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There has also been a lot of discussion of stat art and stats used in covers, especially since Romitaman sold that TOS cover that was a shrunken stat of a larger page. I happen to like stat covers and have a few, which I've posted before, but below is an example of the Marvel's Greatest Comics cover that features a stat image of the classic FF 55 cover. When framed and on the wall, I gotta tell you it looks mighty sweet. And since I could never afford the actual cover to FF 55 nor would I ever be able to pry it out of the owner's hands, this is as close as I'm gonna get!

 

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Nothing wrong with stat covers. For display purposes, they look fine.

 

But would you want to pay $7,000 for one (i.e. the TOS cover)?

 

Would you have paid that for your MARVEL GREATEST COMICS stat cover?

 

I don't really know if I'd pay $7000 for one. I certainly didn't pay that for mine. But if someone did, I wouldn't begrudge them that, especially if they loved the image and wanted to own a cover at a fraction of the price of a true OA cover.

 

I wasn't really thinking about pricing when I made the post, just making the point that a lot of people pooh-pooh stat covers, which IMHO is unfortunate -- they can made a lovely addition to your collection! (thumbs u

 

One of the allures of OA, for me, is the fact that one day out of the distant or recent past an artist sat in front of a blank illustration board and (with skill and imagination) transformed that area of nothingness into a work of art . . . be it a painting, illustration, comic book cover or continuity-strip.

 

Owning that original is, for me, a kind of snapshot of that artist's career . . . a piece of his life, if you like.

 

Looking at the artwork, I study the tell-tale signs of how the artist worked (traces of pencil lines . . . nuances of the inking, etc.). It gives me a warm feeling inside, knowing that the artwork I'm looking at was the fruit of the artist's creativity.

 

That's why I'm prepared to indulge in this expensive hobby.

 

On the other hand . . .

 

A stat is not OA.

 

The uniformity of the printed blacks (which nearly always fail to capture the delicate line-work of the original) is not as good a representation of the original as you'd perhaps like to believe.

 

If a stat gives someone pleasure . . . I'm very happy for them. I certainly wouldn't pooh-pooh the idea of collecting such things.

 

And if someone wants to pay $7,000 for a statted cover . . . there's nothing for me to begrudge.

 

My disdain (referring back to the TOS cover stat thread) was for the $7,000 asking price - which was (and is) outrageous.

 

Jeezus, Terry, you're a presumptuous SOB aren't you? lol You're making a lot of assumptions about what I think. Why? Because I own some stat covers? Go on with your bad nuance-appreciating self. :baiting:

 

I get it. You don't particularly like stat covers. You'd obviously never own one yourself. But it certainly seems to me you have more of a disdain for them than just Mike's asking price for that TOS stat cover.

 

You don't need to lecture me on the differences between true original art and stat covers. I certainly DON'T make any assertions that they are OA.

 

I have no idea why you would say "The uniformity of the blacks (which nearly always fail to capture the delicate line-work of the original) is not as good a representation of the original as you'd perhaps like to believe." I don't believe they are line-for-line or brush stroke-for-brush stroke representations of anything so there's no need to put words in my mouth or apply beliefs to me that I don't hold. I know what stat covers are. I'm not advocating that they are in any way the same categorically as an originally drawn piece of art.

 

I have plenty of pieces of gorgeous, hand-drawn, delicately penciled and inked artwork with the artist's creative nuances oozing out of every pore of the paper. And I know the difference between them as originals, and a stat cover.

 

But thanks for 'splaining it to me.

 

(thumbs u

 

 

 

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There has also been a lot of discussion of stat art and stats used in covers, especially since Romitaman sold that TOS cover that was a shrunken stat of a larger page. I happen to like stat covers and have a few, which I've posted before, but below is an example of the Marvel's Greatest Comics cover that features a stat image of the classic FF 55 cover. When framed and on the wall, I gotta tell you it looks mighty sweet. And since I could never afford the actual cover to FF 55 nor would I ever be able to pry it out of the owner's hands, this is as close as I'm gonna get!

 

MCGandStatues.jpg

 

Nothing wrong with stat covers. For display purposes, they look fine.

 

But would you want to pay $7,000 for one (i.e. the TOS cover)?

 

Would you have paid that for your MARVEL GREATEST COMICS stat cover?

