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On 8/26/2023 at 3:24 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

@BuraddoRun

Not quite as high dollar as you but.

 

 

Incredible find for that Superboy, congrats!

Yup, as others said, not worth grading. This could knock the book down to a 9.2

Count me in

On 4/5/2024 at 10:43 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

Very interesting video, after such a long wait I can see the excitement. I remember your last video years ago, glad you took the time because this one seemed a long time coming. Glad for your purchases as I've often told people this is what my dad born in 1940 remembers, and I got him a modern Shazam to read from 1976 or whatever. I've often seen the 40's editions at stores, but he hasn't got the bug yet 😂 

Glad that you afforded shipping finally, and it's understandable about cgc, worse case scenario ship them back to heritage.

For now I'm sure you're glad to have them, most looked in sturdy shape for a read if there aren't reprints somewhere, but I'm sure you've thought that through already

Anyway thanks for taking the time to do the video!

 

Yup it was a really long time coming. And all these years I had no clue if that Captain Marvel Adventures 25 looked good or not. But it turned out to be the best looking of the bunch so I am overjoyed. Thank you so much for you comment and thanks to all the wonderful people here for letting me share my love and passion with you.

Here’s one for this thread, Detective Comics 135, Canadian Edition. OSPG is 171 in GD for the less rare standard edition.

only 3 in census

On 3/27/2024 at 4:32 PM, DELTA 62 said:

CGC approved witnesses are paid for by CGC.  So, if you want to call that as people who work for CGC, that argument could be made.  

I’d call it outsourcing

On 3/27/2024 at 1:45 PM, DocGo said:

I completely disagree with this. A little note on the label that says “authenticated” against a yellow background isn’t nearly enough and will create confusion. If only an “authenticated” signature exists on a book, the entire label should be a different color. The SS service needs to be distinct.

While I get you not wanting that, I think this is what's gonna happen. CGC isn't spending all this money on an acquisition to make as little as possible from it. The way they get the most business from this is to create a service people will want to purchase and what people would want most is for their non witnessed sig books to be as marketable as a witnessed sig book. 

On 3/27/2024 at 1:01 PM, NewWorldOrder said:

However JSA verified yellow labels will still do way better  at auction than their old CGC Green Qualified labels (once people resubmit them) and will command higher prices than the verified labels from Voldemort.

 

They will at least remove the stigma green labels had. Like I don't know if a JSA yellow label would command more than a universal label, but it wouldn't command less (I'm assuming that's the case with green labels these days, with ASM 300 for instance).

On 3/27/2024 at 11:53 AM, DELTA 62 said:

And if I recall correctly, Kevin Eastman has people on his staff that are CGC approved facilitator and witnesses.

ok that makes sense. So half of what's necessary for a witnessed sig could have come from Kevin's team while the other half came from the shop owner I dealt with. I mean, neither are people who work for CGC, which was my main point. But I guess that doesn't matter since what's necessary is the approval from CGC, not their direct presence.

On 3/26/2024 at 4:16 PM, inthehottub said:

A signature series witness is not just anyone who applies for the job.  A signature series witness does not have carte Blanche and is in some ways supervised by CGC. 

There is a big difference between the two services.  A witnessed book a CGC witness watched them sign the book. The verified book someone says the think it is real.

I know for a fact that this sig below wasnt supervised by CGC. Eastman appeared at a local show which had 0 CGC presence. A local comic store owner applied to be a witness and got approved and had Eastman to sign a bunch privately, away from the crowd.
While there is 0 incentive to forge Eastman’s sig when he’s right there, all I can do is take their word for it. Could be that they missed or forgot a book and thus forged a sig among the others sent to CGC.

unlikely, but there’s no proof one way or another. CGC wasnt there, CGC didnt witness anything, they didn't supervise jack. They are simply taking the word of someone who is bringing in more business for them. And that gives me this nice yellow label book that makes it look like an official CGC witnessed sig.

As we saw with the recent scandal, this whole CGC thing is merely trust based, and there could always be people abusing that system.
 

On 3/26/2024 at 9:07 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

 

It is being discussed here as well, since you asked.

I enjoy all the discussions and it is worthy here in the signature forum as well! I sold all of my raw sigs, well most at least. Quite recently I sold a raw Jeremy Bulloch Boba fett signed comic, found it for $3. Idk if I'm missing out, not my genre so much, but to say this may now affect my further dollar bin dives, is a understatement that I'm not sure how to handle

 

Aw thanks man! And I’m glad to see you join in on the discussion. What I find so fascinating here are all the balls of yarn this unravels. Like, I may not send my stan lee and jim starlin sigs in, but at least those books wont suffer from a stigma and can retain their value.

plus, it means we will get some slabbed kirby sigs on the market in non green holders

On 3/26/2024 at 5:20 PM, IceHole said:

What does this do to autograph pricing from comic creators at conventions?  Most if not all already charge a premium for witnessed sigs.  Most I've been to will do free unwitnessed signatures...and I would expect that if jsa book find a premium price, free sigs will go away.

Authenticating aint free, and may cost more than a witnessed sig. so it brings you back to the same situation we currently have where you pay the artist only for a witnessed sig.

