptions being made in that convoluted analysis than there are when someone simply estimates based on Comichron's distribution reports (which is also, incidentally, the closest thing to concrete, industry accepted information that we actually have). -J. Sorry buddy but nothing you say holds any validity with me after seeing your very 1st post about the 400 print run on that variant. It was an obvious exaggeration at best. An outright lie at worst. I'm not judging you I'm only going with the facts. Your numbers were intentionally low even if by theory we used your so called "formula". I cannot take any of your posts seriously after that. The thing is? I know you are a very intelligent man. I can tell by the way you write. So I must come to the conclusion that it is not ignorance on your part to be misleading...it is actually intentional. I'm sorry sir but you are very transparent and I cannot hold my tongue. I call it how I see it.
  11. FrankWhite

    Moderns that are heating up on ebay!

    Here's the things we know about what goes into the print run of an incentive variant: 1. Distribution ratio. 2. Diamond Sales numbers for the regular issue. Here's a list of things we DON'T know that go into the print number of an incentive variant. 1. How many international issues were ordered. 2. How many orders qualified for how many variants. 3. How many of the qualified orders actually bought the incentive variants. 4. How many reserves are ordered by Diamond (and internationally). 5. What is the rounding to the nearest full case or palette (or other unit) in terms of ordering by Diamond 6. If there are any additional discounts or thresholds to be met either for ordering in general or for this specific issue (if Marvel or DC wants to push it harder). E.G. We're at 900 issues ordered so far, but at 1000 we get a discount or if we order five sets of 1000 comics each they'll toss in an extra 100 each, etc. And what if these specials are just for this month, or this season, like a Christmas bonus or Stan Lee's birthday or whatever, or in promo of a movie. 7. #6 is just Diamond telling Marvel how much they want, what about similar things for international dealers. 8. #6 and #7 are just about how much the distributors are ordering from Marvel. Similar specials, reserves, making full unit orders, freebies, etc. can happen when Marvel orders from the printer, and that doesn't even account for: 9. Marvel ordering more on top of what distributors ordered for: a. Extras for artists, creators, staff (don't underestimate this, this can get into the hundreds pretty easily) b. Special promotions - give out an extra freebie to stores, advertising c. Special events - company picnics, board meetings, charity, etc. d. Extra anticipated re-orders due to expected high sales or popularity, or an estimated low quality of print run (but what if the print run turned out ok?) e. Any other reason they want. E.G. The printers gave us a deal, so we just ordered 1,000 of everything that month that was 1:50 or higher. 10. The printer themselves prints extra reserves based on the Marvel orders, most likely a percentage of total orders. If you had a situation wear the print run turned out exceptionally well, but EVERYONE ordered reserves along the way AND the printer printed EXTRA reserves, that's could already easily be 30-60% higher than the original number ordered by LCS's. Any one of these things may not seem like very much individually as factors, but on a variant where someone THINKS there's between 400-600 or even 1000-2000 out there, when the number printed could quite reasonably possibly be 500-1000+ more than you originally thought, the difference could be huge. And even before considering all these reasonable special factors, we DON'T know numbers about how many were ordered on a 'normal' month. And we don't know how often even those 'normal' months occur, whether 2/3 months are normal, or half, or a third of months. Try this one. On Feb 24, 2008 the Lakers beat the Sonics in Seattle. The Sonics scored 91 points. How many free throws did Kobe take? With that info, how valid is your guess. Yes, you could be right. But...you couldn't know unless you looked it up, or even guess in good faith, unless you wanted to say something useless like between 4 and 30 free throws. With just the date, the opponent, the winner, and the opponents score total, how close would you get if on guessing Kobe's free throw attempts for the next ten games (without ANY additional info)? Note that this is still way easier to guess than variant print run This is what I like to see! This is very eloquently said and states common sense in systematic and step by step way that even a insufficiently_thoughtful_person should be able to get it.
  12. FrankWhite

    Moderns that are heating up on ebay!

    I dont think your stupid and i am not trying to dismiss you ! Because by ordering the nearest case pack over the needed amount there probably is always a surplus on the variants... We have seen the sales and the store surplus deals. if marvel needed 400 copies for the diamond final order cutoff they would most likely order 3 cases.. 675 copies.. I have definitely been told things like this. This would leave a surplus of 275 copies if no other copies where needed for damage or whatever. I've been told similar. By sources at the publishing level & distribution level. But it falls under the CGC board logic category: Generic "I know things about stuff" boast. I've made obnoxious purchases on rare variants. As have many retailers here. +10000000 thanks LARRY ! you do know ! OK now I'm going to keep it short, simple and to the point. WHEN TALKING ABOUT "LIMITED" VARIANTS WITH LOW NUMBERS... THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 400 COPIES AND 675 COPIES. I mean "Hello McFly" 275 surplus copies??? Ummmm. That's more than half the amount that is originaly being claimed. Now I'm sure everyone is wondering why I'm going over such simple math. Well it seems some do not understand simple math or it's implications on small print runs. Wake up to reality. Stop claiming 400 when you know that's impossible. It makes you an intentional lier. Why put a print run number on it at all? You don't know... I don't know... The customer doesn't know. Cocgobbler #1 1:75 variant is sufficient Cocgobbler? 1:75?? Is the the S.Platt cover???
  13. FrankWhite

    Moderns that are heating up on ebay!

    I dont think your stupid and i am not trying to dismiss you ! Because by ordering the nearest case pack over the needed amount there probably is always a surplus on the variants... We have seen the sales and the store surplus deals. if marvel needed 400 copies for the diamond final order cutoff they would most likely order 3 cases.. 675 copies.. I have definitely been told things like this. This would leave a surplus of 275 copies if no other copies where needed for damage or whatever. I've been told similar. By sources at the publishing level & distribution level. But it falls under the CGC board logic category: Generic "I know things about stuff" boast. I've made obnoxious purchases on rare variants. As have many retailers here. +10000000 thanks LARRY ! you do know ! OK now I'm going to keep it short, simple and to the point. WHEN TALKING ABOUT "LIMITED" VARIANTS WITH LOW NUMBERS... THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 400 COPIES AND 675 COPIES. I mean "Hello McFly" 275 surplus copies??? Ummmm. That's more than half the amount that is originaly being claimed. Now I'm sure everyone is wondering why I'm going over such simple math. Well it seems some do not understand simple math or it's implications on small print runs. Wake up to reality. Stop claiming 400 when you know that's impossible. It makes you an intentional lier.
  14. FrankWhite

    Moderns that are heating up on ebay!

    There's nothing wrong with people making good faith estimates based on the data that we do have. And yes, some people on these boards are privy to more data than others. It's only when the same two or three "print run estimate police" feel the constant need to vomit their repetitive opinions over and over and over again that the conversation goes sideways. -J. Those 3 certain people are correct in pointing out your folly. Maybe if you did not foolishly imply a print run of 400 on that Venom cover? Hmmmmm It's the blatant dishonesty and misinformation that caught my attention. Yea you can try your nonsensical banter about me being a "newb" but that will not validate your purposeful lies. I'm sorry but I'm compelled to call you on your bs because I think you know better. That actually makes you a lier. NOT CALLING NAMES...JUST AN EDUCATED ASSUMPTION USING THE FACTS ON HAND.
  15. FrankWhite

    Books you just cant find in the Wild

    Yes. I'm certain you are correct. I apologize.