 

I don't really know if I'd pay $7000 for one. I certainly didn't pay that for mine. But if someone did, I wouldn't begrudge them that, especially if they loved the image and wanted to own a cover at a fraction of the price of a true OA cover.

 

I wasn't really thinking about pricing when I made the post, just making the point that a lot of people pooh-pooh stat covers, which IMHO is unfortunate -- they can made a lovely addition to your collection! (thumbs u

 

One of the allures of OA, for me, is the fact that one day out of the distant or recent past an artist sat in front of a blank illustration board and (with skill and imagination) transformed that area of nothingness into a work of art . . . be it a painting, illustration, comic book cover or continuity-strip.

 

Owning that original is, for me, a kind of snapshot of that artist's career . . . a piece of his life, if you like.

 

Looking at the artwork, I study the tell-tale signs of how the artist worked (traces of pencil lines . . . nuances of the inking, etc.). It gives me a warm feeling inside, knowing that the artwork I'm looking at was the fruit of the artist's creativity.

 

That's why I'm prepared to indulge in this expensive hobby.

 

On the other hand . . .

 

A stat is not OA.

 

The uniformity of the printed blacks (which nearly always fail to capture the delicate line-work of the original) is not as good a representation of the original as you'd perhaps like to believe.

 

If a stat gives someone pleasure . . . I'm very happy for them. I certainly wouldn't pooh-pooh the idea of collecting such things.

 

And if someone wants to pay $7,000 for a statted cover . . . there's nothing for me to begrudge.

 

My disdain (referring back to the TOS cover stat thread) was for the $7,000 asking price - which was (and is) outrageous.

 

Jeezus, Terry, you're a presumptuous SOB aren't you? lol You're making a lot of assumptions about what I think. Why? Because I own some stat covers? Go on with your bad nuance-appreciating self. :baiting:

 

I get it. You don't particularly like stat covers. You'd obviously never own one yourself. But it certainly seems to me you have more of a disdain for them than just Mike's asking price for that TOS stat cover.

 

You don't need to lecture me on the differences between true original art and stat covers. I certainly DON'T make any assertions that they are OA.

 

I have no idea why you would say "The uniformity of the blacks (which nearly always fail to capture the delicate line-work of the original) is not as good a representation of the original as you'd perhaps like to believe." I don't believe they are line-for-line or brush stroke-for-brush stroke representations of anything so there's no need to put words in my mouth or apply beliefs to me that I don't hold. I know what stat covers are. I'm not advocating that they are in any way the same categorically as an originally drawn piece of art.

 

I have plenty of pieces of gorgeous, hand-drawn, delicately penciled and inked artwork with the artist's creative nuances oozing out of every pore of the paper. And I know the difference between them as originals, and a stat cover.

 

But thanks for 'splaining it to me.

 

(thumbs u

 

 

 

Jeez, Steve, now you're trying to put words into my mouth . . .

 

I was merely outlining my thoughts on the subject, not trying to offer some sort of evaluation on how I think you tick. :screwy:

 

Isn't this forum supposed to be an exchange of thoughts, ideas and beliefs? And, after all, it is supposed to be an Original Art forum. hm

 

You're reading something into my post that was never my intention. (tsk)

 

If I said I have nothing against stats, or people that collect them, why do you want to go out of your way to contradict me?

 

And as a quick afterthought . . . I was recently the underbidder in Scotty Moore's eBay auction for the production cover to EXTRA # 2 (EC) . . . and I also have first-refusal to the production cover to MARVEL TALES # 17 (owned by a friend). So when you jump to conclusions about me not liking stat covers, or ever wanting to own one . . . you're obviously talking out of your azz! lol

 

So, like I say, it was the matter of outrageous pricing that was the focus of my post, eh? hm

 

 

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A fight in the OA section... thats a first hm

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A fight in the OA section... thats a first hm

 

Well, from what I recall, the Rhino was never the brightest of vilains . . . he just sort of charged around hitting things with his head - which was presumably (me being a presumptious S.O.B.) the thickest part of his body. lol:baiting:

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A fight in the OA section... thats a first hm

 

Well, from what I recall, the Rhino was never the brightest of vilains . . . he just sort of charged around hitting things with his head - which was presumably (me being a presumptious S.O.B.) the thickest part of his body. lol:baiting:

 

lol Insults directed at my intelligence and anatomy? Wow, I'm in grade school again! zzz

 

MK, this isn't a fight. This is just a sad attempt at macho posturing by Mr. Trent that I have to laugh at. lol lol lol

 

doh!

