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Doc Joe   
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so where exactly are we a few years into collecting

 

Well, a few years after getting back into collecting here is where we stand. maybe 11 or 12 long boxes of raw books, some 2100 slabbed books.

 

Complete runs of the following in 9.8

Black Panther

Red sonja

Invaders (very tough at times)

Nova

Howard the Duck (very tough at times)

 

Complete runs in 9.8 or 9.6

Cat

Nick Fury (tough one)

Ms. Marvel

Submariner (tough one)

 

partial series runs complete

X-men 94 - 143 - all in 9.8 except for 94

Swamp Thing 1-24 all in 9.8 except for issue 19

 

Current Runs I am working on actively

Captain America 100-200 in 9.8 - only 27 more issues to go in 9.8 (!)

Spidey Super Stories in 9.6 and 9.8 - only 12 more books to go

Werewolf by Night in 9.8 (16 books to go) (Ok the GS books are not all 9.8, I know, and neither is 32)

 

My top 3 books I own (this week)?

thats really hard: All Negro Comics, Phantom Lady 17, Planet Comics 71

 

My Favorites that I own in general in no particular order:

Showcase 22, Showcase 45, Military 1, Ms Fury 1, Thunda 1, Famous funnies 1, Plastic Man 1, Four Color 74, My Run of Nick Furys as a whole, Real Life 3, Strange Adventures 99, Single Series 20, House of Secrets 92, Conan 1, Freak Brothers 1

 

Books I would most like to Own: Pogo Possum, 1, Katy Keene 1, Wonder Woman 1, Whiz 1, Hit Comics 1, Flash Comics 1

 

Books I would most like to upgrade: Planet comics 1, Crime Does not Pay 22, Our Army at War 81, Crime Suspenstories 22

 

What do I think about doing the most - delisting the books from the registry, seriously if it was not such a good way of keeping track of stuff then I would like to do that. I may delist the books I have complete runs of; something to think about.

 

In many ways the registry is silly but its also fun. However when you meet some of the guys out there with huge collections that do not use it, you realize how wacked the 'rankings' are.

 

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Bomber-Bob   
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Joe, thanks for sharing, good stuff and a great collection.

Just curious why you are considering delisting from the registry. It puzzles me ?

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Hey Bob,

 

Several reasons, the nature of the rankings, they are just weird, you think you have a nice collection of something out there, well there is someone with a better collection out there almost certainly. (thats obvious with the complete list of books, my collection is a joke compared to what people have out there), every 'Pedigree' out there if slabbed and listed well, it would blow all the top guys out of the water, so a ranking of number 11 (say) means nothing.

 

The re-scoring process that Gemma is undertaking highlights how random it is. We can all send her a message about what we would like changed, of course everyone wants their books boosted. Its sort of surreal, to compare collections in this random way. Sure at times its fun. But also destructive.....

 

I know people, at times myself, who have way over-spent in pursuit of a book for their registry, or to retain a #1 ranking. (or #6 ranking or whatever). Thats pretty silly when you think about it, always bearing in mind what other people have out there not listed.

 

Even worse...I have seen people with what I consider a fantastic run of books (not a complete run of books but an almost complete run of high grade hard to find beautiful books), and they have been enjoying their #1 ranked status. Clearly that meant something to them, indeed if you have spent years hunting for certain books, what you have put together does mean a lot to you, you have worked hard for that. Well, along comes someone else with one or two insane books in the run, you know how it goes. The person with one or two very high grade books, becomes number 1. The prior number 1 guy, now number two, who could not have afforded those crazy books anyway but sees a diminishment in the value of his set, gets sad, and indeed ends up selling the books off. Purely because they are now number 2. I think thats sad, and a detriment to the hobby. Of course there are charmers on the board that just thinks the now number 2 guy is a and should suck it up, but it clearly has affected them all because of some silly ranking system.

 

Furthermore the ranking system gets moved around completely when it comes to Sig Series stuff. I love Sig Series books - only from the point of view that it was a brilliant business move from CGC. Otherwise its someone drawing on your comic (OK I admit it my SS Thunda with Frazz Sig is cool, I saw a Russ Heath sig this weekend that was cool), but most of them, I dont dig it). It seems to be one of those preference things. Nevertheless CGC has determined that if a book is signed by someone it is now 'better' / 'more worthy' that a copy of the book in the same condition. To me that is rarely the case. Others get really excited about sig stuff, and I can understand that, its just the way it related back to the rankings.

