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[FrankWhite]

The Journey Into Mystery Venom variant (#633) looks to be heating up:

 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JOURNEY-INTO-MYSTERY-633-1-50-VENOM-VARIANT-MARVEL-COMIC-BOOK-THOR-JAN-2012-1-/291765153826?hash=item43ee8ef022:g:I9cAAOSw~oFXOSS4

 

-J.

 

yeah, these books just keep going up.

 

Interesting side note. Wantedcomix seems to have a near endless supply of these venom variants

 

I remember them selling the venom variants grouped with a TPB in 2013, 2014 and 2015 , they were ending in the $5 - 30 range. over and over again. They are prolly kicking themselves now. They have sold Dozens and Dozens of each individual book. It seems to me they must have somehow acquired some, or all, of the remaining undistributed copies. Go look at their feedback, if you feel like digging and adding them up.

 

This is what always scares me about these modern 1: variants. The print run numbers are complete guesses based on ratios and there is no guarantee how many were actually printed, and where the undistributed copies end up.

 

 

Here is an old sale from page #200 of their feedback:

 

More than a year ago

 

JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY #633 1:50 VENOM VARIANT COVER SCARCE & FREE THOR HERUCLES 1 (#400550069813) US $22.50

 

22 bucks and a free TPB They have sold dozens of this book, and it seems they still have more.

 

I notice wantedcomix has auctioned off a few of the JIM 633 Venom as well. They seem to be the only one that has auctioned any off. The last one, they said was in raw 7.0 condition and it still went strong.

 

With only a ~23,000 copies of the regular cover distributed and it being a 1:50, it's hard to fathom any scenario where very many more than ~400 copies of the variant being distributed, let alone printed.

 

-J.

 

Your math is off buddy .

 

Care to explain how?

 

-J.

 

Because you didn't do exact math and get 460.

 

I hope that's a joke. Either that or that people didn't know what I meant with a "~" in front of the numbers.

 

Also, 460 would assume all shops' orders were in quantities of 50+ to qualify- an unlikely scenario, and particularly since JIM was a title on its last legs at the time.

 

-J.

 

This is why I said its curious wantedcomix had so many copies. Ive counted using sold sales from their feedback and im at 28 separate copies of JIM 633 venom variant. There is no way they ordered 1,400 copies of the regular issue to qualify for all of these. Thor # 10 as well, im at 35 separate copies of that venom variant that they have sold in the past 3 years.

 

They somehow got a hold of the undistributed, non-qualified for, venom variants back 3 years ago. Probably from Diamond.

 

That's the fallacy with these LOW print run " guesses"

 

So you are at 460 copies based on diamond orders of the regular issue, and stress that obviously not all shops qualified to get this issue. So its even lower?

 

Sorry that's not how it works. They don't wait until diamond gets its orders from the stores and then go back and print and second batch of these books with the variant cover based on those orders. It would be severely cost inefficient to do so. They print them all at the same time. They would typically use previous sales numbers to get a base number to print for the variant like the 460 you came up with, knowing that not all retailers would qualify. Round numbers make sense. It would make much more sense that they printed 500 copies, not worrying about how many retailers qualified, just being happy that they made enough to cover that offer.

 

Remember that artists usually get a few copies of the covers they do, some books are given away in house as well. What happens to the balance that isn't distributed? They are surely are not used as firewood. It would be easier for diamond to just sell them a few months or a year later at cover price or lower, which is probably how WantedComix managed to get so many.

 

So for Journey into Mystery # 633 1:50 variant. We have to assume a scenario like this. 500 printed. A reasonable guess of about 300 copies distributed to stores that qualified for the variant. 50 copies going to artists and In house. 150 copies leftover, which are later distributed by diamond, probably offered to their largest account holders first at low prices.

 

 

 

Even on the outside of both extremes, our estimated numbers are not very far apart. In fact, we are probably quibbling over a less than 100 copies difference.

 

Either way, the JIM 633 Venom is easily going to be the scarcest Venom variant of the group given the title's sales figures, regardless of which single comic shop managed to get their hands on whatever scant copies were leftover.

 

-J.

 

Ummmm...no.

 

When you are talking about numbers like 400, 100 is a significant percentage amount. There's no denying it's rare. It's just that trying to make it seem rarer is just not necessary and misleading.

