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RockMyAmadeus Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 If you give me a concrete set of Copper years, beginning and end, I'll give you the keys, semi-keys, and issues of note. I would say 1984-1992 Starting with Secret Wars/ASM #252 That's a very easy time period. In alphabetical order , after "status*": Major keys: Albedo #2 Amazing Spiderman #300 Bone #1 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 Keys: Albedo #0, all firsts Albedo #1, 1st & 2nd Alf #48 Amazing Spiderman #252, 293, 294, 298, 299, 312, 316, 361 Batman #366, 368, 400, 404-407, 417-420, 426-429 Batman: The Dark Knight #1-4 Batman: The Killing Joke Bone #2-8 Caliber Presents #1 Captain America #332, Annual #8 Crisis On Infinite Earths #7, 8 Crow #1-4 Cry for Dawn #1, #3 Horror, #5-8 Limited Daredevil #227, 254 Detective Comics #575-578 Faust #1 Limited Flaming Carrot #1 GI Joe #21 Gobbledygook #1, 2 Harbinger #0 Pink Harbinger #1 I,Lusiphur #1, 3 Incredible Hulk #330, 340 Justice League #3 Variant Magnus Robot Fighter #0 Miracleman #1 Gold, 1 Blue, 10-23 New Mutants #87, 98 Punisher Limited Series #1-5 Rai #3, 4 Sandman #1, 8 (both) Secret Wars #8 Solar #10 Spiderman #1 Platinum Spiderman #1 Gold UPC Spiderman vs. Wolverine #1 Star Wars #107 Superman #75 Swamp Thing #20, 21, 37 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #2 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #3 variant Tick Special Edition #1, 2 Tick #1 Transformers #76-80 Uncanny X-Men #201, 205, 210-213, 244, 248, 266, 268, 297 Gold, 303 Gold, 307 Gold Unity #0 Red Watchmen #1-12 Wolverine #10 X-Men #11 Silver/Platinum Semi-Keys: Albedo #0 Second Albedo #4 Aliens #1, 2 Alpha Flight #51 Action Comics #583 Amazing Spiderman #249-251, 253, 265, 285, 289, 301-311, 313-325, 328, 330, 331, 344, 345, 362, 363, Annual #21 (both) Animal Man #1, 5 Batman #436, 442, 457, 488 Batman: Sword of Azrael #1-4 Batman: Vengeance of Bane #1 Bone #9, 10 Captain America #333, 334 Crisis On Infinite Earths #1, 12 Cry For Dawn #2-8, #4 Limited Daredevil #228-233, 238, 241, 248, 249. 257 Dark Horse Presents #24 Dark Horse 5th Anniversary Special Death Rattle #8 Detective Comics #535, 569. 570, 572, 574, 598-600 Doom Patrol #19 Ewoks #1-14 Fantastic Four #320, #347-349 Faust #1, 2 Flaming Carrot #2-5 Flash #350, 1 Firestorm #61 Variant Ghost Rider #1 GI Joe #26, 27, 93-96 Green Lantern #195 Green Lantern Emerald Dawn #1 Grendel #40 Groo Special Edition #1 Harbinger #2-6 Hellblazer #1, 27 Incredible Hulk #324, 331-334, 336-339, 341-346, 350, 367, 377 Infinity, Inc. #14 I, Lusiphur #2, 4-7 Iron Man #225 Justice League #1 Legion of Superheroes #37, 38 Longshot #1-6 Mage #1, 6 Magnus #1, 5, 12 Marvel Team-Up #141 Megaton #3, 8, Explosion Miracleman #1-9 New Mutants #86, 88, 93-97, 100 New Teen Titans #44 Omega #1 Limited Predator #1 Primer #5 Punisher #1, 10 Rai #1, 2, 5 Robotech: Macross #1 Sandman #2-7, 21, 22 Silver Surfer #15, 34, 35 Solar #1 Spawn #1 Spectacular Spiderman #90, 131, 132, 158 Star Wars #100-106 Superman #423, 50, 74 Superman: Man of Steel #17, 18 Swamp Thing #22-25, 34, 38-40, Annual #2 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 2nd, #3, 4 Tick #2 Thor #412 Transformers #1, 70-75 V For Vendetta #1-12 Uncanny X-Men #221, 222, 225-227, 234, 256-258, 267, 269, 270-277, 281, 282, 283, Annual #9. 10, 14 Web of Spiderman #1, 18, 29, 31, 32 Wolverine #1 X-O Manowar #1, 4 X-Factor #6, 24 Issues of note: Action Comics #584, 598, 683, 684 Adventures of Superman #463, 496. 