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lol ...you guys are too funny. :cloud9:

 

Anyway, this is my contribution to this thread. Andy Kubert DPS of Wolvy and Sabretooth: I would take a better picture, but I bought it framed and I'm terrified of taking it out for a better picture. :(

 

 

Art is 22 x 17" :)

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This great frame job was a surprise anniversary present from my wife :cloud9:

 

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We have a winner! Amazing piece there Steve!

 

Thanks Chris!

We hung it in our upstairs hallway last night, and it looks freakin' awesome :headbang:

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A fight in the OA section... thats a first hm

 

Well, from what I recall, the Rhino was never the brightest of vilains . . . he just sort of charged around hitting things with his head - which was presumably (me being a presumptious S.O.B.) the thickest part of his body. lol:baiting:

 

lol Insults directed at my intelligence and anatomy? Wow, I'm in grade school again! zzz

 

MK, this isn't a fight. This is just a sad attempt at macho posturing by Mr. Trent that I have to laugh at. lol lol lol

 

doh!

 

And this is coming from a guy who didn't read my post properly . . . jumped to (wrong) conclusions, when he came back at me with an aggresive and insulting response.

 

Pot calling kettle black?

 

What a sad little man . . .

 

He has my pity, not my contempt.

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Stat art, or a faithful re-creation, especially if it's by the original artist, either would be fine with me if the original was not available, or did not exisit, or was priced out of my reach. The only factor for me would be if the cost was reasonable. It would still look great framed and hanging up on my wall.

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We have a winner! Amazing piece there Steve!

 

Thanks Chris!

We hung it in our upstairs hallway last night, and it looks freakin' awesome :headbang:

How many years?

 

Amazing btw (worship)

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We have a winner! Amazing piece there Steve!

 

Thanks Chris!

We hung it in our upstairs hallway last night, and it looks freakin' awesome :headbang:

How many years?

 

Amazing btw (worship)

 

Thanks Danny! Been married for three years this month :luhv:

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Stat art, or a faithful re-creation, especially if it's by the original artist, either would be fine with me if the original was not available, or did not exisit, or was priced out of my reach. The only factor for me would be if the cost was reasonable. It would still look great framed and hanging up on my wall.

 

Which was the point of my initial post (which was totally lost on Rhino).

 

A $7,000 stat is not a reasonable price.

 

Instead of continuing the discussion in a reasonable manner, Rhino chose to go the route of aggression and insults.

 

By calling me an S.O.B., he drags the memory of my late mother into the equation, by calling her a B.I.T.C.H. (tsk)

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I propose a truce! From what I know of both participants they are both stand up guys. And, as I am a king of internet typos and poorly thought out first thing in the morning statements, I can honestly say I believe no one is trying to make insinuations about anyone else's family. Moreover, I think both parties, and all parties may be in agreement here. I too lament ridiculously priced stats, but cool pieces of production history have their place in our hobby too. And, I especially like to see those pieces framed and displayed at home or office... adds to the fun of collecting! :hi: DF

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Stat art, or a faithful re-creation, especially if it's by the original artist, either would be fine with me if the original was not available, or did not exisit, or was priced out of my reach. The only factor for me would be if the cost was reasonable. It would still look great framed and hanging up on my wall.

 

Which was the point of my initial post (which was totally lost on Rhino).

 

A $7,000 stat is not a reasonable price.

 

Instead of continuing the discussion in a reasonable manner, Rhino chose to go the route of aggression and insults.