 

Of course unless you have an agenda...hmmmmm

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

Sorry that's not how it works. They don't wait until diamond gets its orders from the stores and then go back and print and second batch of these books with the variant cover based on those orders. It would be severely cost inefficient to do so. They print them all at the same time. They would typically use previous sales numbers to get a base number to print for the variant like the 460 you came up with, knowing that not all retailers would qualify. Round numbers make sense. It would make much more sense that they printed 500 copies, not worrying about how many retailers qualified, just being happy that they made enough to cover that offer.

This article is a little old, but the info in it is what's important:

 

http://www.newsarama.com/2675-what-the-foc-how-final-order-cut-off-affects-the-biz.html

 

Of note (emphasis mine): "There are so many factors that go into how a shop orders the myriad of titles being released," Stephenson said. "And only a fraction of the information that informs their choices comes from the monthly Previews catalogue. By giving retailers the freedom to adjust their orders right up until the date we set our print runs, we're allowing them to pool more data and make as informed a decision as possible."

 

Print runs are set after the publisher knows the order numbers from Diamond. Generally the print run is going to be at least a bit more than the orders to allow for reorders, damages, comp copies, etc. So there's no going back to press for a second batch (unless they're doing a second print). The guts of the regular edition and variants are printed at the same time.

[Aweandlorder]

Arent there NUMEROUS threads on this very section of the board that discuss this already?

Why does this keep on coming to hunt us here again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again

[awakeintheashes]

Arent there NUMEROUS threads on this very section of the board that discuss this already?

Why does this keep on coming to hunt us here again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again

Hodor

[Awax]

and again

[natevegas]

Arent there NUMEROUS threads on this very section of the board that discuss this already?

Why does this keep on coming to hunt us here again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again

Hodor

 

Hold the door!

 

[awakeintheashes]

Arent there NUMEROUS threads on this very section of the board that discuss this already?

Why does this keep on coming to hunt us here again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again

Hodor

 

Hold the door!

 

 

[Jaydogrules]

The Journey Into Mystery Venom variant (#633) looks to be heating up:

 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JOURNEY-INTO-MYSTERY-633-1-50-VENOM-VARIANT-MARVEL-COMIC-BOOK-THOR-JAN-2012-1-/291765153826?hash=item43ee8ef022:g:I9cAAOSw~oFXOSS4

 

-J.

 

yeah, these books just keep going up.

 

Interesting side note. Wantedcomix seems to have a near endless supply of these venom variants

 

I remember them selling the venom variants grouped with a TPB in 2013, 2014 and 2015 , they were ending in the $5 - 30 range. over and over again. They are prolly kicking themselves now. They have sold Dozens and Dozens of each individual book. It seems to me they must have somehow acquired some, or all, of the remaining undistributed copies. Go look at their feedback, if you feel like digging and adding them up.

 

This is what always scares me about these modern 1: variants. The print run numbers are complete guesses based on ratios and there is no guarantee how many were actually printed, and where the undistributed copies end up.

 

 

Here is an old sale from page #200 of their feedback:

 

More than a year ago

 

JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY #633 1:50 VENOM VARIANT COVER SCARCE & FREE THOR HERUCLES 1 (#400550069813) US $22.50

 

22 bucks and a free TPB They have sold dozens of this book, and it seems they still have more.

 

I notice wantedcomix has auctioned off a few of the JIM 633 Venom as well. They seem to be the only one that has auctioned any off. The last one, they said was in raw 7.0 condition and it still went strong.

 

With only a ~23,000 copies of the regular cover distributed and it being a 1:50, it's hard to fathom any scenario where very many more than ~400 copies of the variant being distributed, let alone printed.

 

-J.

 

Your math is off buddy .

 

Care to explain how?

 

-J.

 

Because you didn't do exact math and get 460.

 

I hope that's a joke. Either that or that people didn't know what I meant with a "~" in front of the numbers.

 

Also, 460 would assume all shops' orders were in quantities of 50+ to qualify- an unlikely scenario, and particularly since JIM was a title on its last legs at the time.

 

-J.

 

This is why I said its curious wantedcomix had so many copies. Ive counted using sold sales from their feedback and im at 28 separate copies of JIM 633 venom variant. There is no way they ordered 1,400 copies of the regular issue to qualify for all of these. Thor # 10 as well, im at 35 separate copies of that venom variant that they have sold in the past 3 years.