497 Airboy #5 Akira #1 Albedo #3 Aliens #3-6, Vol 2 1-4 Aliens vs. Predator #1 All-Star Squadron #47 Alpha Flight #13, 17, 33, 34, 52, 53, 87-90, 106 Amazing Spiderman #254-261, 274, 275, 276, 281, 284, 327, 329, 346, 347, 359, 360 Animal Man #2-4 Avengers #263, 329 Batman #408-410, 416, 423, 433-435, 437-441, 450, 451, 465, 489-492 Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight #1 Bone #1 2nd Caliber Presents #2, 15 Caliber Christmas Special Captain America #300, 323, 328, 335-350, 366, 383 Cerebus #147, 161 Crisis On Infinite Earths #2-6, 9-11 Daredevil #219, 236 Dark Horse Presents #1, 10, 34-36, 51-62 Defenders #152 Detective Comics #566, 604-607 Doom Patrol #20-25 Elektra Assassin #1-8 Excalibur Special Excalibur #1, 57, 58 Fantastic Four #250-292, 296, 321, 325, 358 Flaming Carrot #6-15 GI Joe #60 Ghost Rider #2-6, 15 Green Arrow Long Bow Hunters #1-3 Green Arrow #1 Green Hornet #1 Green Lantern #194, 200, 224 Green Lantern Emerald Dawn #2-6 Grendel #35-39 Groo #29 Hellblazer #2-10, 25, 26, 40-50 Incredible Hulk #300, 314, 327, 348, 368-376, 379, 400 Infinity, Inc #15-37, Annual #1 Iron Man #191, 192, 200, 226-232, 244, 250, 282, 283 Justice League #2-7, 18, 19 Kitty Pryde & Wolverine #1 Legends #6 L.E.G.I.O.N. #4 Mage #2-5, 7-15 Magnus Robot Fighter #2-4, 6-11 Marvel Team-Up #150 New Mutants #85, 89-92, 99, Special Edition #1 New Teen titans #34, 39, 42, 43, Annual #3 New Teen Titans #1 (Baxter) New Titans #50-54, 60, 61 New Warriors #1 The Nam #1 Nick Fury vs. Shield #1-6 Omega #1 Omega Men #37 Poison Elves #8-10 (Mulehide) Predator #2-4 Punisher #2-5, 8, 9 Punisher War Journal #1, 6, 7 Robin #1 Rocketeer Special Edition #1 Rocketeer Adventure Magazine #1 Rom #75 Rust #12 Sandman #9-20, 23-45 Shadowman #1-3 Silver Surfer #1, 36-50, 75 Spawn #2-4 Spectacular Spiderman #116, 119, 141-143, 159-160 Solar #2-9, 11 Star Wars #80-99 Superman #1, 9, 73, 74 Superman Man of Steel #19 Swamp Thing #26-33, 35, 36, 41-64, 84 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 3rd, #2 2nd, #5-8 Tick #3-8 Thor #350-384, 411 Web of Spiderman #30, 38, 48, 59. 60, Annual #2 West Coast Avengers #1-4 Wolverine #2-9, 17, 41, 42 Wonder Woman #329, 1 X-Factor #1, 5, 40, 41, 42 X-O Manowar #2, 3, 5, 6 * How I determine "status": recognition + popularity of book + popularity of character + value. Not everyone may agree with all placing, but it will be close. Books that are expensive, but not necessarily recognized (like Albedo #0 first printing variants) aren't going to be "major keys" and so forth. Likewise, a book may not necessarily be very expensive, but may be immensely popular, to be considered a "key" (a la X-Men #248.) Status can and has changed over the years. (if you see an issue missing, check the date range given. It might fall out of that range.) Did I forget anything....? Legion HQ and STORMSHADOW_80 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonds25 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Dark Horse Presents #1 - first Concrete Dark Horse Presents #50?( #51?) - first Sin City These 2 should at least be "semi-keys" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Diggler Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 (thumbs u Nice list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Master Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 If you give me a concrete set of Copper years, beginning and end, I'll give you the keys, semi-keys, and issues of note. I would say 1984-1992 Starting with Secret Wars/ASM #252 That's a very easy time period. In alphabetical order , after "status*": Major keys: Albedo #2 Amazing Spiderman #300 Bone #1 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 Keys: Albedo #0, all firsts Albedo #1, 1st & 2nd Alf #48 Amazing Spiderman #252, 293, 294, 298, 299, 312, 316, 361 Batman #366, 368, 400, 404-407, 417-420, 426-429 Batman: The Dark Knight #1-4 Batman: The Killing Joke Bone #2-8 Caliber Presents #1 Captain America #332, Annual #8 Crisis On Infinite Earths #7, 8 Crow #1-4 Cry for Dawn #1, #3 Horror, #5-8 Limited Daredevil #227, 254 Detective Comics #575-578 Faust #1 Limited Flaming Carrot #1 GI Joe #21 Gobbledygook #1, 2 Harbinger #0 Pink Harbinger #1 I,Lusiphur #1, 3 Incredible Hulk #330, 340 Justice League #3 Variant Magnus Robot Fighter #0 Miracleman #1 Gold, 1 Blue, 10-23 New Mutants #87, 98 Punisher Limited Series #1-5 Rai #3, 4 Sandman #1, 8 (both) Secret Wars #8 Solar #10 Spiderman #1 Platinum Spiderman #1 Gold UPC Spiderman vs. Wolverine #1 Star Wars #107 Superman #75 Swamp Thing #20, 21, 37 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #2 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #3 variant Tick Special Edition #1, 2 Tick #1 Transformers #76-80 Uncanny X-Men #201, 205, 210-213, 244, 248, 266, 268, 297 Gold, 303 Gold, 307 Gold Unity #0 Red Watchmen #1-12 Wolverine #10 X-Men #11 Silver/Platinum Semi-Keys: Albedo #0 Second Albedo #4 Aliens #1, 2 Alpha Flight #51 Action Comics #583 Amazing Spiderman #249-251, 253, 265, 285, 289, 301-311, 313-325, 328, 330, 331, 344, 345, 362, 363, Annual #21 (both) Animal Man #1, 5 Batman #436, 442, 457, 488 Batman: Sword of Azrael #1-4 Batman: Vengeance of Bane #1 Bone #9, 10 Captain America #333, 334 Crisis On Infinite Earths #1, 12 Cry For Dawn #2-8, #4 Limited Daredevil #228-233, 238, 241, 248, 249. 257 Dark Horse Presents #24 Dark Horse 5th Anniversary Special Death Rattle #8 Detective Comics #535, 569. 570, 572, 574, 598-600 Doom Patrol #19 Ewoks #1-14 Fantastic Four #320, #347-349 Faust #1, 2 Flaming Carrot #2-5 Flash #350, 1 Firestorm #61 Variant Ghost Rider #1 GI Joe #26, 27, 93-96 Green Lantern #195 Green Lantern Emerald Dawn #1 Grendel #40 Groo Special Edition #1 Harbinger #2-6 Hellblazer #1, 27 Incredible Hulk #324, 331-334, 336-339, 341-346, 350, 367, 377 Infinity, Inc. #14 I, Lusiphur #2, 4-7 Iron Man #225 Justice League #1 Legion of Superheroes #37, 38 Longshot #1-6 Mage #1, 6 Magnus #1, 5, 12 Marvel Team-Up #141 Megaton #3, 8, Explosion Miracleman #1-9 New Mutants #86, 88, 93-97, 100 New Teen Titans #44 Omega #1 Limited Predator #1 Primer #5 Punisher #1, 10 Rai #1, 2, 5 Robotech: Macross #1 Sandman #2-7, 21, 22 Silver Surfer #15, 34, 35 Solar #1 Spawn #1 Spectacular Spiderman #90, 131, 132, 158 Star Wars #100-106 Superman #423, 50, 74 Superman: Man of Steel #17, 18 Swamp Thing #22-25, 34, 38-40, Annual #2 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 2nd, #3, 4 Tick #2 Thor #412 Transformers #1, 70-75 V For Vendetta #1-12 Uncanny X-Men #221, 222, 225-227, 234, 256-258, 267, 269, 270-277, 281, 282, 283, Annual #9. 10, 14 Web of Spiderman #1, 18, 29, 31, 32 Wolverine #1 X-O Manowar #1, 4 X-Factor #6, 24 Issues of note: Action Comics #584, 598, 683, 684 Adventures of Superman #463, 496. 497 Airboy #5 Akira #1 Albedo #3 Aliens #3-6, Vol 2 1-4 Aliens vs. Predator #1 All-Star Squadron #47 Alpha Flight #13, 17, 33, 34, 52, 53, 87-90, 106 Amazing Spiderman #254-261, 274, 275, 276, 281, 284, 327, 329, 346, 347, 359, 360 Animal Man #2-4 Avengers #263, 329 Batman #408-410, 416, 423, 433-435, 437-441, 450, 451, 465, 489-492 Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight #1 Bone #1 2nd Caliber Presents #2, 15 Caliber Christmas Special Captain America #300, 323, 328, 335-350, 366, 383 Cerebus #147, 161 Crisis On Infinite Earths #2-6, 9-11 Daredevil #219, 236 Dark Horse Presents #1, 10, 34-36, 51-62 Defenders #152 Detective Comics #566, 604-607 Doom Patrol #20-25 Elektra Assassin #1-8 Excalibur Special Excalibur #1, 57, 58 Fantastic Four #250-292, 296, 321, 325, 358 Flaming Carrot #6-15 GI Joe #60 Ghost Rider #2-6, 15 Green Arrow