 

By calling me an S.O.B., he drags the memory of my late mother into the equation, by calling her a B.I.T.C.H. (tsk)

 

Terry, a couple things:

 

1. I certainly wasn't intending to insult your late mother. That's the last thing I'd do. I lost mine last year and would agree that my flippant use of of the term S.O.B was absolutely unwarranted. If you really and truly took my post as an insult toward your mother, then I truly and sincerely apologize for that. :foryou:

 

2. Now, as far as your post goes, I do think it was presumptuous. First, becuase you contend that $7,000 is too high a price for a stat cover. If somebody bought that stat cover - and apparently someone did -- then the price was ok and the piece was worth it to them. You also go on to say it was an unreasonable price. So, who appointed you to be the judge of what's reasonable and what isn't? lol Romitaman can ask whatever he wants for a piece. If somebody pays it, then it's not unreasonable, whether it's a stat or not. It was apparently reasonable to someone because the piece is sold. (shrug)

 

2B. I posted a pic of one of my stat covers. You then questioned what I'd be willing to pay for such a piece, alluding to the price of Romitaman's TOS cover. I said I wasn't really thinking about value, and you launched into a soliloquy deriding stat covers compared to "true OA", stat covers not being OA, blah blah blah, and it was in response to my post, and rather patronizing at that. I consider this thread as an opportunity to celebrate pieces of art shared by collectors on these boards. Seems to me you were disparaging stat covers and I had just posted one. So my response to that is "Screw you".

 

I will apologize for calling you an S.O.B and invoking the memory of your dead mother. I'm not a complete lout. But I won't apologize for getting riled by your post which I thought was negative toward stat covers in general.

 

Celebrate other people's art, don't pizz on it.

 

Now, back to our regularly scheduled program of appreciating people's art. I apologize for derailing the thread further.

 

 

 

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Stat art, or a faithful re-creation, especially if it's by the original artist, either would be fine with me if the original was not available, or did not exisit, or was priced out of my reach. The only factor for me would be if the cost was reasonable. It would still look great framed and hanging up on my wall.

 

Which was the point of my initial post (which was totally lost on Rhino).

 

A $7,000 stat is not a reasonable price.

 

Instead of continuing the discussion in a reasonable manner, Rhino chose to go the route of aggression and insults.

 

By calling me an S.O.B., he drags the memory of my late mother into the equation, by calling her a B.I.T.C.H. (tsk)

 

Terry, a couple things:

 

1. I certainly wasn't intending to insult your late mother. That's the last thing I'd do. I lost mine last year and would agree that my flippant use of of the term S.O.B was absolutely unwarranted. If you really and truly took my post as an insult toward your mother, then I truly and sincerely apologize for that. :foryou:

 

2. Now, as far as your post goes, I do think it was presumptuous. First, becuase you contend that $7,000 is too high a price for a stat cover. If somebody bought that stat cover - and apparently someone did -- then the price was ok and the piece was worth it to them. You also go on to say it was an unreasonable price. So, who appointed you to be the judge of what's reasonable and what isn't? lol Romitaman can ask whatever he wants for a piece. If somebody pays it, then it's not unreasonable, whether it's a stat or not. It was apparently reasonable to someone because the piece is sold. (shrug)

 

2B. I posted a pic of one of my stat covers. You then questioned what I'd be willing to pay for such a piece, alluding to the price of Romitaman's TOS cover. I said I wasn't really thinking about value, and you launched into a soliloquy deriding stat covers compared to "true OA", stat covers not being OA, blah blah blah, and it was in response to my post, and rather patronizing at that. I consider this thread as an opportunity to celebrate pieces of art shared by collectors on these boards. Seems to me you were disparaging stat covers and I had just posted one. So my response to that is "Screw you".

 

I will apologize for calling you an S.O.B and invoking the memory of your dead mother. I'm not a complete lout. But I won't apologize for getting riled by your post which I thought was negative toward stat covers in general.

 

Celebrate other people's art, don't pizz on it.

 

Now, back to our regularly scheduled program of appreciating people's art. I apologize for derailing the thread further.

 

 

 

Okay, let me summarize by repeating some elements of earlier posts in this thread - and append my observations on them . . .

 

RHINO:

 

"There has also been a lot of discussion of stat art and stats used in covers, especially since Romitaman sold that TOS cover that was a shrunken stat of a larger page."

 

Here, you open a dialog on stat cover art and refer to an earlier thread where much of the focus was on the $7,000 price-tag of the TOS stat cover. So, why should you be so surprised when the same price discussion is re-visited?

 

TRENT:

 

"Nothing wrong with stat covers. For display purposes, they look fine.

 

But would you want to pay $7,000 for one (i.e. the TOS cover)?"

 

So . . what part of me saying, "Nothing wrong with stat covers. For display purposes, they look fine", is it you didn't understand?

