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manetteska

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18 minutes ago, I like pie said:
29 minutes ago, ygogolak said:

You're saying TCM is shilling their own store variants? Have any proof?

 

 

Yes. Click on the little linky that says, "Another".

While it certainly could be someone outside the TCMI group, since they just got them in, that's unlikely. Obviously, not all 600 members shill their books but some do consistently. 

I think people are reading too much into bidding data. While a single user bidding a lot on one item may signal shilling, it is definitely not the definitive "proof" people think it is.

The winner has bid on a lot of different items across eBay (including Silver Age and toys), and 1 bid with this seller.

The second bidder has 1 bid over the last 30 days, and it's only this item (hence 100% activity with this seller).

The third bidder bid on 3 items over 30 days, 1 of them from this seller (which is really 33% activity not 66%).

Where is the shilling?

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10 hours ago, divad said:
17 hours ago, 500Club said:
19 hours ago, Awax said:
On 3/24/2019 at 5:27 PM, jsilverjanet said:

What have you notified CGC of?

I once notified CGC that you masked a swear word in a post.  :banana:

I notified them that the sweet poster named Janet is actually some dude called Hector. :sick:

 OMG I slept with Janet . . . 

Funky Cold Medina...

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3 hours ago, manetteska said:
3 hours ago, I like pie said:
3 hours ago, manetteska said:

Where is the shilling?

There are multiple high activity bidders with this seller.

Bid retraction.

Current bid is well over double the price of last trade dress book that sold on ebay.

It's a TCM book.

None of that is proof.

None of it may be proof . . . but it's definitely fanboy porn. :blush:

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2 minutes ago, ygogolak said:

If you have some proof, I'm more than willing to accept it. But right now you're grasping at straws.

I really care less of your opinion. I'm not trying to convince anyone of the obvious. I was part of this group when it started and I know how some of them operate because it's some of the same people.  

Just a warning to be careful what you buy from books that come from TCM and their perceived value.

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1 minute ago, I like pie said:

I really care less of your opinion. I'm not trying to convince anyone of the obvious. I was part of this group when it started and I know how some of them operate because it's some of the same people.  

Just a warning to be careful what you buy from books that come from TCM and their perceived value.

So you have some proof then, just not for this book?

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12 minutes ago, ygogolak said:
21 minutes ago, ygogolak said:

So you have some proof then, just not for this book?

15 minutes ago, I like pie said:

Absolutely. 

:popcorn:

:popcorn:

I, too, like to know how these schemes work and the groups/people behind them. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just proof is needed.

Too many people (not you, perhaps) throwing around accusations b/c they believe something is true. Kind of becoming the norm...

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8 hours ago, ygogolak said:
On 3/23/2019 at 8:44 AM, fastballspecial said:

I think what is troublesome for me is the collusion between websites, publishers and online selling sites now. We have a couple of websites wanting to be the new online Wizard (Which that part I am fine with.), but at the same time colluding with publishers, sellers, and writers. Its such a slimy collaboration that seems doomed in the long run one way or another.

I don't know who wronged you, but I've never seen you say anything good about a G+ site and yet have no problem posting on these boards and don't have a problem with the nonsense spewed on here.

I am not sure I named any site in the above paragraph.(Because its more then one.) If I did please point it out to me.

I am not sure I am reading that second paragraph correctly. Go back and read it yourself it doesn't read correctly.

But to you argument, there is all type of nonsense on this board. The difference is I don't see the point in getting
banned trying to argue back and forth. Apparently you missed my ranting and raving about "Mystery boxes" for a long
time before they finally banned them here. We deal a lot in data here so its hard to get that past many of us. Although
shilling is sometimes hard to prove.

Unlike other boards which are controlled by moderators that lets some members freely
talk :censored: about other members, doing that on this board will get you bounced rather quickly.

I honestly feel like here we try to give an honest portrayal of the market in general. Other sites seem to be geared
to promote books rather then just honestly report on the market itself. You cant tell me you don't see this.