Long Bow Hunters #1-3 Green Arrow #1 Green Hornet #1 Green Lantern #194, 200, 224 Green Lantern Emerald Dawn #2-6 Grendel #35-39 Groo #29 Hellblazer #2-10, 25, 26, 40-50 Incredible Hulk #300, 314, 327, 348, 368-376, 379, 400 Infinity, Inc #15-37, Annual #1 Iron Man #191, 192, 200, 226-232, 244, 250, 282, 283 Justice League #2-7, 18, 19 Kitty Pryde & Wolverine #1 Legends #6 L.E.G.I.O.N. #4 Mage #2-5, 7-15 Magnus Robot Fighter #2-4, 6-11 Marvel Team-Up #150 New Mutants #85, 89-92, 99, Special Edition #1 New Teen titans #34, 39, 42, 43, Annual #3 New Teen Titans #1 (Baxter) New Titans #50-54, 60, 61 New Warriors #1 The Nam #1 Nick Fury vs. Shield #1-6 Omega #1 Omega Men #37 Poison Elves #8-10 (Mulehide) Predator #2-4 Punisher #2-5, 8, 9 Punisher War Journal #1, 6, 7 Robin #1 Rocketeer Special Edition #1 Rocketeer Adventure Magazine #1 Rom #75 Rust #12 Sandman #9-20, 23-45 Shadowman #1-3 Silver Surfer #1, 36-50, 75 Spawn #2-4 Spectacular Spiderman #116, 119, 141-143, 159-160 Solar #2-9, 11 Star Wars #80-99 Superman #1, 9, 73, 74 Superman Man of Steel #19 Swamp Thing #26-33, 35, 36, 41-64, 84 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 3rd, #2 2nd, #5-8 Tick #3-8 Thor #350-384, 411 Web of Spiderman #30, 38, 48, 59. 60, Annual #2 West Coast Avengers #1-4 Wolverine #2-9, 17, 41, 42 Wonder Woman #329, 1 X-Factor #1, 5, 40, 41, 42 X-O Manowar #2, 3, 5, 6 * How I determine "status": recognition + popularity of book + popularity of character + value. Not everyone may agree with all placing, but it will be close. Books that are expensive, but not necessarily recognized (like Albedo #0 first printing variants) aren't going to be "major keys" and so forth. Likewise, a book may not necessarily be very expensive, but may be immensely popular, to be considered a "key" (a la X-Men #248.) Status can and has changed over the years. (if you see an issue missing, check the date range given. It might fall out of that range.) Did I forget anything....? Holy ! I'm impressed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Megaton #3 (thumbs u I hear that CGC 9.8's are starting to flood the market soon on this book, with CGC 9.6s right behind it. Not sure who I heard that from though. Still, a great book to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGGIEZ Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Megaton #3 (thumbs u I hear that CGC 9.8's are starting to flood the market soon on this book, with CGC 9.6s right behind it. Not sure who I heard that from though. Still, a great book to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 What about these semi-keys? 1) Starslayer 2-3 (1st Rocketeer) 2) Destroyer Duck 1 (1st Groo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_collector Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I think there should be a category between Major Keys and Keys, for stuff like X-Men 266 and New Mutants 87. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakman29 Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 That is one impressive list.I will have to thumb through it and find out what books I do have,and search for the ones I don't have (thumbs u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanfingh Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 (edited) That list is tight. It looks like primer 2 is missing, though. There are some super esoteric books missing, like Visions 1 and 2, Quadrant 1 etc. Overall an excellent list. Edit: Visions is too early for this list and Quadrant is a magazine so I really may not have anything to add. Tried to see if he missed 1st Xenozoic Tales or 1st app of the Mask, but RMA is on it! Edited June 2, 2009 by