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[jimjum12]

Young Allies  ........ so maybe they are entry level Timely's ....... but they're cool..... cover to cover...... GOD BLESS....

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

 

[walclark]

3 hours ago, Black_Adam said:

The black logo isn't the only thing that stands out. Who is the character in the bottom right supposed to be? I thought racial stereotypes were reserved for the bad guys in the Golden Age?

 

 

It is Whitewash Jones.  Yeah, it was a different time.

 

[Black_Adam]

Whitewash Jones - who can make a harmonica talk and watermelons disappear! And fat-shaming poor Tubby Tinkle

It was a different time, but I'm sure the day will come when future generations will look at the highly-eroticized modern variant covers which are basically thinly veiled pornography and wonder what the current crop of comic creators were thinking...

[Sqeggs]

7 hours ago, Black_Adam said:

8 hours ago, Timely said:

I don't think Young Allies gets enough attention.  They have really cool covers!   Issues #1-5 have Captain America in it.  The covers are mostly Schomburg with some Simon & Kirby.  I think they are cool, & very affordable compared to Captain America Comics & Marvel Mystery Comics.

 

YA #1 has Hitler & Red Skull getting knocked out.  It is also the 1st meeting between Captain America & the Human Torch! Simon & Kirby cover.

 

This used to be the Highest Graded Copy, but others got pressed higher.  Still pretty darn nice!

 

 

Awesome Red Skull cover. Love the double KO!

Would have been a triple KO if they hadn't redrawn it to eliminate Stalin after Germany invaded the Soviet Union.

@Timely Sensational run of books! 

[Cat-Man_America]

4 hours ago, Black_Adam said:

Whitewash Jones - who can make a harmonica talk and watermelons disappear! And fat-shaming poor Tubby Tinkle

It was a different time, but I'm sure the day will come when future generations will look at the highly-eroticized modern variant covers which are basically thinly veiled pornography and wonder what the current crop of comic creators were thinking...

 

True, point well taken, but if our society placed a greater premium on teaching students about history and civics, there'd be no need to wonder what prior generations were thinking.

While I'd agree that elements of GA characterization intended as comic relief are dehumanizing and indefensible in contemporary society, I'd just as quickly defend the work as a product of it's time.  Context is inarguably crucial to critical thinking.  Bear with me on this as I dig into this subject a little deeper.

Negative stereotypes should always be taken in the context of when they were created.  It doesn't matter whether we're discussing novels authored by Mark Twain such as Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn or illustrated characters created by Joe Simon & Jack Kirby.  While it's entirely fair to judge the failings of society and indisputable evils of segregation, it's unfair to ascribe personal motivations to artists and writers of the past without taking into account their experiences and the peer attitudes which influenced the culture of the time. 

As a lifelong student of comics in our evolving culture, there are certain depictions that I find deplorable and therefor unacceptable in respect to my own collecting.  Where I draw the line is exaggerated racial stereotypes serving as comic relief with a couple of noteable exceptions: Chop-Chop (Military/Blackhawk) and Ebony in Will Eisner's Spirit.  These are borderline cases.  While Chop-Chop and Ebony were obviously intended as comic relief, these characters were humanized and given greater depth at odds with the stereotypes.  

Characters which are featured on a cover or in a story strictly for laughs, depicted as cowardly, ignorant and/or shiftless strictly because of their race, ...well, that just isn't my cuppa.  Rule of thumb: If it makes me wince, it isn't in my collection.

Conversely, I have no qualms about collecting war propaganda comics that depict an opposing military force in unflattering ways that occasionally extend to racial stereotypes.  If that comes across as a contradiction, well, so be it.  From my perspective there's a big difference in portraying wartime foes in a manner that is threatening and evil.  Nazis in WWII were often depicted as merciless brutes with shaved heads, Japanese as sneaky and yellow (cowardly?) after Pearl Harbor with exaggerated facial features such as buck teeth, slanted eyes and glasses (poor eyesight).  While war propaganda often utilizes racist elements it also has a very firm grasp of the public sentiment of the era to provide historical context.

History has great instructional value for every succeeding generation, IMO.  I think the oft-quoted philosopher Georges Santayana would concur.

Sorry 'bout the length of this, but this needed a bit more fleshing out.

Edited April 19, 2017 by Cat-Man_America
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[Timely]

Love me some Mystic Comics!

 

 

[tabcom]

C-M_A articulates what I would assume nearly everyone here would agree with.

Fortunately, the mental illness that is Social Justice Warriors hasn't tainted the water supply amongst us into believing we are perpatrators of whitesplaining or enablers of cultural appropriation.

 

 

 

[Black_Adam]

Well said, CMA, with a thought-provoking perspective on the subject. I'd honestly never heard of Whitewash Jones or Tubby Tinkle (or Chop Chop or Ebony) until I found this thread. And I had to google Social Justice Warrior and white-splainin' to learn what they meant.