Nobody wronged me at least that I can remember. Keep in mind I have been doing this a long time. Having watched my 
hobby go down the tank once I am very weary of anyone type of collusion between websites, publishers and online sellers.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.


 

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2 hours ago, manetteska said:

:popcorn:

I, too, like to know how these schemes work and the groups/people behind them. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just proof is needed.

Too many people (not you, perhaps) throwing around accusations b/c they believe something is true. Kind of becoming the norm...

It is difficult to prove. What I look for is repeat transactions over a period of time with some sort of repeat behavior. Now is that 
definite proof? No it isn't, but in those cases its enough for me to avoid that seller. (I concede it could be a repeat buyer in that 
case, but the odds are long.)

 

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44 minutes ago, fastballspecial said:

I am not sure I named any site in the above paragraph.(Because its more then one.) If I did please point it out to me.

I am not sure I am reading that second paragraph correctly. Go back and read it yourself it doesn't read correctly.

But to you argument, there is all type of nonsense on this board. The difference is I don't see the point in getting
banned trying to argue back and forth. Apparently you missed my ranting and raving about "Mystery boxes" for a long
time before they finally banned them here. We deal a lot in data here so its hard to get that past many of us. Although
shilling is sometimes hard to prove.

Unlike other boards which are controlled by moderators that lets some members freely
talk :censored: about other members, doing that on this board will get you bounced rather quickly.

I honestly feel like here we try to give an honest portrayal of the market in general. Other sites seem to be geared
to promote books rather then just honestly report on the market itself. You cant tell me you don't see this.

Nobody wronged me at least that I can remember. Keep in mind I have been doing this a long time. Having watched my 
hobby go down the tank once I am very weary of anyone type of collusion between websites, publishers and online sellers.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.


 

You mentioned the Top 10 which is one group. That list is a reflection of books that have sold. Its easy to verify in this day and age. It's not like the Wizard list that it was modeled after which was used as promotion for sales for dealers who were feeding them the market report.

39 minutes ago, fastballspecial said:

It is difficult to prove. What I look for is repeat transactions over a period of time with some sort of repeat behavior. Now is that 
definite proof? No it isn't, but in those cases its enough for me to avoid that seller. (I concede it could be a repeat buyer in that 
case, but the odds are long.)

 

You're missing the entire point. The seller may have no idea what's going on until it comes time for payment. Especially when there are bid retractions. Why would you make a bid retraction on an item if you were in cohorts with a seller?

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manetteska

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1 hour ago, fastballspecial said:

It is difficult to prove. What I look for is repeat transactions over a period of time with some sort of repeat behavior. Now is that 
definite proof? No it isn't, but in those cases its enough for me to avoid that seller. (I concede it could be a repeat buyer in that 
case, but the odds are long.)

 

My comment, as far as shilling, was aimed specifically at the board member saying he has proof of group/site collusion (though has yet to provide any).

My broader comment was regarding other modern threads where random sellers are accused of selling a fake error comic and/or a member saying a printing/color error comic is more or less rare than a ratio variant. Just random nonsense with nothing to back it up.

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9 minutes ago, manetteska said:

My comment, as far as shilling, was aimed specifically at the board member saying he has proof of group/site collusion (though has yet to provide any).

Nor will I. I haven't been apart of the group for almost two years. Theres no purpose. It still wouldn't "prove" that it's still going on besides what I've posted. There are enough drama stars on these forums already. 

If you don't agree this one is shilled, cool. 

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1 minute ago, I like pie said:
15 minutes ago, manetteska said:

My comment, as far as shilling, was aimed specifically at the board member saying he has proof of group/site collusion (though has yet to provide any).

Nor will I. I haven't been apart of the group for almost two years. Theres no purpose. It still wouldn't "prove" that it's still going on besides what I've posted. There are enough drama stars on these forums already. 

If you don't agree this one is shilled, cool. 

If you knew the eBay names of people in that group or their shill accounts and could be seen bidding on this auction (or others) that would go a long way. 

Even after two years I bet many of the same accounts are used. 

I don’t understand how asking for proof is unheard of these days. I’m just supposed to believe it because someone on the board said so?

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