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[manetteska]

2 hours ago, LDarkseid1 said:

Now a 3.0 sells for about the same as that 4.0 😳😳😳😳😳

And people know these are second prints, right?

[Subby1938]

8 hours ago, LDarkseid1 said:

People buy books, sell them, buy new ones again and resell all the time. If a book gets too expensive then it will sit and never sell. While other comparable calls sell in the process. That’s not some massive scheme though. Collectors who want TMNT 1’s are just as much to blame for its meteoric rise as much as dealers buying them to flip. That’s not a scheme though and there’s nothing wrong with it. I can tell you have some very negative feelings for whatever reason, I don’t share them personally. Anyway, I don’t think you have any more proof of anything than the next person, just a theory. And I don’t think anyone will be priced out of this industry. People younger and older will always have money to spend.

We are not talking hundreds of dollars anymore but thousands . I highly doubt this appetite can continue in healthy way . There are wealthy people no doubt are they buying these all up ? 
 

print run 1st 3000

second run 6000

third run 30000

 

even at the two first printings there are 9000 copies out there . Where are they ? There are rarer variants today with print runs under 500 that don’t see these ludicrous climbs. The fact it’s a key plays into price hikes wether justified or not . Two years ago TMNT 1 and Albedo 2 were attainable comics ? Then what happened ? Don’t say it was a new movie or cartoon that’s garbage . Nobody cares about turtles today or the samurai rabbit . It’s fact . Comics for both  barley sell I grew up in height of turtle mania . It was special and it’s shelf life is gone !

Im sure prices won’t come down you know why? The fat wallets that are buying these up for the next flip will dictate price again ! And again ! And again ! 

[Ryan.]

The TMNT merchandise machine has been really strong since Viacom bought the property. My kids, neither of which watch the cartoons or care about existing or future movies, still wear the shirts, play with the toys, own the backpacks, etc. The TMNT IP is still very much alive and maintaining positive mind share across several generations. 

I'm not saying that any of this explains the sudden price escalations in the comics. My general belief is that these increases are merely in line with industry trends these last few months. If people are willing to pay $9000 for a variant from ten years ago then paying $9000 for a blue chip key from 1984 really isn't a far stretch. 

With that said, the premise that "nobody cares" about the TMNT property, in and of itself, is not "fact". NECA, for example, has been making a lot of money from their premium action figure line for many years. Saying that current TMNT comic book sales is representative of their popularity is no different than saying the same of Spider-Man. If Disney canceled all Spider-Man comics, 99% of the character's fan base wouldn't even notice. 

[WolverineX]

How much is a first print 6.0 now? That's what I want.   Has that increased like the second prints?

[ghn999]

15 minutes ago, Wolverinex said:

How much is a first print 6.0 now? That's what I want.   Has that increased like the second prints?

Maybe 10G!

[ghn999]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-1-FIRST-PRINT-CGC-8-5/264837307360?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D225086%26meid%3Dbdee3304314148298a80f767a2df4e60%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D133495591381%26itm%3D264837307360%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109

Here a  TMNT 1st print 8.0 white Page

[pubmonkey]

7 hours ago, Subby1938 said:

Nobody cares about turtles today or the samurai rabbit . It’s fact .

That’s the most uninformed, naive, and or ridiculous thing posted in this thread. If you are simply reflecting that you do not like the turtles then please leave this thread and don’t post in our club anymore. You are not welcome.

before you leave please inform us of your favorite book so we can go and dump on it’s thread for no other reason than for being negative.

good day!

[LDarkseid1]

8 hours ago, manetteska said:

And people know these are second prints, right?

No they don’t, everyone just thinks they’re first prints!!!  

[WolverineX]

20 minutes ago, ghn999 said:

Maybe 10G!

Wow have we hit  1600 per point?

[ghn999]

Just now, Wolverinex said:

Wow have we hit  1600 per point?

I sure hope so unless it price manipulation. 

[LDarkseid1]

14 minutes ago, pubmonkey said:

That’s the most uninformed, naive, and or ridiculous thing posted in this thread. If you are simply reflecting that you do not like the turtles then please leave this thread and don’t post in our club anymore. You are not welcome.

before you leave please inform us of your favorite book so we can go and dump on it’s thread for no other reason than for being negative.

good day!

Yeah this guy just seems to have an agenda from what I can tell. Dear Subby, you have no proof of your conspiracy theories and worst yet, they’re lacking in any real depth. 9 thousand copies for the first two prints is NOTHING! You know where they are? Predominantly in collectors collections, with some collectors, dealers and flippers selling in the process. You do seem to have a nauseating hatred for the turtles and now that cute bunny Albedo 🤦‍♂️.