 

They somehow got a hold of the undistributed, non-qualified for, venom variants back 3 years ago. Probably from Diamond.

 

That's the fallacy with these LOW print run " guesses"

 

So you are at 460 copies based on diamond orders of the regular issue, and stress that obviously not all shops qualified to get this issue. So its even lower?

 

Sorry that's not how it works. They don't wait until diamond gets its orders from the stores and then go back and print and second batch of these books with the variant cover based on those orders. It would be severely cost inefficient to do so. They print them all at the same time. They would typically use previous sales numbers to get a base number to print for the variant like the 460 you came up with, knowing that not all retailers would qualify. Round numbers make sense. It would make much more sense that they printed 500 copies, not worrying about how many retailers qualified, just being happy that they made enough to cover that offer.

 

Remember that artists usually get a few copies of the covers they do, some books are given away in house as well. What happens to the balance that isn't distributed? They are surely are not used as firewood. It would be easier for diamond to just sell them a few months or a year later at cover price or lower, which is probably how WantedComix managed to get so many.

 

So for Journey into Mystery # 633 1:50 variant. We have to assume a scenario like this. 500 printed. A reasonable guess of about 300 copies distributed to stores that qualified for the variant. 50 copies going to artists and In house. 150 copies leftover, which are later distributed by diamond, probably offered to their largest account holders first at low prices.

 

 

 

Even on the outside of both extremes, our estimated numbers are not very far apart. In fact, we are probably quibbling over a less than 100 copies difference.

 

Either way, the JIM 633 Venom is easily going to be the scarcest Venom variant of the group given the title's sales figures, regardless of which single comic shop managed to get their hands on whatever scant copies were leftover.

 

-J.

 

Ummmm...no.

 

When you are talking about numbers like 400, 100 is a significant percentage amount. There's no denying it's rare. It's just that trying to make it seem rarer is just not necessary and misleading.

 

Of course unless you have an agenda...hmmmmm

 

I love it when noobs who obviously know nothing about me attempt to make assumptions..

 

Yes, my "agenda" was to point out a book (another Venom variant) that looked to be heating up.

 

You know, the point of the thread.

 

-J.

[1Cool]

Arent there NUMEROUS threads on this very section of the board that discuss this already?

Why does this keep on coming to hunt us here again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again

Hodor

 

Hold the door

[Silverdream]

Arent there NUMEROUS threads on this very section of the board that discuss this already?

Why does this keep on coming to hunt us here again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again

 

Ive been away for quite some time, so my apologies.

[FrankWhite]

I love it when noobs who obviously know nothing about me attempt to make assumptions..

 

Yes, my "agenda" was to point out a book (another Venom variant) that looked to be heating up.

 

You know, the point of the thread.

 

-J.

 

Carry on good sir

Edited May 23, 2016 by FrankWhite

[MrWeen]

Oh, and Preacher issues are heating up...

 

I must not sell my preachers. I must not sell my preachers. I must not sell my preachers.

 

It's getting tougher with each passing minute.

[500Club]

Arent there NUMEROUS threads on this very section of the board that discuss this already?

Why does this keep on coming to hunt us here again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again

It'll end when everyone has had a chance to address Jaydog. Think of the scene in Airplane where everyone lines up to take a run at the hysterical woman...

 

[Aweandlorder]

[Lonzilla]

Oh, and Preacher issues are heating up...

 

I must not sell my preachers. I must not sell my preachers. I must not sell my preachers.

 

It's getting tougher with each passing minute.

Sell Mortimer! People who like the show and are unfamiliar with the comic series won't be dropping $300-500 for a raw #1 or $800-$1k for a CGC'd copy. They'll buy the TPBs

Collectors were already well aware of the show for a couple of years and bought accordingly, the ones who didn't, well there's your target audience for the next few weeks

It's not going to have constant price bumps like WD because there's no new issues coming

[COMICKINGS]

The Journey Into Mystery Venom variant (#633) looks to be heating up:

 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JOURNEY-INTO-MYSTERY-633-1-50-VENOM-VARIANT-MARVEL-COMIC-BOOK-THOR-JAN-2012-1-/291765153826?hash=item43ee8ef022:g:I9cAAOSw~oFXOSS4

 

-J.

 

yeah, these books just keep going up.

