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Very spooktacular.

I would be surprised to see ot go more then the high '80;s, low '90's. Bu then again, I am the guy who thought the GL 76 would top out at around 300K.

1. Cap #68 cover - $66,000 2. DD 165 splash - $27,000 3. Swamp Thing #6 cover - $54,500 4. ROTJ cvr by Sinkw - $25,000 5. C, Ware story - $23,500 6. Spidey #259 cover - $20,500 7.Mike Zeck Puns. cover - $18,000 8. Defenders 4 cover - $21,500 9. JLA #1 page - $14, 500 10. Preacher Dillon page - $2,900 Includes BP.

No cut off is the best way to go.

B&B 79, because it started a new look for Batman. Also, the coloring does not bother me much either in the reprints.

Good advice. Good OP idea,

The lower middle panel of the Cap page looks like a typical Spider-man pose.

Good thread. Happy Birthday JR ! Many more and blessings to you.

I think 1970-75 was among the most fertile creative periods at Marvel. Tons of great storylines (e.g., The Kree-Skrull War, cosmic Starlin, Death of Gwen Stacy/Green Goblin, Red Nails, etc.) and new characters (Wolverine, new X-Men, Werewolf by Night, Conan, Red Sonja, Punisher, Blade, Moon Knight, Shang-Chi, Dracula, etc.) were introduced during this period, while many talented creators (Starlin, Gerber, Englehart, etc.) joined the Bullpen during these years. When people here say that the '70s sucked for comics, I have to believe they mean primarily 1976-1979, because 1970-75 rocked! And not just at Marvel - Batman was revitalized and recovered from the hangover from the campy TV show over at DC, GL/GA ushered in a new realism, Warren was in its prime and comic magazines across the various publishers were never bigger or better... I'd rank my personal favorite 5-year periods in comics (across all publishers) since the release of FF #1 in this order (note that I am not really a fan of the early Silver Age or the Golden Age outside of the EC titles - I respect it tremendously, but it's not my bag when it comes to reading comics): 1. 1981-1985 2. 1971-1975 3. 1986-1990 4. 1966-1970 5. 2001-2005 6. 2011-2016 7. 1976-1980 8. 1961-1965 9. 1996-2000 10.1991-1995 I know this is personal favorite list, but 1976 to 1980 (probably the worst 5 year creative period ever - except for the X-Men, the short Eng.- Rogers Detective run, HTD, and Cerebus, it was a wasteland ) beats out 1961 to 1965 ?? Anyway, my personal favorites: 1. 1965 to 1969 2. 1970 to 1974 3. 1960 to 1964 4. 1985 to 1989 5. 1950 to 1954 6. 1940 to 1944 7. 1980 to 1984 8. 1935 to 1939 9. 1955 to 1959 10.1976 to 1980

The last word of your post summed it up as good as one can. Excellent observation. It's soulless

Dealers, auction houses, and collectors. I bet Heritage with all their neatly stored and disseminated information base has a better idea then any one of us has as to what the future of the hobby may look like. Maybe the Metro guys too. And others of course. I have not been around much lately so I really have no accurate idea. Is there any one person, or a group out there who can compare notes and come up with fairly accurate population numbers, age demographics, financial wealth and collecting habits information as to what the OA hobby currently looks like? Rather then just focusing the equation solely on longer term established older collectors who may be liquidating in the next 15 years, we'd get a much better idea of who may be coming up to replace them. And a more pinpoint prediction of how this may play out. Although after saying all that, it does seem as if Genes forecast is more true then not.