 

TRENT:

 

"One of the allures of OA, for me, is the fact that one day out of the distant or recent past an artist sat in front of a blank illustration board and (with skill and imagination) transformed that area of nothingness into a work of art . . . be it a painting, illustration, comic book cover or continuity-strip.

 

Owning that original is, for me, a kind of snapshot of that artist's career . . . a piece of his life, if you like.

 

Looking at the artwork, I study the tell-tale signs of how the artist worked (traces of pencil lines . . . nuances of the inking, etc.). It gives me a warm feeling inside, knowing that the artwork I'm looking at was the fruit of the artist's creativity."

 

Here, you seem to think that all of the above was solely for your benefit? Please don't flatter yourself; it wasn't. I was merely elaborating on what pushes my buttons on collecting OA.

 

RHINO:

 

"I get it. You don't particularly like stat covers. You'd obviously never own one yourself. But it certainly seems to me you have more of a disdain for them than just Mike's asking price for that TOS stat cover."

 

No, you don't get it . . . Here, you try to put words into my mouth . . . despite me saying (above), "Nothing wrong with stat covers. For display purposes, they look fine."

 

TRENT:

 

"If a stat gives someone pleasure . . . I'm very happy for them. I certainly wouldn't pooh-pooh the idea of collecting such things.

 

And if someone wants to pay $7,000 for a statted cover . . . there's nothing for me to begrudge.

 

My disdain (referring back to the TOS cover stat thread) was for the $7,000 asking price - which was (and is) outrageous."

 

And later:

 

"I was recently the underbidder in Scotty Moore's eBay auction for the production cover to EXTRA # 2 (EC) . . . and I also have first-refusal to the production cover to MARVEL TALES # 17 (owned by a friend). So when you jump to conclusions about me not liking stat covers, or ever wanting to own one . . . you're obviously talking out of your azz! "

 

So . . . if I competed in Scotty's eBay auction . . .and have asked for first-refusal on my friend's MARVEL TALES stat cover, that hardly makes me a stat-hater, does it?

 

And in answer to your present post . . .

 

Apologies accepted about your S.O.B. remark. I mean, would you like it if I referred to you as a S.O.W (Son of a W.H.O.R.E.)? I'm sure you wouldn't.

 

And as for me having an opinion on Mike's $7,000 price-tag for the TOS stat cover . . . it's just that . . . an opinion.

 

I take it you've never looked at a piece of art (or stat) on a dealer's site and thought, "That's an outrageous asking price!"???

 

And, finally, whereabout in any of my posts do I deride stat covers?

 

I don't.

 

I make a distinction between a piece of OA and a stat, that's all.

 

Before you launch into tirades against anyone, you ought to read things through properly and digest . . . but, sadly, you seem more interested in mis-representing anything I say, so I'll have to chalk you down as a waste of time and effort.

 

You don't want to offer me any apologies beyond the S.O.B. business? That's fine. It takes a real man to hold his hand up and acknowledge his mistakes. I don't class you as that type of person.

 

 

 

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Stat art, or a faithful re-creation, especially if it's by the original artist, either would be fine with me if the original was not available, or did not exisit, or was priced out of my reach. The only factor for me would be if the cost was reasonable. It would still look great framed and hanging up on my wall.

 

Which was the point of my initial post (which was totally lost on Rhino).

 

A $7,000 stat is not a reasonable price.

 

Instead of continuing the discussion in a reasonable manner, Rhino chose to go the route of aggression and insults.

 

By calling me an S.O.B., he drags the memory of my late mother into the equation, by calling her a B.I.T.C.H. (tsk)

 

Terry, a couple things:

 

1. I certainly wasn't intending to insult your late mother. That's the last thing I'd do. I lost mine last year and would agree that my flippant use of of the term S.O.B was absolutely unwarranted. If you really and truly took my post as an insult toward your mother, then I truly and sincerely apologize for that. :foryou:

 

2. Now, as far as your post goes, I do think it was presumptuous. First, becuase you contend that $7,000 is too high a price for a stat cover. If somebody bought that stat cover - and apparently someone did -- then the price was ok and the piece was worth it to them. You also go on to say it was an unreasonable price. So, who appointed you to be the judge of what's reasonable and what isn't? lol Romitaman can ask whatever he wants for a piece. If somebody pays it, then it's not unreasonable, whether it's a stat or not. It was apparently reasonable to someone because the piece is sold. (shrug)