 

Interesting side note. Wantedcomix seems to have a near endless supply of these venom variants

 

I remember them selling the venom variants grouped with a TPB in 2013, 2014 and 2015 , they were ending in the $5 - 30 range. over and over again. They are prolly kicking themselves now. They have sold Dozens and Dozens of each individual book. It seems to me they must have somehow acquired some, or all, of the remaining undistributed copies. Go look at their feedback, if you feel like digging and adding them up.

 

This is what always scares me about these modern 1: variants. The print run numbers are complete guesses based on ratios and there is no guarantee how many were actually printed, and where the undistributed copies end up.

 

 

Here is an old sale from page #200 of their feedback:

 

More than a year ago

 

JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY #633 1:50 VENOM VARIANT COVER SCARCE & FREE THOR HERUCLES 1 (#400550069813) US $22.50

 

22 bucks and a free TPB They have sold dozens of this book, and it seems they still have more.

 

I notice wantedcomix has auctioned off a few of the JIM 633 Venom as well. They seem to be the only one that has auctioned any off. The last one, they said was in raw 7.0 condition and it still went strong.

 

With only a ~23,000 copies of the regular cover distributed and it being a 1:50, it's hard to fathom any scenario where very many more than ~400 copies of the variant being distributed, let alone printed.

 

-J.

 

Your math is off buddy .

 

Care to explain how?

 

-J.

 

Because you didn't do exact math and get 460.

 

I hope that's a joke. Either that or that people didn't know what I meant with a "~" in front of the numbers.

 

Also, 460 would assume all shops' orders were in quantities of 50+ to qualify- an unlikely scenario, and particularly since JIM was a title on its last legs at the time.

 

-J.

 

This is why I said its curious wantedcomix had so many copies. Ive counted using sold sales from their feedback and im at 28 separate copies of JIM 633 venom variant. There is no way they ordered 1,400 copies of the regular issue to qualify for all of these. Thor # 10 as well, im at 35 separate copies of that venom variant that they have sold in the past 3 years.

 

They somehow got a hold of the undistributed, non-qualified for, venom variants back 3 years ago. Probably from Diamond.

 

That's the fallacy with these LOW print run " guesses"

 

So you are at 460 copies based on diamond orders of the regular issue, and stress that obviously not all shops qualified to get this issue. So its even lower?

 

Sorry that's not how it works. They don't wait until diamond gets its orders from the stores and then go back and print and second batch of these books with the variant cover based on those orders. It would be severely cost inefficient to do so. They print them all at the same time. They would typically use previous sales numbers to get a base number to print for the variant like the 460 you came up with, knowing that not all retailers would qualify. Round numbers make sense. It would make much more sense that they printed 500 copies, not worrying about how many retailers qualified, just being happy that they made enough to cover that offer.

 

Remember that artists usually get a few copies of the covers they do, some books are given away in house as well. What happens to the balance that isn't distributed? They are surely are not used as firewood. It would be easier for diamond to just sell them a few months or a year later at cover price or lower, which is probably how WantedComix managed to get so many.

 

So for Journey into Mystery # 633 1:50 variant. We have to assume a scenario like this. 500 printed. A reasonable guess of about 300 copies distributed to stores that qualified for the variant. 50 copies going to artists and In house. 150 copies leftover, which are later distributed by diamond, probably offered to their largest account holders first at low prices.

 

 

 

These were on a Diamond/Marvel dealer only variant sale a few years ago...$2 each....I missed out on these but got about 25 of the Uncanny X-Men 5 Venom variants out of that deal back then.

[manetteska]

 

 

The Journey Into Mystery Venom variant (#633) looks to be heating up:

 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JOURNEY-INTO-MYSTERY-633-1-50-VENOM-VARIANT-MARVEL-COMIC-BOOK-THOR-JAN-2012-1-/291765153826?hash=item43ee8ef022:g:I9cAAOSw~oFXOSS4

 

-J.

 

yeah, these books just keep going up.

 

Interesting side note. Wantedcomix seems to have a near endless supply of these venom variants

 

I remember them selling the venom variants grouped with a TPB in 2013, 2014 and 2015 , they were ending in the $5 - 30 range. over and over again. They are prolly kicking themselves now. They have sold Dozens and Dozens of each individual book. It seems to me they must have somehow acquired some, or all, of the remaining undistributed copies. Go look at their feedback, if you feel like digging and adding them up.

 

This is what always scares me about these modern 1: variants. The print run numbers are complete guesses based on ratios and there is no guarantee how many were actually printed, and where the undistributed copies end up.

