geraldfordfan69

i typed in my tracking number from my older order that is in processing and got a different message "Your package has been received. We will work on it next year unless you give us more money. Haha get wrecked noob you thought we were better than PSA. Our wait times are longer than BGS and we are gunna give you all 8s instead of 10s. Sucks to suck."

thank god i only have 3 orders left with this company. all their decisions seem half baked. the time they spent making a tracking conformation could have went elsewhere. like grading bulk

Thats what happens when you have mods on a stupid forum instead of being in the mail room. I dont get why they dont delete this place and just put them in the mail room or do customer support through email. Seems like a completely waste of resources if you ask me.

If card quality is high, then there should be lots of 10s on the market. There shouldnt be a bunch of 9's and 9.5s if thats the case since if there isnt any imperfections, there is no reason to artificially downgrade cards. Lots of the japanese cards have zero issues since they have the card production almost down to the science, yet theres tons of japanese cards that arent perfect 10s. Same could be said with certain US sets. Ive done mass box openings on some of the recent sword & shield sets and some of them have no quality control issues, so not to give out 9.5's or 10s on new cards with no factory issues, doesnt make any sense. I'm already starting to notice inconsistencies in some of the cards I been graded. That is grading in general though, its all subjective and CGC isnt any different. What makes me not like the CGC/BGS system is that when its on a 9.5 scale (since the 10 is non-existant for the most part), the cards naturally get graded lower. I end up with lots of 8's and 8.5s when with SGC or PSA, i would have more 9's since they use the 1-10 scale. At the end of the day, I just care what the number is since thats what the market cares about. People sadly buy the label. But its not much dfiferent than buying luxury goods. People dont buy rolls royce or louis vuitton because its the best quality. They buy it since its a status symbol. And PSA, even with their crappy slabs, is a status thing. So Im not really incentivized to grade with a company that realistically, just has a different methology really. They care alot about centering while the rest of the companies dont. And the secondary market doesnt care that CGC cares about centering, so theres that.

Isnt "strict grading" just a devaluation of your assets? Its not a roast man. Its an opinion about the condition of your card that your needing for resell. I dont get this mentality anymore since at first I kind of thought it made sense, but after getting multiple 8.5's and 9's for no real reason, its just as subjective as any other company with their methology. Even when asked CGC of how their methology works, they say they use an algorithm that isnt public information. Lol like really? A made up algorithm that has no clear explanation. I dont even know where to start with that since they might as well just say "yeah we just make stuff up as we go along". Ive had alot of 9's that could easily gotten 10s with PSA. Nothing really wrong with them. 9 vs 9.5 vs 10 just all come down to how the grader was feeling that day. Its the same standards as BGS and BGS always sells less than PSA except for the perfect 10's/pristine 10s that rarely are given out. But even the 10s, they dont look very different than alot of other cards. A 9 or a 9.5 can easily be a 10. To me it just feels like a marketing gimmick to get people to grade here thinking they will get some magical 10 but 90 something percent of the time, you will get a 9.5 or a 9 no matter how perfect the card is.

I just see price increases happening, which isnt the worst thing ever but limiting what year you can grade would be better. There basically was an unofficial price increase. If you send in bulk, its basically not coming back for a year if it was sent in after late January/February at the rate they are working on that tier, but if you pay $20 for standard (with membership) then it comes back within a month or two. I just wish CGC just announced a price increase but instead we get this passive aggressive business behavior that IMO is extremely weak. I had to upgrade to standard to get my orders out from them. Wasnt thrilled since I sent in some new stuff that I probably shouldnt have but didnt think bulk would end up being almost a year TAT. I probably will lose money on it and its my mistake, but just annoying never the less. But I agree too that new stuff shouldnt be slabbed so quickly. We are heading into an era of junk slabs in that in the long term, the saturation of slabs is going to flood the market. Ive stopped grading anything thats before Black & White for this reason. Even the new stuff I graded was mostly left overs from packs that I had that I couldnt sell very easily, but Ill just open less packs and sell sealed or buylist my left overs. All my modern slabs are just going to get dumped on the auction house since its just a matter of when they will crash. Not how but when and my prediction is probably in early 2022 when the hype for Pokemon finally dies off with the 25th anniversary coming and going.

They probably need to cut off recent years from grading. For sports, at least 5 years. These rookies need to prove themselves in their leagues. As good as Luka and Zion look, it just takes one bad injury and they are next Greg Oden. Imagine if everyone was grading Greg Odon or Johnny Menzel the way they are grading these new players LOL. For Pokemon, anything that is standard legal should not be allowed to be graded, so the last 2 years worth of cards should be cut out. Cards should have to rotate out of standard gameplay before they can be sent in. Grading sets that are not even a month old is getting ridiculous. Stacks of Shining Fates cards that are not even a few months old and are sub 5 dollars continue to flood and jam up the system. If people wanna grade whatever, then they would pay a premium for newer cards. If not then they have to wait. It seems like common sense but it seems like most companies are just not seeing it for some reason.