 

2B. I posted a pic of one of my stat covers. You then questioned what I'd be willing to pay for such a piece, alluding to the price of Romitaman's TOS cover. I said I wasn't really thinking about value, and you launched into a soliloquy deriding stat covers compared to "true OA", stat covers not being OA, blah blah blah, and it was in response to my post, and rather patronizing at that. I consider this thread as an opportunity to celebrate pieces of art shared by collectors on these boards. Seems to me you were disparaging stat covers and I had just posted one. So my response to that is "Screw you".

 

I will apologize for calling you an S.O.B and invoking the memory of your dead mother. I'm not a complete lout. But I won't apologize for getting riled by your post which I thought was negative toward stat covers in general.

 

Celebrate other people's art, don't pizz on it.

 

Now, back to our regularly scheduled program of appreciating people's art. I apologize for derailing the thread further.

 

 

 

Okay, let me summarize by repeating some elements of earlier posts of this thread - and append my interpretations of them . . .

 

RHINO:

 

"There has also been a lot of discussion of stat art and stats used in covers, especially since Romitaman sold that TOS cover that was a shrunken stat of a larger page."

 

Here, you open a dialog on stat cover art and refer to an earlier thread where much of the focus was on the $7,000 price-tag of the TOS stat cover. So, why should you be so surprised when the same price discussion is re-visited?

 

TRENT:

 

"Nothing wrong with stat covers. For display purposes, they look fine.

 

But would you want to pay $7,000 for one (i.e. the TOS cover)?"

 

So . . what part of me saying, "Nothing wrong with stat covers. For display purposes, they look fine", is it you didn't understand?

 

TRENT:

 

"One of the allures of OA, for me, is the fact that one day out of the distant or recent past an artist sat in front of a blank illustration board and (with skill and imagination) transformed that area of nothingness into a work of art . . . be it a painting, illustration, comic book cover or continuity-strip.

 

Owning that original is, for me, a kind of snapshot of that artist's career . . . a piece of his life, if you like.

 

Looking at the artwork, I study the tell-tale signs of how the artist worked (traces of pencil lines . . . nuances of the inking, etc.). It gives me a warm feeling inside, knowing that the artwork I'm looking at was the fruit of the artist's creativity."

 

Here, you seem to think that all of the above was solely for your benefit? Please don't flatter yourself; it wasn't. I was merely elaborating on what pushes my buttons on collecting OA.

 

RHINO:

 

"I get it. You don't particularly like stat covers. You'd obviously never own one yourself. But it certainly seems to me you have more of a disdain for them than just Mike's asking price for that TOS stat cover."

 

No, you don't get it . . . Here, you try to put words into my mouth . . . despite me saying (above), "Nothing wrong with stat covers. For display purposes, they look fine."

 

TRENT:

 

"If a stat gives someone pleasure . . . I'm very happy for them. I certainly wouldn't pooh-pooh the idea of collecting such things.

 

And if someone wants to pay $7,000 for a statted cover . . . there's nothing for me to begrudge.

 

My disdain (referring back to the TOS cover stat thread) was for the $7,000 asking price - which was (and is) outrageous."

 

And later:

 

"I was recently the underbidder in Scotty Moore's eBay auction for the production cover to EXTRA # 2 (EC) . . . and I also have first-refusal to the production cover to MARVEL TALES # 17 (owned by a friend). So when you jump to conclusions about me not liking stat covers, or ever wanting to own one . . . you're obviously talking out of your azz! "

 

So . . . if I competed in Scotty's eBay auction . . .and have asked for first-refusal on my friend's MARVEL TALES stat cover, that hardly makes me a stat-hater, does it?

 

And in answer to your present post . . .

 

Apologies accepted about your S.O.B. remark. I mean, would you like it if I referred to you as a S.O.W (Son of a W.H.O.R.E.)? I'm sure you wouldn't.

 

And as for me having an opinion on Mike's $7,000 price-tag for the TOS stat cover . . . it's just that . . . an opinion.

 

I take it you've never looked at a piece of art (or stat) on a dealer's site and thought, "That's an outrageous asking price!"???