 

 

Here is an old sale from page #200 of their feedback:

 

More than a year ago

 

JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY #633 1:50 VENOM VARIANT COVER SCARCE & FREE THOR HERUCLES 1 (#400550069813) US $22.50

 

22 bucks and a free TPB They have sold dozens of this book, and it seems they still have more.

 

I notice wantedcomix has auctioned off a few of the JIM 633 Venom as well. They seem to be the only one that has auctioned any off. The last one, they said was in raw 7.0 condition and it still went strong.

 

With only a ~23,000 copies of the regular cover distributed and it being a 1:50, it's hard to fathom any scenario where very many more than ~400 copies of the variant being distributed, let alone printed.

 

-J.

 

Your math is off buddy .

 

Care to explain how?

 

-J.

 

Because you didn't do exact math and get 460.

 

I hope that's a joke. Either that or that people didn't know what I meant with a "~" in front of the numbers.

 

Also, 460 would assume all shops' orders were in quantities of 50+ to qualify- an unlikely scenario, and particularly since JIM was a title on its last legs at the time.

 

-J.

 

This is why I said its curious wantedcomix had so many copies. Ive counted using sold sales from their feedback and im at 28 separate copies of JIM 633 venom variant. There is no way they ordered 1,400 copies of the regular issue to qualify for all of these. Thor # 10 as well, im at 35 separate copies of that venom variant that they have sold in the past 3 years.

 

They somehow got a hold of the undistributed, non-qualified for, venom variants back 3 years ago. Probably from Diamond.

 

That's the fallacy with these LOW print run " guesses"

 

So you are at 460 copies based on diamond orders of the regular issue, and stress that obviously not all shops qualified to get this issue. So its even lower?

 

Sorry that's not how it works. They don't wait until diamond gets its orders from the stores and then go back and print and second batch of these books with the variant cover based on those orders. It would be severely cost inefficient to do so. They print them all at the same time. They would typically use previous sales numbers to get a base number to print for the variant like the 460 you came up with, knowing that not all retailers would qualify. Round numbers make sense. It would make much more sense that they printed 500 copies, not worrying about how many retailers qualified, just being happy that they made enough to cover that offer.

 

Remember that artists usually get a few copies of the covers they do, some books are given away in house as well. What happens to the balance that isn't distributed? They are surely are not used as firewood. It would be easier for diamond to just sell them a few months or a year later at cover price or lower, which is probably how WantedComix managed to get so many.

 

So for Journey into Mystery # 633 1:50 variant. We have to assume a scenario like this. 500 printed. A reasonable guess of about 300 copies distributed to stores that qualified for the variant. 50 copies going to artists and In house. 150 copies leftover, which are later distributed by diamond, probably offered to their largest account holders first at low prices.

 

 

 

 

 

 

These were on a Diamond/Marvel dealer only variant sale a few years ago...$2 each....I missed out on these but got about 25 of the Uncanny X-Men 5 Venom variants out of that deal back then.

 

Shock. Awe. Gasp.

 

[Lazyboy]

These were on a Diamond/Marvel dealer only variant sale a few years ago...$2 each....I missed out on these but got about 25 of the Uncanny X-Men 5 Venom variants out of that deal back then.

 

No, no, no. Only very small numbers of crappy variants get sold through those sales.

 

Are you saying the retailer incentive programs are a complete fraud?

 

WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO UNDERMINE THE VARIANT MARKET???

 

Am I doing it right?

[LarrysComics]

These were on a Diamond/Marvel dealer only variant sale a few years ago...$2 each....I missed out on these but got about 25 of the Uncanny X-Men 5 Venom variants out of that deal back then.

 

No, no, no. Only very small numbers of crappy variants get sold through those sales.

 

Are you saying the retailer incentive programs are a complete fraud?

 

WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO UNDERMINE THE VARIANT MARKET???

 

Am I doing it right?

 

Don't be an insufficiently_thoughtful_person...

This thread doesn't want to hear the way it is...

Sorry if the truth tinkles on your investment a bit.

 

 

[paul747]

Jays number on the variant is probaly real close. 2 cases of 200... It is a logical guess. And there was probably hundred plus that where still sitting at diamond. It could still be a small print.

 

The retail program is not a fraud but as stated they order to the closest case pack.

Edited May 24, 2016 by paul747