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I 100% agree with this posting, especially point #3

 

I find it odd that some dealers who are in the business of selling artwork don't even take the time to protect their inventory. As a collector, and those who collect comics, nobody puts raw books in boxes without mylars or bags, so why treat even more expensive items like art with any less respect.

 

It's fairly inexpensive. I've explained on several posts in the past the way I preserve my artwork affordably, all-in, about $2-4 to preserve artwork that cost you anywhere from $100 to $10,000+

 

If you have a small collection, buy mylars (don't shortcut by getting those mylite type bags with the adhesive flap) from Bill Cole or Bags Unlimited, they'll cost you less than $3 a piece (depending on the size and quantity).

 

Here's a link to the mylars for $2-3 a piece:

 

http://www.bagsunlimited.com/p-5164-polyester-mylar-sleeve-4mil-no-flap.aspx

 

Using mylars alone are also not good enough, in that there's an opening at the top that moisture or silverfish can enter through, plus handling mylars can cause aesthetic scratches to the mylar if you're nit picky.

 

What I do is buy a 3 mil (not the flimsy 2 mil, as the thickness of the bag is important for archiving and doesn't add to the cost that much) preservation bags from Bags Unlimited, then put the mylar into that bag, and then tape down the top flap, so the liklihood of having moisture enter or silverfish enter is minimized if not eliminated.

 

For the higher end artwork, or pieces done on thin paper or smaller paper, you can support them with backing boards that either fit in with the mylar or between the bag and the mylar too. Here's a link to those for about $1 a piece

 

http://www.bagsunlimited.com/p-3566-backings-for-original-comic-art-1138-x-1718.aspx

 

If you have a large collection, for $.20 to $.30 a piece you can order perfect archival bags to protect your art from surface wear, handling, moisture and silverfish.

 

Here's a quick link to the right size to get for modern art:

 

http://www.bagsunlimited.com/p-3077-original-comic-art-sleeve-3mil-polyethylene.aspx

 

If you're bagging your mylars, you'll have to go up a size to accomodate the fact that the mylar is larger than the original art, so it's an easy measurement depending on the size mylar you get.

 

Some art dealers should bag their inventory, then they can put the prices on the bags instead of the actual artwork itself, and it's easier to change pricing up or down too. It's amazing to see the neglect some dealers (and even artists) have towards their artwork. I've seen browsing customers flip through portfolios, lift out pages and manhandle 'em with their potentially greasy and dirty fingers all the time.

 

Condition isn't key for one-of-a-kind items per se as it is in the graded/grading community, but collectors generally like to respect their collectibles and it's always nice to keep them in the best possible condition and consider it investing in a measure of insurance and assurance in knowing you're doing your best to preserve the collectible from any accidents. Dang those silverfish !!!

 

I know for some collectors with large collections that are unprotected it may seem like a lot of money to pay up front for, and a lot of time to actually put the pieces in and tape the flaps down, but it's a worthwhile effort. Also, buy more than you need, so then when you get new art, you have the supplies paid for and conveniently available in front of you as your collection grows.

 

* As for framing, make sure your frames are sealed air tight, otherwise, as I'd experienced, silverfish can enter and nibble on the back-sides of the paper (you'll notice rough spots on the formerly smooth surface as indiciation) or the edges or corners. Plus, invest in UV glass, but still display them out of direct sunlight. If using mats, use archival quality acid-free scrapbooking tape if securing artwork with tape to the mat.

 

** Oh, and for mylars, if you have any pieces with heavy black india ink that's almost globbed on, even if dry, if it looks thick, you should use the polybags not mylars, since it's been my experience that the ink actually ended up sticking to the mylar and when you want to remove the art, it lifts the ink off and the ink sticks to the mylar due to pressure (if in a portfolio) or temperature (natual variance in heat where it's stored), whereas with the polybags, the ink does not stick to that surface.

 

 

3). Invest in some Mylars for art. They are not cheap, but they are essential if you plan on keeping your art for a long time.

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What is silverfish?

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Great Article...

 

The reproduction of silverfish is preceded by a ritual involving three phases, which may last over half an hour.

 

In the first phase, the male and female stand face to face, their trembling antennae touching, then repeatedly back off and return to this position.

 

In the second phase the male runs away and the female chases him....

 

Re: Silverfish

 

Definition:

1) Paper eating monsters! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverfish

2) The theme of at least one OA Gallery - John Q. Adams' Silverfish Gallery - http://silverfishgallery.blogspot.com/

 

 

 

 

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I have several OA questions:

 

1. Why are the corners clipped on some pieces - I guess this is more prevalent on bronze age pieces. Does this affect the value of the piece?

 

2. What do I need to know about the material/media that the OA was done with and on? Does any certain type of media (paper/ink/pen combination) tarnish with age?

 

3. What terminology should I look out for that isn't obvious - how do I know the OA was a genuine published piece and not some reproduction?

 

4. Are there any detracting factors that collectors typically look out for if they are unsure about a buying piece. Sort of like how some comic book collectors may shy away from a book with brittle or tan pages, or some other aesthetic factor.

 

Commission questions:

 

5. What is the basic procedure for obtaining a commission, and what's an approximate average cost for this (depending on different levels of artist skill/popularity) - do artists just tell you when you ask?

 

6. Are commissions usually mailed to you when they are complete, or does the artist finish it before the end of a multi-day con?