 

So, I love the registry to see who has what, I love it to keep track of the collection, and I have yet to see anything better.

 

I think people get worked up about it, people are happy to move up, but less happy coming down. I think when I first listed my books I was 'ranked' something like 34, now I'm 11.

 

So if I am using the registry as a method to keep track of stuff, then I dont need it when I complete a run.

 

Does that make any sense at all?

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So if I am using the registry as a method to keep track of stuff, then I dont need it when I complete a run.

 

Does that make any sense at all?

 

I completely agree....I have steadily declined down the ranking as I removed many books or runs I either completed or don't care to pursue any longer.

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What do I think about doing the most - delisting the books from the registry, seriously if it was not such a good way of keeping track of stuff then I would like to do that. I may delist the books I have complete runs of; something to think about.

Joe, while the competition part of the registry is fun, it is ultimately pretty meaningless. There are plenty of great collections out there that aren't listed. But so what?

 

For me the great thing about the registry is connecting with other like-minded collectors. I like to see other people's collections. I like sharing mine. I like seeing your Sub-Mariner and Cap runs. (They would be better with scans though.)

 

Come on, man. Don't deprive the world of seeing your Spidey Super Stories collection. That would be criminal!

 

 

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I'm with Barton on this. If it weren't for the Registry, I'd likely have never met you or gotten to see the great runs of books you've put together. Listing or not listing is all your choice but I've taken more than a few moments to look through your sets and enjoyed seeing what you've put together.

 

The reformatting of points for the books really did jumble things up and really put a lot of emphasis on HG SA books. Whether good or bad, it's just another way of looking at things. Your BA collection stands head and shoulders above a lot of the higher valued SA sets. Besides, you are about to crack the top 10 any day now, which is really where your collection belongs.

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Have you ever thought about using the Registry for insurance purposes? It is a serial numbered, monitored and well documented device to register your valuables.

 

The insurance agencies say to take pictures / videos of your stuff; this is one step further.

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Even if you decide to de-list, others will continue to list and if you decided to check on the registry you will still see others listing the comics they love. The set I am striving to be #1 in is next to an impossibility, but I am still doing it. I have told the person before that is currently in a #1 that I am envious of his collection. I love seeing what other people are collecting. Out of everything you collect the only one I would be interested n would be the Sub-mariner serious, issue #34 more than anything else.

 

I love the aspect of the site that allows us to communicate through the journals' and through the message boards. Collect because you want to collect, because you have pride in your set. My greatest comic book is rated only a 4.5, and I want to get is signed. As for the signature series, I remember discussing years ago (before I collected these carbonite imprisoned items) CGC would only grade those comics as something other than the universal grade because they thought it was akin to a restored status (yea, and pressing isn't go figure).

 

Your collection is your collection, whether you have it listed or not. I for one would rather see you listed, see what you love or dislike about the hobby because this also gives me the opportunity to be awestruck into collecting collecting another particular issues. For some reason I have always likes the cover to Avengers #57, not to mention Tales to Astonish #95 (hoping I am thinking of the cover I like). Enjoy your collection for you, and you alone, but share it with us, because we appreciate it.

 

Thanks for Reading

 

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Thank you boys and girls, Im feeling the love and enjoying the idea of the journal. I have a lot of thoughts on issues comical. I plan to post them soon.

 

Here is issue 35, need to find my scan of 34

 

SubMariner35CGC98W_Oak1.jpg

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Thank you boys and girls, Im feeling the love and enjoying the idea of the journal. I have a lot of thoughts on issues comical. I plan to post them soon.

 

Here is issue 35, need to find my scan of 34

 

SubMariner35CGC98W_Oak1.jpg

 

Your killing me with that 35..yes lets see that 34...I've been searching for those two issues, in that grade for 10 yrs...great collection Doc Joe!!!

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34, hows this

 

SubMariner34.jpg

 

and while we are at it, lets not ignore these covers. Think of all the times Subbie gets a bad rap.

 

Submariner16.jpg

 

Submariner21.jpg

 

Submariner22.jpg

 

Submariner15.jpg

 

Submariner10.jpg

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Nice books as always, Joe. A few years ago, I gave a lot of thought into doing the Subby run. I decided against it. I'm glad I did, I really hate bidding against you.