Edited August 24, 2020 by LDarkseid1

[LDarkseid1]

24 minutes ago, ghn999 said:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-1-FIRST-PRINT-CGC-8-5/264837307360?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D225086%26meid%3Dbdee3304314148298a80f767a2df4e60%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D133495591381%26itm%3D264837307360%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109

Here a  TMNT 1st print 8.0 white Page

Minor correction, it’s an 8.5.

Edited August 24, 2020 by LDarkseid1

[ghn999]

2 minutes ago, LDarkseid1 said:

Minor correction, it’s an 8.5.

My bad!

[LDarkseid1]

12 minutes ago, ghn999 said:

My bad!

[oakman29]

12 hours ago, LDarkseid1 said:

Now a 3.0 sells for about the same as that 4.0 😳😳😳😳😳

What! ? 

[Keys_Collector]

1 hour ago, LDarkseid1 said:

You do seem to have a nauseating hatred for the turtles and now that cute bunny Albedo 🤦‍♂️.

Some people just love to hate what they don't like or understand.  Sadly it's become human nature of ignorance and frankly, It's quite silly.  It's like the turtles ninja kicked him in the gonads or something and he has a personal mission to tear down their popularity.  Pretty easy to see how the Turtles are still popular today if you open your eyes and listen (actively listen) to what others say about them.

[Subby1938]

3 hours ago, pubmonkey said:

That’s the most uninformed, naive, and or ridiculous thing posted in this thread. If you are simply reflecting that you do not like the turtles then please leave this thread and don’t post in our club anymore. You are not welcome.

before you leave please inform us of your favorite book so we can go and dump on it’s thread for no other reason than for being negative.

good day!

I can post wherever I want . I’ve owned all these books so I’m more than educated in price and opinion . Who are you to tell me I’m not allowed . 

[valiantman]

5 hours ago, Ryan. said:

If people are willing to pay $9000 for a variant from ten years ago then paying $9000 for a blue chip key from 1984 really isn't a far stretch. 

This is a major factor.  Collectors/investors who have not spent decades in a hobby/industry don't have any pre-conceived notions about pricing.  When you see a recent comic selling for $5,000+, you might start with that fact... ask yourself what to expect an older key issue to cost... and if you think "well, it should probably $25,000+ for a key issue, since that nothing book is $5,000+" then you would quickly jump on a key issue for $15,000 when you figured it would be $25,000+.  It doesn't matter if the $15,000 book was $5,000 last year.  You either sit back and wait for the price to drop, or you get in there at $15,000 because you "valued it" (in your mind) at $25,000+ first.

[LDarkseid1]

55 minutes ago, Subby1938 said:

I can post wherever I want . I’ve owned all these books so I’m more than educated in price and opinion . Who are you to tell me I’m not allowed . 

 

[TMNT]

This book, like most TMNT collectibles (comics, comic art, toys, etc.) has been undervalued for years. So it makes sense that at some point prices would increase. To those that think its completely due to market manipulation, I think you're wrong. There is legit demand. But to those that think its just demand, you're wrong too. There is absolutely at least some manipulation going on when you have any item (be it a stock, comic book, etc.) that has seen the amounts market gyrations going on that we've seen lately. And with a book like this, where there are only a few hundred graded out there, it'd be relatively easy to do. Without a doubt there are a number of speculators on this book (including people here on the boards) that are also taking part in moving the needle buy buying multiples of the book at any price. 

So what is going on here? Is it because of the "rule of 30" where it being a 36 year book and it was due to a nostalgic increase Maybe, but it was just a 35 year book and we didn't see this going on, even with a fresh comic and tv show. Is it because of Seth Rogen movie hype? Puhlease...no one knows about this or cares and again, we've not seen anything like this with previous big movies. It's not like its about to hit theaters anytime soon. Is it due to limited print run? Well, it's ALWAYS had a limited print, nothing new there. In fact, there are MORE books available now at all grades than there has been before. Perhaps a combination of the above or something else?

So what else has been going on in tandem with this book's meteoric rise? There really is only one thing: Covid. Other investments across the board are seeing record highs as well. People still with jobs are making more money than ever in the markets. And collectibles are on fire as people harken back to the good ole' days and try to buy pieces of their childhood back when things were simpler and maskedless. So that for me is the real wildcard in all this, when Covid ends or gets under control and people can leave their house and  start spending money on vacations, experiences, etc. will this book stay on fire?

I would've expected to see an increase...but not like this. Not where every book in every grade is nearing 5 figures roughly over night. When 4.0 2nd prints are suddenly 1K+ books. Anything in excess, whether too much ice cream or sudden $10,000 shifts in funny books, is generally never a good idea. So where the dust settles will be interesting to see.