If I wanted a OA page for a modern comic that was digital, I would see if I could get the artist to draw and ink it for me on traditional art board. And I would ask him to please put the title, issue number and page number, and date he drew the page for me along with his signature on the back. At the rate I read digital comics, that may never happen, not even once. Value wise, I think about 99.5 % of modern art will never have much relative worth. I think you have only a slightly worse chance of getting rich with the lottery then with buying modern art. Miller said some years back, (I think it was in 1994?) that the current comics were retro with a nose ring. Then most modern OA is retread with a cane. As far as the better stuff, the prime A/A+ GA/SA/BA art, and the collectors that own it, I have a question. Collectors now that are in their mid 40's or older. Quite a few are going to liquidate in the next 10, 15 years. Lets say, just throwing out an arbitrary year, that in 2027 your getting ready to sell. In the previous 10 years there has been a steady stream of Ethan Roberts (RIP) like collections coming to market every auction. Either because of death or cash out. You have seen prices on a lot of stuff soften and even crash in some cases. But maybe about 25% to 50% of your collection has not only held value but has increased. Some pieces have increased a lot. Some not what you expected. The other 50% to 75% has lost value. In some cases a great deal. Also, you have witnessed a slowing down in the last year of two of increases in value of even the better OA stuff. Maybe because of all the great OA coming to market the last 10 years. Maybe also because of the economy. And still maybe because there are less collectors out there buying the stuff. And who is left has purchased a lot of OA that's been available the last 10 years. So what do you do? Hold on longer? Give instructions to your kids what to do after you die? Sell at whatever the market will bear? Donate the better stuff to a Museum, get a tax credit. Decide that if you can't sell it at a stunning profit, you'd rather just crayola it in, frame it and hang it up, it'll stay there on wall til the day you die?

I am with you Gene on the high end B+/A/ A+ material. Historic and note worthy art is going to escalate. I think that market will be less dependent on us rapid core of OA lover and collectors. Your going to have investors and out of hobby coming into that segment in increasing numbers. So yeah, I would be very surprised if it did not continually increase in value, soaring to many multiples of today's (in my mind)somewhat crazy numbers. That leaves what, about another 95% of the market that may see steady decreases in prices as time goes on? We already know that about, (name your figure; mine is around 95), of everything produced in entertainment is mediocre and worse. Then we are looking at a decline of value of the majority of OA out there in the future. Maybe that's a good thing. The prices I see at auctions for some mid to late 70's, early 80's Marvel stuff, by 2nd and 3rd tier artists just don't seem sustainable to me. But I am probably the last guy to pay attention to. Almost 10 years ago I though the press and grade game and resub resub resub, etc., would be the ruination of many a comic book value. I said back then by 2013 or so we'll see it's impact. We obviously never did. I still think it is insane to pay tens of thousands and even hundreds of thousands more for a .2 uptick in a grade, especially for pressed altered books. But I could not have been more wrong. For now at least. Maybe for ever.

...is modern OA going to be as widely collected in the future as BA and SA is now? Most people over about 35 were limited in what they could be exposed to. The internet, as we know it today , did not really arrive until around 1996 or so. So anyone in the 35 and above age group were limited as kids as to what was available. It was not much different since the early '50's when young boys and girls were introduced to TV, until just about the end of the century. We had TV, radio, movies, magazines, books, and comics. Board games, outside play (do kids do that anymore?) professional sports. You get the idea. Now video games, the internet - computers, inter active stuff here or soon on its way. Cell phones. Netflix. Cable with 300 channels. The options are stunning. So with all the scattering of kids and young adults attention, what does that mean for the hobby 15, 20 years out? I don't know. Not sure. After all, the mania surrounding super hero movies seems to have catapulted them to increased popularity. Will that offset it?

I think your claim that Heritage is "shaking down" its clients and customers is a bit unfair. You're inferring that they are somehow in cahoots with the Kirby family. I think it's clear that the last thing an auction house would want is to have a major segment of a market closed off to them or limit it in any way. This is relatively new ground being covered here and they appear to be taking a prudent approach of working with the family and their clients and waiting to see how things turn out. Maybe it will pattern into the new norm. With the way society is generally heading I would bot be surprised, even if I think it is unjust and can't see it gaining any serious traction in the long term.