Joshua33

I believe you just did.

Gorgeous books my man. Absolute beauties.

Agreed, nice work Rick.

@Casablanca gorgeous Baker man. Congrats!!!

Great books. Some really nice stuff here.

Not trying to compare the books at all. Not trying to ascribe a higher price to Superman 4 either. I'm just interested in the historical accuracy of the Action 23 newsstand date vs the Superman 4 newsstand date. I feel that CGC and Overstreet should make some sort of notation for Supes 4. Don't care if it changes the "value" at all.

As far as I know, that would be incorrect. Many people make the assumption that Lex is the bald guy on the cover. A few years back, a guy that's a Superman aficionado explained the cover to me (he owns full runs of both Action and Superman including first issues). I thought it was Lex as well. He also explained the significance of Superman 4 as a book. Superman 4 is the first Superman book with ALL brand new Superman stories. #1 and #2 both were strip reprints and 3 was partial reprints and partial new stories.

Right. My point was not to agree with you on the accuracy of DCs website. There is already SOLID PROOF that they are inaccurate. If they have the correct dates, explain to me why the pictures on page 12 of this thread literally prove the books dropped on the 15th and 22nd? Did you miss those? Too much evidence flying in the face of your twisted logic. We get it buddy. You own an Action 23. It has been and always will be more valuable to collectors than Superman 4, but it still hit newsstands a week later. -Don Quixote

I dont think so. Early Luthor panels showed him rocking identifiably ginger hair.

Such a beautiful copy. Happy to help!!!

Great cover. Nice snag William.

Always found this book to be extremely underrated. Bare breasted designations dont grow on trees.

Nothing goes up forever. Comics have been an outstanding "investment" if you bought the right books, for the last 10 years. 3 things really come to mind to contemplate... 1. As collectors, it is hard to ignore the direct correlation in current values to the movie industry success. Major corporations have made massive investments into the future health of this genre of films, and people will continue to collect characters in the films until we reach superhero fatigue as a consumer base. In my opinion, that will drive down the price of "movie based keys" substantially for a time. The flipside of that coin is the children. There is a massive amount of kids growing up in a superhero immersed childhood. These children will become investors and collectors of comics in the next 10 years, and beyond. This occurence will undoubtedly lift values again out of demand. So, though the market may fall, it will surely always get back on its feet from time to time. 2. The way I have purchased my comics (this time around), was buying out estate sales and collections. I would sell a bunch of books I didnt have to hold onto, and use the profits to buy books i desired, essentially making my collection nearly free to me. This is not the way the majority of books are being purchased. I have literally heard of many people taking out loans, mortgages and accumulating credit cards just to "invest" in comics. I would say, for me personally, I cringe when I hear that kind of stuff. I would never advocate stretching your financial limits for a comic book. Disposable income, great... flipping profits, sure... a mortgage, are you nuts!!!? 3. Golden Age seems to be the best place to be for the reasons attached to movie fatigue and others. Hulk 181 at over 10000 graded copies, continues to experience enough demand in order to keep pricing high. I'm sure that demand will suffer after a time, and that many people whom have invested in that book will be forced to sell for a loss. You will rarely see that with Golden Age. Most Golden Age books do not require the kind of demand that a Hulk 181 does. Most of the desirable copies of GA in any subgenres only have 15 to 100 graded copies available. In addition, more of the deep pocket collectors favor these books, thus making them safer "investments" in my opinion. If books take a hit, most of these books will just be buried, as most GA collectors will not have to dump their copies. Furthermore, I think the only reason anybody has an opportunity to buy most of these books is because of their current price point. Better sales bring copies to market that normally wouldn't have been available. These are strictly opinions. Hope you find them helpful.

Heres further proof for old Jay Dog too. Just found this on DCs direct website He was right, they didnt release on the granted date... they released in late March!!!

It's you with the failed argument. Not arguing the first appearance. Clearly stated and agreed that Action 23 was intended to be the first appearance. I also stated copyright GRANTED, not APPLIED FOR, which is where the numbers are assigned, by application date, not granted date. The proof is right there in the books published by DC. If you want to ignore it and cry like a petulant child, continue to do so, by all means. The market has spoken for Action 23, so do the interior pages. That still won't change the FACT that Superman 4 hit newsstands a week before Action 23. Math is really simple... 15th was BEFORE the 22nd.