 

And, finally, where about in any of my posts to I deride stat covers?

 

I don't.

 

I make a distinction between a piece of OA and a stat, that's all.

 

Before you launch into tirades against anyone, you ought to read things through properly and digest . . . but, sadly, you seem more interested in mis-representing anything I say.

 

You don't want to offer me any apologies beyond the S.O.B. business? That's fine. It takes a real man to acknowledge his mistakes. I don't class you as that type of person.

 

 

Wow, it's like Monty Python in the OA forum now!

 

"Look, I came here for an argument."

 

"No you didn't, you came here for an argument!"

 

lol

 

Terry, I appreciate your attempt to deconstruct our posts and prove to me that I'm wrong. I think you're taking this WAY too seriously.

 

Here's the deal: You posted and addressed me in response to my post. Typically that means you're talking to me. But apparently now you weren't talking to me -- rather, you were philosophizing and opining about OA and stats for the benefit of all of comic-art-fandom.

 

I CLEARLY misinterpreted your post as thinking you were talking to ME (because, as you say, it's all about me. And it is! :banana: ).

 

However, I flippantly called you an S.O.B, which was absolutely incorrect. I know nothing of your lineage. I should have called you an S.O.V (Son of Velcro) because it's obvious you're incapable of letting things go. lol:baiting:

 

I think what you conveniently omitted, in your quite impressive deconstruction, is this quote of yours -- the one that got me bristled the most in the first place:

 

MR. TRENT:

 

"A stat is not OA.

 

The uniformity of the printed blacks (which nearly always fail to capture the delicate line-work of the original) is not as good a representation of the original as you'd perhaps like to believe."

 

Which, as I mentioned in a previous post, says "as you'd perhaps like to believe". As I noted before, and responded about, is that your response seemed to be addressing me, and saying I believe something that I don't believe. Never did. I never implied, said, or otherwise contended that a stat cover in any way is as good a representation as the original. So I told you not to put words in my mouth. I found that statement presumptuous, and I still do. No apologies for that will be forthcoming.

 

In addition, your whole post in general came across to me as condescending and patronizing, as though you were trying to explain to me in painstaking detail why stat covers are inferior to original art. My mistake. I'm clearly wrong. I now realize that, according to you, you weren't talking to me. So I guess you were actually trying to patronize the art collecting public as a whole. (thumbs u

 

Now, it seems I did make incorrect statements about your opinion of stat artwork. Based on your original initial post, it is quite surprising to me to find out that you bid on a stat cover because the tone of your post seemed to indicate to me that you don't hold stat covers in particularly high regard -- particularly because you qualify the statement quite clearly with "for display purposes." You know, they don't have nuances of the original artist's artistry and all that waxing poetic that you so eloquently stated. They don't reproduce the integrity of the original line work as I would believe -- oops, as somebody, apparently not me, would believe.

 

But the bottom line is, you like stat covers after all (but only for display purposes, if I understand your post correctly). I'm wrong about that! I admit it! :acclaim::golfclap:

 

Maybe you're the one who should go back and digest your own posts, and see how I could have taken umbrage at that statement, and acknowledge that your tone came off a wee bit holier than thou.

 

You also seem to take offense at me not agreeing with you about Romitaman's prices on that Stat TOS cover. You absolutely have every right to say you agree or disagree with the price. I think your problem is that I don't share your outrage. You say the price is outrageous, that it's not reasonable. But clearly it was reasonable to someone, just not to you. So what?

 

Lastly, I really couldn't care what you think of me. Insulting my manhood would seem to be a cowardly and cheap last resort in an argument. If that's what a real man is, well, you can go ahead and be one.

 

I will apologize anytime I think I've done an injustice, and I'll admit I'm wrong if I think I'm wrong. In fact, I've admitted I'm wrong about certain things I may have incorrectly interpreted from your posts.

 

And I apologized for insulting your mother.

 

However, I still don't think I'm wrong in thinking that you made a pompous and condescending post in response to mine.

 

So here we are. That's what I think. You can and probably will disagree. Whatever. I have better things to do with my time than continue to argue over this, especially on the internet where it seems quite easy to misinterpret and get offended by things. And I won't stoop to insulting your manhood if you don't agree with me.