seanfingh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakaridis Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 I think there should be a category between Major Keys and Keys, for stuff like X-Men 266 and New Mutants 87. I agree with JC. Some books from the "Keys" list should be broken out. All in all, an excellent list, though. (thumbs u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 I think there should be a category between Major Keys and Keys, for stuff like X-Men 266 and New Mutants 87. yeah, I think there might be some call for that. Harbinger #1 isn't a major key, but it's much more of a key than New Mutants #98. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 That list is tight. It looks like primer 2 is missing, though. There are some super esoteric books missing, like Visions 1 and 2, Quadrant 1 etc. Overall an excellent list. Edit: Visions is too early for this list and Quadrant is a magazine so I really may not have anything to add. Tried to see if he missed 1st Xenozoic Tales or 1st app of the Mask, but RMA is on it! Primer #2 is a a 1982 book. Quadrant #1 is a 1983 book. Parameters were 1984-1992. (and I didn't include magazines, or Epic Illustrated #25-34 would be on the list. I also didn't include Taboo on purpose, but I probably should.) What kind of amateur do you think I am...? oooo....I DID miss some books. Creatures of the Id #1 - Semi-Key Grafik Musik #1-4 - Issues of note Graphique Musique #1-4 - Issues of note Madman #1-3 - Issues of note Madman Adventures #1 - Issue of note (I forgot all about poor ol' Frank Einstein!) Mayhem #1-4 - Issues of note Silverback #1-3 - issues of note (I actually thought about these, they should be on the list.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 I'll give someone a beat up copy of New Mutants #98 or #87, whatever I find, if they can come up with WHY all those issues are listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 If you give me a concrete set of Copper years, beginning and end, I'll give you the keys, semi-keys, and issues of note. Dazzler #1 to month prior to McSpidey #1. When I get around to it, I'll do 1980-1983, too. I can also do 1970-1979, and even Silver Age, but is a Silver Age list necessary? Doesn't everyone pretty much have the OPG for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Dark Horse Presents #1 - first Concrete Dark Horse Presents #50?( #51?) - first Sin City These 2 should at least be "semi-keys" #51 is the 2nd Sin City First Sin City is Dark Horse Presents Fifth Anniversary Special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakman29 Posted June 3, 2009 Author Share Posted June 3, 2009 Dark Horse Presents #1 - first Concrete Dark Horse Presents #50?( #51?) - first Sin City These 2 should at least be "semi-keys" #51 is the 2nd Sin City First Sin City is Dark Horse Presents Fifth Anniversary Special. (thumbs u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Dark Horse Presents #1 - first Concrete Dark Horse Presents #50?( #51?) - first Sin City These 2 should at least be "semi-keys" You know, I answered this yesterday, but I'm not sure where it went. :shrug: DHP #1 is in the "issues of note" section. There just isn't any demand for the book any more. DH 5th Anniversary Special (1st Sin City) is listed in semi-keys. DHP #51-62 are listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogami Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 If you give me a concrete set of Copper years, beginning and end, I'll give you the keys, semi-keys, and issues of note. I asked this in the other thread almost exactly like this one, but I thought TMNT 1 was the generally agreed upon first comic book of the Copper age (1984). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
