Changer Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Just now, Yorick said: I think this is not ENTIRELY Baker. Definitely the woman's face, but other elements might be Doolin. All these collaborative efforts by Baker are what makes the debate!! Don't think the Man's face looks Bakerish either MBFan and Yorick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electricmastro Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Yorick said: I think this is not ENTIRELY Baker. Definitely the woman's face, but other elements might be Doolin. All these collaborative efforts by Baker are what makes the debate!! It was pointed out to me that a helpful way to identify uncredited Golden Age comic art is by looking at the ears, because the ear is a relatively detailed part of the body that’s usually visible, assuming the character isn’t wearing anything like a hat or doesn’t have long hair covering it. I’ve found that many artists had their own way of drawing the ear, specifically the antihelix, which is often distinct like a sort of signature in of itself, and while even the same artist doesn’t draw the ear in exactly the same way every time, it’s usually consistent enough to provide a reasonably and confidently-made identification. Matt Baker’s signed covers from 1946-1949: Going by these, Baker seems to approach drawing the ears in a sort of “?” shaped pattern without the period, which at times also resembles a little more like an “S” or “7”, depending on how far away the ear is and what angle it’s being viewed from: In comparing the images to Jumbo Comics #85 (1946), I am now seeing more of a resemblance that’s consistent, along with how the entire faces of the women are drawn in general: So upon further examination, Baker may have done far more covers than I previously realized, if only in part. Edited November 11, 2020 by Electricmastro Sarg and Point Five 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicnoir Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Yorick said: I think this is not ENTIRELY Baker. Definitely the woman's face, but other elements might be Doolin. All these collaborative efforts by Baker are what makes the debate!! Baker came in and changed faces, and that's an example. OSPG will never call it a Baker cover. Sqeggs and MBFan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electricmastro Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Yorick said: I think this is not ENTIRELY Baker. Definitely the woman's face, but other elements might be Doolin. All these collaborative efforts by Baker are what makes the debate!! Joe Doolin would also be a likely candidate in regards to the majority of the cover. To differentiate him from Baker, I’ve noticed that Doolin tended to draw shaded faces with wide-eyed/bulging eyes and ears having a black circle in the middle with a line curving around it in the shape of a “C”. He also went as so far as to draw the iris in the eye, whereas Baker basically tended to have a black circle with a white dot in the middle to represent the eye. Edited November 11, 2020 by Electricmastro Changer, Sarg and MB1952 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorick Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 5 hours ago, Electricmastro said: looking at the ears I like to look at those gams!!! Look at your edited face-set of eight. All the eyes and lips are his "style" as well. When we're dealing with other hands on the artwork, it is the proportions of the figures that give me something to work with in identifying underlying Baker pencils. I also think it's different for different artists. If you see a hallmark with the ears, great! Electricmastro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorick Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Electricmastro said: Doolin Also look at his inking line-weight. Like he's using a pen instead of a brush. That last Doolin example is lovely. Thank you for that. Electricmastro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electricmastro Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Yorick said: I like to look at those gams!!! Look at your edited face-set of eight. All the eyes and lips are his "style" as well. When we're dealing with other hands on the artwork, it is the proportions of the figures that give me something to work with in identifying underlying Baker pencils. I also think it's different for different artists. If you see a hallmark with the ears, great! Baker very much drew mouths, at least on the women, as a rounded square with no teeth lines, and doesn’t heavily shade hair if it’s long and wavy. He also draws noses as two dots, unless they’re looked at from certain angles. This all in mind, and just having looked at Jerry Bails’ Who’s Who which now makes it known to me that Baker did indeed draw covers for Fiction House from around 1947-1951, I’m willing to suggest that Baker at least drew Sheena’s face on these Jumbo covers I’ve just looked at for starters: Edited November 11, 2020 by Electricmastro MB1952 and Changer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorick Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 16 hours ago, Electricmastro said: I’m willing to suggest that Baker at least drew Sheena’s face on these Jumbo covers I’ve just looked at for starters: 106 is an interesting example as you have another woman's face on the cover bottom center. The two look nothing alike to my eyes. Only Sheena gets a Baker face?? Another problem is that these might just be swiped faces rather than Baker actually doing the pencil work. If I was Doolin, I'd probably swipe Baker too. MB1952 and Electricmastro 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Yorick Posted November 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2020 Here's another Baker box (but not nearly as fun to look at as the certified box with labels). pmpknface, Changer, sagii and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post szav Posted November 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2020 Courtesy of a boardie...not as hard to find in decent shape as it seemed a few years ago, the price run up on this has really flushed some nice copies out. It wasn't 2 or 3 years ago that I found and hoarded I think 6 copies of this in the VG range all for between 25-100$...fast forward a few flips later and those all have essentially paid for this now. Happy days. pmpknface, Joshua33, adamstrange and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagii Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 14 hours ago, szav said: Courtesy of a boardie...not as hard to find in decent shape as it seemed a few years ago, the price run up on this has really flushed some nice copies out. It wasn't 2 or 3 years ago that I found and hoarded I think 6 copies of this in the VG range all for between 25-100$...fast forward a few flips later and those all have essentially paid for this now. Happy days. Your list of keepers is becoming more and more stellar (if that's possible). Congrats! A stunner for sure szav 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief1332 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 16 hours ago, Yorick said: Here's another Baker box (but not nearly as fun to look at as the certified box with labels). That large square bound book towards the center.. could we see that one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yorick Posted November 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Chief1332 said: That large square bound book towards the center.. could we see that one? You mean the two I've put face-to-face (in an attempt to keep the spines from getting smushed - I think I may be causing some spine roll now)? Yeah, I can get those out. Two Giant Editions romance covers. Not sure what the other large ones before and after are... Probably a Pictorial Romance giant for one. Those books on the right (the front of the box) are the large format early issues of TAR. They take the whole box dimension, and this is a slab-book sized box. I did take a photo of the last few in the back... some partial Baker covers. People seem to like those. comicnoir, Chief1332, Joshua33 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joshua33 Posted November 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2020 My newest Baker comicnoir, Changer, Microbia and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yorick Posted November 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Chief1332 said: That large square bound book towards the center These Giant Editions are four books rebound, but the 100 pagers are only three. Chief1332, adamstrange, Funnybooks and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief1332 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 lol... boxes of Baker's. And I've purchased my third M Baker book. PeterPark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szav Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 6 hours ago, Joshua33 said: My newest Baker Great lookin 5.5 there! Joshua33 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB1952 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Yorick said: These Giant Editions are four books rebound, but the 100 pagers are only three. Edited November 15, 2020 by MB1952 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB1952 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) Yorick GCE#15 my old copy. CGC 4.5 coming up on HA. Edited November 15, 2020 by MB1952 Yorick and comicnoir 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...