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OK, more rantings from my mind. People see my collection and think WTF, your collection has all the focus of a hungover teenager who forgot his Provigil in a Latin class.

 

Its not, it has focus, albeit a wide one.

 

Let me summarize:

 

1) my kid books, what I read growing up. Yup, odd ball stuff, as you might guess.

- Spidey Super Stories - the first run I ever completed, I remember where I was when it happened, in that hotel opposite Madison Sq Garden in New York. They just had theiir show recently. I clearly remember the dealer said "always happy to help complete a run".

 

Wow, just to think who might have been there? Was Chuckie carrying around of box of pure white page golden age books trying to charge a whacked out price? Was Zurzolo there with tiny stand hustling a sale? Was Schmell there picking up a 9.8 Avengers, while offering to help a nice lady with her will? Who knows, I was there and I got my book.

 

I will be the first to admit it - it would never for a second in my mind occur to me to look for a spotless copy, a perfect copy, then to treat it like the Popes testicles, gentle and lovingly place them away from light, water, air whatever. Hells no, this book was for reading, what mattered was I had a complete run, why would you not read the comic?

 

Thank God for the total psycho children who had the foresight to treat their books like gold so I could buy them years later (at gold level prices).

 

So, Spidey Super Stories, then Nova, then Invaders.

 

Invaders I took very seriously, remember I am English (did you know that?), born in the UK, moved to the USA when I was 7 (actually remember on the plane landing in New York thinking "so this is where Superman lives" - seriously).

 

Nazis just in comics? nonsense, England has plenty of scars from them. At my old hospital when they were making a new building, invariably they would find an old WW II unexploded bomb, German if I remember correctly. When I was there in the 70's the people who were in WW II at say 20 were in their 50's. It was all very real. There were a lot of British comics with WWII stories and heros. You did not grow up to love Germans. (and then I married a woman who spent all her summers in Germany, her Dad was in the Hitler youth (no you did not have choice) and her mother was a German teacher. Oy Vey. So fighting Nazis was serious business, go Invaders. I am thrilled to have been the first to have the complete set in 9.8, I know there is another now, and its a big thumbs up to all Invaders fans.

 

Howard the Duck - OK I just remember seeing Howie all over the place, the stupid movie, the comics, etc I just remember I did not understand them at the time. And I think it is that that made me want to get a full run now, and of course all the raw issues as well. Again first to a 9.8 run, obviously someone else will have that too, probably soon.

 

3) Short Bronze Runs - Cheetah loves the bigs runs, I love the small runs, who knows why? Well (1) they are harder to find to be honest (maybe not so much now) but a few years ago when slabbed 9.8 bronze was actually tough, if only because no one was slabbing them. After all who would pay for a 9.8 Red Sonja 10? yoo hoo, over here! Me. (2) they are not going to be impossible to complete in 9.8 (3) more importantly the represent success and failure, I feel like I am looking in on Marvel (and DC) experiments, what can we copy, can we make another Conan like character, how about a Conan woman? shall we introduce another Black Dude? What about a day nurse, wait make that a Night Nurse, How about a Cat Woman, DC has one, lets make one too. Hey Welcome Back Kotter was a successful TV show and Video Games have not really been invented, lets do a comic of it. Same with Isis, for goodness sake put some Headlights on something, it will sell!

Fantastic weird stuff.

 

4) Jerry Weists (RIP) 100 Greatest comics, well here is a challenge, someone has very kindly picked out what I should maybe collect. Stuff that has importance, the first Woman written comics, the first by a Black writer/artist, the first Crime, Space, Horror comic, the first issue of a book that then went on to be a huge series of an important character. A book that changed the way we look at comics. All with a great explanation as to why this books matters. I know it is an opinion, but it would be a brave sole to go up an argue against any of those books that they are not important, yes you could expand the list (Sweet Jesus I have a book called 1000 comics you must read- Gemma if you make a set of that I will have to harm you). So thats where a lot of seriously cool books came into my collection.

 

A sampling shown below, thats it for tonight, more later.