Lol, 4 ignored comments probably about talking about me and ignoring the issues that CGC is having. Not a good look Paul. When are the grown ups going to take out the trash? Or is everything my fault somehow lol? Im sure Ill get banned again for no reason while the trolls continue to do this to anyone who has an issue with their order. On this board, everything is the customers fault and the hardcore fans are perfect angels that never do wrong. I really dont get why these forums exist if they are just going to show case how childish CGC's customer base is since again, it looks terrible and benefits nobody except those who wanna relive like they are kids in middle school.

Lol and this company thinks its trying to run a business. Maybe they should stick to lemonade stands since I dont see any adults in the room.

No, your not being remotely reasonable. Your acting extremely inappropriate. I have a reasonable complaint that Im trying to talk about with an employee at the company yet your coming here acting like a manager telling me to screw off when you have zero authority whatsoever. Its embarrassing that Paul is even allowing this and this is a good reason too why Im not coming back to CGC since the culture is very reflective in its superfans. Childish behavior runs rampant on these forums while work at the company is not getting done and mods are on here wasting their time dealing with this. I cant be the only one who thinks this is backwards. Welcome to the block list. No point in trying to have a conversation with someone who refuses to listen and just keeps talking over me. I dont know on what planet you think your defending CGC well but your just digging the hole deeper and im not interested in talking to you future.

How am I trashing CGC? Im not telling them to do anything. Im just telling them how I feel. Its a free country. If you dont like it then maybe you should be the one who leaves. And Im not threatening anything. I dont want to submit to a company that tells me one thing and then does another after I gave them money. Maybe your ok with that kind of service but im not. Blaming the customer yet continuing to not solve your problems seems to be a theme here. This is a business. You can blame me forever, but thats not going to fix TAT's or improve the service. You can ban me, talk poorly about me, make your little high school jokes about me until the end of time, but that doesnt change that CGC is not doing a great job with how they are handling TAT's. Blaming me or any customer doesnt change reality.

All the orders pre-february 17th were prepaid on. They are sitting at CGC not being worked on. They moved from early December to mid December on bulk in an entire month. I dont know how your going to keep defending this since its just poor business practices. You cant keep changing estimates to unrealistic times and think its ok. It doesnt matter what the actual circumstances are. There just comes a point to where CGC is at fault. People paid money to get their cards back at a reasonable amount of time. Half a year isnt very reasonable. And not even a "yeah we are sorry" is just like a big middle finger to everyone. Regardless, I dont know if your an employee or a superfan or what your problem is, but the fact that Paul tolerates this type of behavior on his boards, yeah your looking at some awful business relations in your future. Telling people to screw off because their service was delayed half a year without any form of compensation or at least acknowledgment of it being an issue, yeah thats extremely bad business and any potential graders in the future are going to read this and think poorly of this company. And I dont want people to think poorly of CGC, but with this kind of childish culture, what else is there to think? The company is having issues, they arent doing anything about it, its superfans are attacking anyone with a problem, you tell me how this is good business.

Ok first off Don your acting very inappropriate. Your on a moderated board and you keep telling CGC's own customers to go away. I dont know when you thought you became CEO of the company or think your some kind of decision maker, but your not. I have a legit concern and I dont know why you keep dismissing it. Second, an estimate has to be appropriate. Giving out a 30 day estimate and changing it to 144 days is not appropriate. Do you really think going from 30 to 144 is acceptable? I dont see how it is. Thats a huge different in time frame, as in we are talking almost half a year difference in time. And my orders were PREPAID. That is what makes it worse, even though I paid to have most of my orders upgraded since im not waiting half a year for my cards back. Finally, regardless of whos fault it is, the changing in TAT's LOOKS BAD. It just looks like CGC has no idea what they are doing. Maybe they have something going on behind the scenes like some secret algorithm through the OC3 optical lines that will fix the TAT's, I have no clue, but regardless, changing the TAT's consistently to very length amounts of time feels bad. It doesnt make me want to come back. It looks like CGC is disorganized and is taking peoples money and not doing anything. Again, that is what it LOOKS like. Nobody knows what is really happening since communication isnt very good. Regardless, yeah I mean going from 1 month to half a year in bulk, like at some point you have to take some accountability for a huge change like that. You cant keep blaming the customers forever.

Is this a reflection of CGC's culture? "Sorry but we cant keep promises and dont want to accept any responsibility, so go away bye". Lol what a joke. You cant be serious if you think thats appropriate way of doing business.

Ya know Paul I been defending you guys for a while but this is getting kind of unbelievable. You cant say that 30 was your best estimate and now 144 is your best estimate. You dont think that makes no sense? Its literally a 100 day difference. Your "best" estimate was pretty way off. And I get the jargon at this point. "Nothing guaranteed", "Estimate that that time", "We have too many orders", "We are hiring more people and getting a bigger building" etc etc. But these are not very good excuses. You keep neglecting the bulk and finding reasons to not take responsibility. At one point is it not going to be the customers fault? Im just saying it right now that your either going to have an even more ridiculous TAT or your going to shut down at some point. A credit would be nice but at this point, I dont expect anything except more excuses. Id like to do business with CGC in the future but right now, this is not a very good look. Regardless if its your company'ys fault or the industry's norms or whatever, the lack of acknowledgment of the problem just looks very bad. Sorry man but I probably wont submit again unless things are taken control of. It just looks amateurish from my PoV of the handling of the bulk.