Now, let's see some more terrific Timelys

[batman_fan]

11 hours ago, Timely said:

I saw this copy raw back in 1999 or so.  It's probably one of the best looking Timely's I've seen.  The yellow inks just fly off this copy!

 

 

I love this cover 

[Timely]

On 4/19/2017 at 6:33 PM, Black_Adam said:

Well said, CMA, with a thought-provoking perspective on the subject. I'd honestly never heard of Whitewash Jones or Tubby Tinkle (or Chop Chop or Ebony) until I found this thread. And I had to google Social Justice Warrior and white-splainin' to learn what they meant.

Now, let's see some more terrific Timelys

Yes, let's see some more terrific Timelys!

 

 

 

 

Edited April 24, 2017 by Timely

[Badger]

On 4/17/2017 at 7:36 PM, Ltpink2002 said:

Very nice!  One of my all-time favorites!

[jimjum12]

On ‎4‎/‎20‎/‎2017 at 7:53 AM, Timely said:

Yes, let's see some more terrific Timelys!

 

 

 

 

Here you go...... a few pages from the interior of a yucky Young Allies ............. GOD BLESS...

-jimbo(A friend of jesus)

[ender]

On 4/19/2017 at 3:25 PM, Cat-Man_America said:

 

True, point well taken, but if our society placed a greater premium on teaching students about history and civics, there'd be no need to wonder what prior generations were thinking.

While I'd agree that elements of GA characterization intended as comic relief are dehumanizing and indefensible in contemporary society, I'd just as quickly defend the work as a product of it's time.  Context is inarguably crucial to critical thinking.  Bear with me on this as I dig into this subject a little deeper.

Negative stereotypes should always be taken in the context of when they were created.  It doesn't matter whether we're discussing novels authored by Mark Twain such as Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn or illustrated characters created by Joe Simon & Jack Kirby.  While it's entirely fair to judge the failings of society and indisputable evils of segregation, it's unfair to ascribe personal motivations to artists and writers of the past without taking into account their experiences and the peer attitudes which influenced the culture of the time. 

As a lifelong student of comics in our evolving culture, there are certain depictions that I find deplorable and therefor unacceptable in respect to my own collecting.  Where I draw the line is exaggerated racial stereotypes serving as comic relief with a couple of noteable exceptions: Chop-Chop (Military/Blackhawk) and Ebony in Will Eisner's Spirit.  These are borderline cases.  While Chop-Chop and Ebony were obviously intended as comic relief, these characters were humanized and given greater depth at odds with the stereotypes.  

Characters which are featured on a cover or in a story strictly for laughs, depicted as cowardly, ignorant and/or shiftless strictly because of their race, ...well, that just isn't my cuppa.  Rule of thumb: If it makes me wince, it isn't in my collection.

Conversely, I have no qualms about collecting war propaganda comics that depict an opposing military force in unflattering ways that occasionally extend to racial stereotypes.  If that comes across as a contradiction, well, so be it.  From my perspective there's a big difference in portraying wartime foes in a manner that is threatening and evil.  Nazis in WWII were often depicted as merciless brutes with shaved heads, Japanese as sneaky and yellow (cowardly?) after Pearl Harbor with exaggerated facial features such as buck teeth, slanted eyes and glasses (poor eyesight).  While war propaganda often utilizes racist elements it also has a very firm grasp of the public sentiment of the era to provide historical context.

History has great instructional value for every succeeding generation, IMO.  I think the oft-quoted philosopher Georges Santayana would concur.

Sorry 'bout the length of this, but this needed a bit more fleshing out.

I think this is well stated and agree that one has to look at the social context of the time, but also not excusing the mistakes that many (if not all) societies have made in their assorted pasts.

[Robot Man]

7 hours ago, jimjum12 said:

Here you go...... a few pages from the interior of a yucky Young Allies ............. GOD BLESS...

-jimbo(A friend of jesus)

Ain't nuthin "yucky" about that. I actually like the Young Allies. Some of them represent Timely at it's peak.

[ender]

I have very few Timelys, but here is one.  Not in high grade, actually quite low, but it is some early Simon and Kirby goodness.

[jimjum12]

3 hours ago, Robot Man said:

Ain't nuthin "yucky" about that. I actually like the Young Allies. Some of them represent Timely at it's peak.

It was a joke..... I like them as well..... some really "over the top" stuff in that title. That's the only one I have but I'd be up for adding more. Every one I've ever seen was equally neat. GOD BLESS...

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

[gino2paulus2]

Anyone interested in a low grade Classic Cover Timely group shot?!! It's been awhile for me I was excited to break em out'!!

 

 

[Sqeggs]

1 hour ago, gino2paulus2 said:

Anyone interested in a low grade Classic Cover Timely group shot?!! It's been awhile for me I was excited to break em out'!!

 

 

Nice set! 

[batman_fan]

If I was one of those artist that did reproduction covers, I would switch to doing Timely splash pages. 

[gino2paulus2]

1 hour ago, Sqeggs said:

Nice set! 

Thanks T!!!!