 

th_comic003-3-2.jpg , th_YoungRomance1cgc94front.jpg, th_msfury1.jpg, th_PlasticMan1.jpg, th_VOH12.jpg, th_comic001-8-1.jpg, th_HodRodandSpeedwaycomics1cgc80front.jpg, th_ourarmyatwar81front.jpg

 

 

 

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Nice books as always, Joe. A few years ago, I gave a lot of thought into doing the Subby run. I decided against it. I'm glad I did, I really hate bidding against you.

 

I bet Twin cites will have a full run of 9.8 or something like that

 

I CLAIM FIRST RIGHT TO ALL TWIN CITIES BOOKS!!! You want to live here, you can have some too (believe me its no joke being here), otherwise Back Off.

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Just exactly how many books are there in the collection and have you seen them already?

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Just exactly how many books are there in the collection and have you seen them already?

 

No I have not seen them, but they are supposed to be white white white, I believe about 5000-6000 books

 

I heard about them a few weeks ago, but I keep secrets. Goes with the profession.

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They are beautiful books, Joe, but some of the distributor's ink stains are massive. I know at least one heavy hitter that probably won't touch them. A few are even so bad I wouldn't have any interest. Do you have any idea if the entire set is this bad?

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Several reasons, the nature of the rankings, they are just weird, you think you have a nice collection of something out there, well there is someone with a better collection out there almost certainly. (thats obvious with the complete list of books, my collection is a joke compared to what people have out there), every 'Pedigree' out there if slabbed and listed well, it would blow all the top guys out of the water, so a ranking of number 11 (say) means nothing.

 

I know people, at times myself, who have way over-spent in pursuit of a book for their registry, or to retain a #1 ranking. (or #6 ranking or whatever). Thats pretty silly when you think about it, always bearing in mind what other people have out there not listed.

 

Even worse...I have seen people with what I consider a fantastic run of books (not a complete run of books but an almost complete run of high grade hard to find beautiful books), and they have been enjoying their #1 ranked status. Clearly that meant something to them, indeed if you have spent years hunting for certain books, what you have put together does mean a lot to you, you have worked hard for that. Well, along comes someone else with one or two insane books in the run, you know how it goes. The person with one or two very high grade books, becomes number 1. The prior number 1 guy, now number two, who could not have afforded those crazy books anyway but sees a diminishment in the value of his set, gets sad, and indeed ends up selling the books off. Purely because they are now number 2. I think thats sad, and a detriment to the hobby. Of course there are charmers on the board that just thinks the now number 2 guy is a and should suck it up, but it clearly has affected them all because of some silly ranking system.

 

So if I am using the registry as a method to keep track of stuff, then I dont need it when I complete a run.

 

Hey Joe, I have read your posts with a lot of interest. Of course, you are my arch-nemesis when it comes to Super Stories, but I have enjoyed every bit of the hunt and trying to find acquisitions. (And yes, the registry and this competition have driven me to chase upgrades that I wouldn't have otherwise spent the money on, see my recent purchase of the #1.) Of course I have rarely (if ever) come out ahead when we have both gone after a book, but that goes with the territory and I know I'm not the only one with that sob story. I have a huge amount of respect for your set, and it has really set the bar high for me to shoot for. I, for one, would hope that you wouldn't delist the Super Stories set when you are done. For one thing, I don't want to get to #1 that way, and aside from that any completed high grade set compiled with love and respect for the books is a thing of beauty that should be seen by other collectors. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

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They are beautiful books, Joe, but some of the distributor's ink stains are massive. I know at least one heavy hitter that probably won't touch them. A few are even so bad I wouldn't have any interest. Do you have any idea if the entire set is this bad?

 

Im sure the distributors ink was heavy so the books could be found in the stinking snow we have here. But, I did notice that and I wonder how much that will effect sales. Who knows, I know a lot of people care, but a lot wont.

 

frankly I'm more disbelieving of the corners and edges of this 9.8

http://comics.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7033&LotIdNo=50017#Photo

 

seriously, I know its chipping and the book came like that, and bindery tears, but still, 9.8, not convinced.

 

yes this has some serious ink

http://comics.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7033&LotIdNo=50004#Photo

 

this I could live with

http://comics.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7033&LotIdNo=50024#Photo

 

usual deal, 5-6K of books, you will have a huge range, all the Savannahs were labeled as 'cream' books but plenty of White Pages in that run of 40K of books.

 

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