valiantman

I saw a recent article that put Bloodshot production cost at $42 million, so I don't think it will take $110 million domestic to be successful. $80 million domestic might be a home run for Sony.

I remember buying at a grocery store (newsstand) and not getting mine from a comic shop, but I don't actually know where that original owner copy is... or if I would have picked up more raw copies anywhere in the 30 years since. The photo of the bagged newsstand matches my memory of the one I bought at the time, but my memory isn't clear on the color of the webs, so I'm assuming my newsstand looks like Michael's with gray webs.

Is the one I found hard to find? I don't think so, but we were talking about CGC's inconsistency on labeling the bagged vs. non-bagged issues. I have a slabbed Spider-man #1 direct edition with gray webs that is slabbed as a regular edition but the comments mention a polybag (that @RockMyAmadeus said was never bagged). I have a direct edition with purple webs that doesn't mention the bag, but it was bagged. Your picture shows a gray web newsstand edition in a bag, so that adds more confusion to the discussion (and probably more hopelessness to CGC's correct identifications).

Less than a month ago, a copy sold for $2,520. Last week a copy sold for $3,200. Are you saying there's a copy available for $3,200 you would like or that it's available for $3,800 (overpriced by maybe $600)?

If this is a current form, then $1,000 in book value would be the 2nd column ($501-$1,000) at the bottom, costing $34 to $74 depending on how many books are being shipped.

Adding to the discussion (from @Michael Browning) there's definitely a gray web, newsstand, bagged Spider-Man #1.

People keep mentioning "Upgrade". That 2018 movie made $16M worldwide. There is no way anyone even saw it, much less that they'll skip Bloodshot because of it. Bloodshot was advertised during the NBA All-Star game, which was 7.3 million viewers, and I think is a pretty good target audience for a PG-13 action Vin Diesel movie. I'm not saying any of this makes a Valiant cinematic universe more likely, but Bloodshot as a stand-alone movie is not nearly as "doomed" as your comments would imply.

Bidders either didn't read the description or didn't bother looking up the word "FACSIMILE" in all caps from the description.

Dealers who sell raw books for reasonable raw prices aren't crooked. Dealers who want full slabbed price for raw books are wanting to get paid for slabbing fees they didn't spend and get full price for books they haven't proven are actually that grade. That's stealing from you twice.

That's essentially a crooked seller. If they're asking exactly what the slabbed value would be, then not only are they keeping the slabbing costs for themselves, they don't even have to prove the grade is accurate or let you do the same when you try to sell it later. Assume a dealer has a raw book they bought for $10. Selling as a raw book = $50, (they bought it for $10, so their profit is $40)... and you need to resell it raw someday for $50 to break even. Selling a slabbed copy = $100 ($10 plus $35 slabbing/shipping costs, so their profit is $55)... and you will need to resell a CGC slabbed copy for $100 to break even. Selling a raw book as the slabbed price, their profit is $90... and you will need to resell a $50 raw book for $100 to break even -or- you'll have to pay the $35 slabbing/shipping costs and resell a $100 slabbed book for $135 to break even. (This kind of seller probably has a handful of reasons he can claim he's not a crook, but he also has $50 extra dollars from your wallet in his hand, so he's still a crook.)

Yeah I was assuming they were completed auction prices You'd be surprised how many people still think an unsold Ebay asking price has anything to do with "market value".

Good point. I've noticed at my local comic shop that they have suddenly turned into professional graders. So they are selling raw books at the same value as a slabbed book would be in that grade. So i guess you pay to have your books slabbed and the only loser who comes out at the end of it is the buyer as CGC makes money, the shop makes money and the buyer loses out the price of the slab. Well, the buyer always has the option of buying a raw copy at any price they can find... but the condition won't be guaranteed for the next person who might own it. A reputable dealer can sell to you with their grade on it, but when you sell it, are you also a reputable dealer? If it was me, I'd be buying from a reputable dealer and then selling I would just be "some guy trying to sell a book" and I'd be losing out even without any slab involved. If the buyer of a raw book never wants to sell, then there's no reason to deal with slabs at all. With only 5,000,000 CGC slabs, there are billions of raw books still available. CGC adds confidence for the buyer that the grade is probably accurate. If you're the buyer and you don't need that confidence in the condition, then don't buy CGC. If you're the seller and you think the next buyer doesn't want any confidence in the condition, then you might be fooling yourself if the book has any significant value to it. No one cares if it's a $2 book, but if it's $200 or $2,000, CGC might make your buyer more willing to pay $200 or $2,000 than "I-graded-it-myself-so-hand-over-the-Benjamins" ever would.

Be sure to skip any asking prices that aren't sales. Asking $1,000 for a $200 book is allowed, but it isn't accurate for the market and it doesn't belong in any averages.

Agreed. It's not exactly a license to print money if CGC isn't also the one spending that extra money. CGC charges the same price whatever the grade is, so the differences of thousands of dollars for a 9.6 or a 9.8 would be important for the seller but CGC is the grader who got $X to grade the book regardless of the grade. CGC is a bit like a teacher who grades papers, it's just a salary not a commission on every A+ student. PGX (the other grading company) was documented to allow people access to their slabbing equipment and they put their own grades (or ignored restoration) on books they later sold. That's printing money. It's one of the reasons PGX isn't trusted by those who know the history.

Since it sounds like you're the buyer (as opposed to the many comic owners who want to be comic sellers who ask the same questions), you've already done the first step... research what prices are actually selling. Asking price (without a sale) is a useless number, but it seems to be the favorite for most confused people ("It's selling for $1,000 on Ebay!") when it's actually sitting unsold for $1,000 on Ebay (or Mycomicshop or wherever it is unsold) and it may normally sell for closer to $200, but that's not as exciting to say if you're the seller. As the buyer, you would only care about the $200 sales and the $1,000 asking price can just sit there. If you're not talking about CGC slabbed books, then the differences in price are going to be related to the "trustworthiness" of the seller who wants to sell a Silver Age comic unslabbed. Does a buyer believe they're getting the actual grade described, or is there reason to believe that the seller might be overstating their grades (and not sending them to CGC) to increase their profits? If the books are CGC graded and in the same condition and look very similar, then it just comes down to the mixture of people who saw the sale. In the case of a nicely-priced book for sale (not an auction), the book might have sold quickly to the first person. We don't know the actual market value because the seller might have underpriced themselves with a Buy-It-Now price instead of letting bidders compete with each other, but the seller set that selling price, and no one is really to blame but themselves. If all that was too long to read, then the difference for you, as a buyer, would be patience.