 

--Steve

 

Oh, I also don't carry a grudge. So if we ever meet up a convention, don't be surprised if I say, "Let's go have a beer, you bloody brush-stroke nuance-appreciating stat-hater." lol

 

 

 

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If my reply was solely for your benefit, I would have sent you a PM.

 

By posting on this forum, the messages are for EVERYONE'S benefit.

 

There is an AUDIENCE.

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Okay, I didn't have time to respond more fully earlier on, so here we go again:

 

RHINO:

 

"Here's the deal: You posted and addressed me in response to my post. Typically that means you're talking to me. But apparently now you weren't talking to me -- rather, you were philosophizing and opining about OA and stats for the benefit of all of comic-art-fandom."

 

No, this is a forum. Although directly in response to your post, the subject was open for everyone to read and participate in. That consideration was to the fore of my mind when I responded . . . and parts of my post were also intended for the wider forum audience to consider. If everything in my post was intended directly for you alone, I would have sent you a PM.

 

RHINO:

 

"However, I flippantly called you an S.O.B, which was absolutely incorrect. I know nothing of your lineage. I should have called you an S.O.V (Son of Velcro) because it's obvious you're incapable of letting things go."

 

Hey, that's not bad . . . for you! lol

 

RHINO:

 

"I think what you conveniently omitted, in your quite impressive deconstruction, is this quote of yours -- the one that got me bristled the most in the first place:"

 

'A stat is not OA.

 

The uniformity of the printed blacks (which nearly always fail to capture the delicate line-work of the original) is not as good a representation of the original as you'd perhaps like to believe.'

 

When discussing (for the consideration of the wider forum audience) the merits of OA vs Stat, I thought it important to draw attention to the limitations and shortcomings of the stat format. Just to keep things in perspective.

 

It's not an attack, it's honest evaluation.

 

RHINO:

 

"Now, it seems I did make incorrect statements about your opinion of stat artwork. Based on your original initial post, it is quite surprising to me to find out that you bid on a stat cover because the tone of your post seemed to indicate to me that you don't hold stat covers in particularly high regard -- particularly because you qualify the statement quite clearly with 'for display purposes'."

 

Whilst I don't have the same emotional attachment or appreciation for stat work as I do for OA, that's not to say I don't have any regard for stat covers. I do.

 

I also have regard for Russ Cochran's EC Portfolios and the EC Library sets . . . which are series of copies shot directly from the original artwork. And my evaluation of Cochran's projects is still the same, i.e.:

 

'The uniformity of the printed blacks (which nearly always fail to capture the delicate line-work of the original) is not as good a representation of the original as . . . you'd perhaps like to believe.'

 

No, not you, personally . . . you the general audience reading this post.

 

So, despite the limitations of the stat format or high-quality copy, (as a comparison to OA), that's not to say I don't derive pleasure from looking at any form of reproduction.

 

RHINO:

 

"Maybe you're the one who should go back and digest your own posts, and see how I could have taken umbrage at that statement, and acknowledge that your tone came off a wee bit holier than thou."

 

Had you adopted a reasonable tone (and not stooped to sarcasm, aggression and insults), I would have been happy to take on board your concerns and apologize for any unintentional offence caused you. But by responding the way you did, you lost the high moral ground . . . and any respect I once had for you.

 

RHINO:

 

"You also seem to take offense at me not agreeing with you about Romitaman's prices on that Stat TOS cover. You absolutely have every right to say you agree or disagree with the price. I think your problem is that I don't share your outrage. You say the price is outrageous, that it's not reasonable. But clearly it was reasonable to someone, just not to you. So what?"

 

Indeed . . . so what? I couldn't give a damn if you share my thoughts or not. You're just another collector to me (and no doubt the same applies to me with you). (shrug)

 

RHINO:

 

"Lastly, I really couldn't care what you think of me. Insulting my manhood would seem to be a cowardly and cheap last resort in an argument."

 

Says you who started the business of insults (and continues them with things like "Son of Velcro") . . .

 

RHINO:

 

"Oh, I also don't carry a grudge. So if we ever meet up a convention, don't be surprised if I say, 'Let's go have a beer, you bloody brush-stroke nuance-appreciating stat-hater'."

 

Thanks, and don't be surprised if I empty the contents over your head! lol

 

:jokealert:

 

 

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