RockMyAmadeus

Cool. I don't think I ever caught that. Thanks B.

Your opinion is noted.

Ok. Mixed plates, assembly, whatever it was, the point was that to be legitimate, it had to have happened during the printing process...not after.

So, does anyone know the story behind the addition of "Uncanny" in the title of the X-Men, starting with issue #114 on the cover, and codified in the indicia in #142? Is it mentioned in a lettercol somewhere that I missed? As far as I can tell, this was the first time an adjective was added to a title that was then incorporated into the official title of the book. For example....Iron Man was "The Invincible Iron Man" on the cover from #1 until (I believe) #127, but "Invincible" was never part of the indicia. Anyone with any info on this...?

Absolutely, but CGC is composed of people who can make mistakes, too. The only thing that would separate legitimate from illegitimate is where it happened. If it happened at World Color, as a result of mixed plates...it's legit. If it happened anytime after that, it's not. The difficulty is in proving it. Because it's so difficult to prove, and so easy to fake, I wouldn't place any premium on it. As others have said, in the normal course of things, such a book wouldn't even be possible, so it's interesting that it exists, especially so late in Marvel's Canadian price version days (the program would be over by DD #234.) The MJs were for distribution to US servicemen. The CPVs were for distribution to the Canadian newsstand. In the normal course of things...and why we don't see more of such hybrids...these shouldn't exist. For the record...Dan (FlyingDonut) knows as much about these types of variants as anyone I know, so if he's convinced that these are legit, that's good enough for me. He and Al Stoltz (Basement Comics) are more than experts in these fields.

Yes, the one Lazyboy provided earlier.

Absolutely, but CGC is composed of people who can make mistakes, too. The only thing that would separate legitimate from illegitimate is where it happened. If it happened at World Color, as a result of mixed plates...it's legit. If it happened anytime after that, it's not. The difficulty is in proving it. Because it's so difficult to prove, and so easy to fake, I wouldn't place any premium on it. As others have said, in the normal course of things, such a book wouldn't even be possible, so it's interesting that it exists, especially so late in Marvel's Canadian price version days (the program would be over by DD #234.) The MJs were for distribution to US servicemen. The CPVs were for distribution to the Canadian newsstand. In the normal course of things...and why we don't see more of such hybrids...these shouldn't exist.

That is not an accurate summation of the events in question. The "price guide blog", run by a Mr. Benjamin Nobel, contains multiple errors and false claims which, heretofore, Mr. Nobel has been entirely unwilling to address, When he was politely challenged on his blog, rather than respond, he simply blocked those challenging him from being able to post there. Those are not the actions of a person interested in getting at the truth. Those are the actions of someone with an agenda. When that was pointed out on THIS board, where Mr. Nobel had a single post from 2011, and was therefore not a member, a member by the user name of "The_Investor", who is, apparently, the "Angelo" person mentioned as a co-contributor on the "Canadian Price Variant" price guide, notified Mr. Nobel about what was being said, and the both of them (and perhaps others) decided to call CGC and complain that they were being "cyber bullied"...and, those at CGC took them at their word, and suspended me for three weeks, despite the fact that there was no "cyber bullying" of any kind going on, and Mr. Nobel was free to post the things that he posted, including his ridiculous "offer", that Lazyboy linked above. It's rather difficult to "run someone off" when you can't post, wouldn't you agree...? The "price guide" is now "voldemort around here" because in the year and a half since this disgraceful event, Mr; Nobel has made absolutely zero effort to fix the multiple errors and false claims on his website, which renders it another of a series of "hype" sites with an agenda to push. When and if Mr. Nobel decides to take these issues seriously, I have no doubt he would be welcomed with open arms by the members of this community. Thank you for the opportunity to correct the record.

I did. Still don't buy it, but if others do, more power to them.

One of the blacker, more disgusting stains on the record of those involved. It was shameful all around, and a gross abuse of power. Apologies are necessary, but of course I'm not holding my breath.

Very much agreed.

Overuse of the word "literally" to refer to that which is not literal is epidemic. Grandstanding...rather than sober, critical analysis...is asserting things like "trying to ram down people's throats", which is what people say when they are challenged, but don't have a rational response...after all...aren't they "trying to ram" their opposing view "down people's throats", too...? Absolutely. And yes, saying "it's all lies then" in response to a specific charge is engaging in hyperbole, as is suggesting that Marvel's PR person(s) is the same thing as the entire company. For those interested, Jaydogrules' response here is an excellent example of the overwrought, melodramatic faux outrage that works well on a typical telenovella, but not so much here. When you don't have a rational response...act outraged. You'll fool a lot of people.

It's all lies then, Got it. Hyperbole to deflect from the point. As has been demonstrated multiple times...even in that instance...Marvel PR was lying...or didn't know, and spoke anyway, which is the same thing...when they said that. Nope. Just interested in getting to the truth.

It was a PR lie then, it's a PR lie now.

Depends. 99% of the time, I ignore, but as you can see, he jumped right into this latest fray unsolicited, derogatory comments and all, which had a clear negative influence on Nico (as these comments are designed to do.) It's important that misinformation is challenged, or it gets repeated over and over again, and everyone believes it. Great example: how many people still think Secret Wars #8 is the first appearance of the black costume? Or, how many people looked for the "advance copy" of Harbinger #0? Or, how many people think Jon McClure "discovered" the 30 and 35 cent Marvel price variants in 1998, despite them appearing, to one extent or the other, in the OPG since about 1979? The point, as I mentioned earlier, isn't to "be right" and make others "be wrong." That's just the accusation of the offended, who either can't handle being challenged, or are pushing an agenda, so they devolve the discussion into the personal, to pivot away from the point...which, while surely entertaining for some, has no place here or anywhere, really. Whenever and wherever you see someone say "prove you've admitted where you were wrong!"...you know that person is offended and pushing an agenda, and not after the truth. The point is to have everyone be correct, so that people can make wise, judicious, and informed decisions about what they buy and collect. I don't want Jaydogrules...or anyone...marginalized. I would much prefer he join the community of collectors who know what they're talking about, and are honest about where they're coming from.