On 3/25/2024 at 4:07 PM, Neo "The One" said:

Gold would be nice.

already the label for pedigree books

my bet is this will also be yellow but the notation on the label will tell you if it has been witnessed or authenticated 

On 3/26/2024 at 8:57 PM, comicginger1789 said:

True. I could care less either way I think. If they amalgamate them in with other yellow labels, that is fine. I assume any truly witnessed signatures will still carry the note on the label (stating the date the signature was witnessed) and any non-witness signature books would not. An easy way to distinguish the two. I would also be cool with a new colour label. Something about a sultry red tickles my fancy but that may be because I have red hair.

Thats an excellent point, the note on the label would be enough to distinguish one from the other .

On 3/26/2024 at 8:27 PM, Darthvader23 said:

oh yeah, i have 1000 comics with STAN LEE signatures on all of them( all of a sudden ). I swear they're legit, i was there when i signed , opps,  I mean -  i was there when stan signed my comics. I like how CGC back themselves with they're signature series, by having someone from CGC witness the signatures. Now, fake signatures is one of the biggest scams on the planet. You only have to watch 'pawn stars' to see how they authenticate signatures. Firstly, they look with a magnifying lens app on they're phone, to see if it's live ink.............Well, wouldn't all signatures have live ink, unless they're a stamp signature. And then, they try and match up the signature to a known signature. Thats it...........boom, you have been authenticated. What a farse. I also have Abrahim Lincoln's signature on this old bit of paper that my great grandfather was there for.( joke )........ I feel, they should keep the yellow header from CGC witnessed signatures, and have a pink header for ones for being non-witnessed. But in saying that, there are some comics in existence, that were known to been released with signatures, you only have to look at spawn #350 THANK YOU COVER- with T.M signature.....oh, and I wasnt joking about my 1000 stan lee signatures......LOL

Ha! But you know, the running ink test was what told them that Lincoln sig was a photocopy of a forgery 

On 3/26/2024 at 1:55 PM, seanfingh said:

This is perfectly stated. Since the authentication horse appears to have left the barn, the main issue remaining is upholding the strength of the Yellow label and providing some sort of delineation  or difference.  They probably will incorporate Yellow to give the authenticated books the benefit of the Yellow label's goodwill, but I hope there is an orange or other color stripe for authenticated books.

Question though: what is the difference?

Both are confirmed real signatures. Also, a CGC witness can literally be anyone who applies for the role. They then have carte blanche and are not supervised by CGC.

The colour of the label already doesnt distinguish between a book that is part of a CGC sig event where its officially a CGC rep that witnesses it and a sig witnessed by joe schmo at a con. Both mean that CGC sees the sig as being legit. So if the goal of authentification is the same, legitimizing s signature, then why should the label be any different?

On 3/26/2024 at 11:47 AM, DougC said:

Just for reference; JSA has been authenticating signatures on comics for years. The only difference is they will now be slabbed by CGC as such.

I am excited and all for it, my main interest is a number of independent (and 90s) books that were only made with signatures where no Universal label was possible.

I’m also assuming from what is written that it will be a streamlined process. So you could send your comics to CGC and ask that the unwitnessed signature be verified before slabbing.

curious to see what the label will look like

If this topic is discussed elsewhere, please let me know.

This news will be quite the game changer for me. A thing I loved to do was get books signed at conventions. However, I had not realized that I was potentially messing with the valuation of my books and while I had great experiences meeting Stan Lee, Jim Starlin, Joe Kubert, Andy Kubert and Glenn Fabry, the books they signed (including some keys) couldn't be valued appropriately in my collection, at least from my perspective. And now it looks like we'll get yellow labels on our signed books that were not witnessed (for an extra fee of course). 

Don't know if anyone else is as excited as me for this prospect.

I also now realize it will add a whole new level of speculation to selling raw books. Where not only is there potential to have a higher grade/value with a press, but also not only make un witnessed signatures no longer detrimental to a sale, but also potentially adding value.

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The acquisition of JSA is CCG’s answer to the countless collectors and dealers who have asked to have their autographed collectibles authenticated and then graded and encapsulated. Although CCG pioneered witnessed authentication of autographs through its popular CGC Signature Series service, it has never offered full authentication and grading services for collectibles with unwitnessed autographs.

I just wrote in my will that whatever is not wanted by my kids in my collection to be sent to Heritage Auctions.

On 3/25/2024 at 9:00 AM, awakeintheashes said:

Yeah, I think the cover is what is carrying it. That cover started selling well out of the gate, IIRC. 

Yes, the book got a second print right away.

On 3/24/2024 at 9:49 PM, awakeintheashes said:

The foil cover or the regular? I know a lot of people were really into where that arc was going, but it seemed to end with a dud. With that said, the foil cover still looks to be selling well. 

All of Chip’s storylines so far end with a dud, its really too bad. Is the foil cover selling well simply because its a foil cover? 

What’s up with Batman 142? I read it, I dont see how this is a key.

Here’s what I fished out of dollar bins yesterday

I didnt know that green lantern cover existed