 

7. Do artists typically allow you to tell them what to do/design?

 

8. Is there anything that I should avoid saying or doing that would offend an artist - any weird stories about this?

 

Thanks for the help!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Here is my cut, but there us to be an FAQ on comicart-l, someone should move that here to cut down basic questions

 

OA

 

1. The short answer on the crops is that it has to do with old printing processes. As for valuation, the short answer is no. All pages from the same issue/era would have crops so it evens out. And as everyone likes to point out, original art is one of a kind so little things like that don't matter. However, I suppose you can argue that if you have 2 pages fromt he same issue that are very similar (hero in costume, action pose, etc) and one has worse crops than another, it would make some difference.

 

2. OA is one of a kind, you don't have much choice if you want that published page. India ink is suppose to be more "permanent" than markers, which can fade with light. But if you are buying a 20 year old page and are worried about fading, take a look, if it hasn't faded in 20 years I think you are ok!

 

3. I think you just ask if its the original art to the published page or a recreation!

 

4. Personal preferences, so no general rules. Once again, if you want the original to the published image you love, you don't have much choice.

 

Commissions

 

5. Ask if they do commissions, and ask for their price and what you get for that price and the range is all over now, $50 to $500 covers probably 80% - 90% of the artists

 

6. both, you can even set one up totally outside the con. Do your research before doing a mail away commission

 

7. I've never tried, I usually just specify a character. I imagine artists don't like an art director telling them what to do, unless you pay them enough

 

8. If you have basic social skills, you should be fine!

 

Malvin

 

I have several OA questions:

 

1. Why are the corners clipped on some pieces - I guess this is more prevalent on bronze age pieces. Does this affect the value of the piece?

 

2. What do I need to know about the material/media that the OA was done with and on? Does any certain type of media (paper/ink/pen combination) tarnish with age?

 

3. What terminology should I look out for that isn't obvious - how do I know the OA was a genuine published piece and not some reproduction?

 

4. Are there any detracting factors that collectors typically look out for if they are unsure about a buying piece. Sort of like how some comic book collectors may shy away from a book with brittle or tan pages, or some other aesthetic factor.

 

Commission questions:

 

5. What is the basic procedure for obtaining a commission, and what's an approximate average cost for this (depending on different levels of artist skill/popularity) - do artists just tell you when you ask?

 

6. Are commissions usually mailed to you when they are complete, or does the artist finish it before the end of a multi-day con?

 

7. Do artists typically allow you to tell them what to do/design?

 

8. Is there anything that I should avoid saying or doing that would offend an artist - any weird stories about this?

 

Thanks for the help!

 

 

 

 

 

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The first post's advice is terrible and clich'e.

 

Always "go for the gold".

 

Obtain artwork that the artist is famous for, then buy the best example you can.

 

Simple (example)

 

Todd Mcfarlane = Spider-Man

Neal Adams = Batman

Bernie Wrightson = Swamp Thing

Frank Miller = Daredevil

 

You get the idea. The buy the best shot of that character you can afford, If you can't afford a splash, go for a half splash or a great panel page with excellent shots of that character. (is he in every panel? Can you see his face? )

 

Yes it's expensive, But always buy quality and you can't go wrong. Who the inker is also matters. No one else should be inking Mcfarlane and no one else should be inking Jim Lee except Scott Williams. You get the idea.

When I see a post like this, I'm always curious about the poster's own collection. What about it? Link?

 

Yeah, this guy's a talker. I looked to see if he'd actually ever posted anything and found nada, just ridiculous comments about how he'd take a McFarlane Spidey cover over a Romita Spidey cover any day, McFarlane, this , McFarlane that, and he only buys one page of art every few years for 5-10K. :screwy:

 

Noobs- you may disregard said advice.

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4). Be very careful when having art framed. I paid that I thought was a reputable framer to frame my Bolland Animal Man cover, and I found out years later (after the framer was out of business) that they had glued the cover down to foam core board!

 

That is why I buy all the material have the frame shop cut everything, frame, matte and glass and frame it myself.

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4). Be very careful when having art framed. I paid that I thought was a reputable framer to frame my Bolland Animal Man cover, and I found out years later (after the framer was out of business) that they had glued the cover down to foam core board!

 

That is why I buy all the material have the frame shop cut everything, frame, matte and glass and frame it myself.

 

+1, I actually have a full framing kit. My wife is a photographer and has a decent discount on framing supplies.

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4). Be very careful when having art framed. I paid that I thought was a reputable framer to frame my Bolland Animal Man cover, and I found out years later (after the framer was out of business) that they had glued the cover down to foam core board!

 

That is why I buy all the material have the frame shop cut everything, frame, matte and glass and frame it myself.

 

Love that idea! When I get around to framing my Watchmen page, I think that's the way I'll have to go. Thanks for the tip!

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The first post's advice is terrible and clich'e.

 

Always "go for the gold".

 

Obtain artwork that the artist is famous for, then buy the best example you can.

 

Simple (example)

 

Todd Mcfarlane = Spider-Man

Neal Adams = Batman

Bernie Wrightson = Swamp Thing

Frank Miller = Daredevil

 

You get the idea. The buy the best shot of that character you can afford, If you can't afford a splash, go for a half splash or a great panel page with excellent shots of that character. (is he in every panel? Can you see his face? )

 

Yes it's expensive, But always buy quality and you can't go wrong. Who the inker is also matters. No one else should be inking Mcfarlane and no one else should be inking Jim Lee except Scott Williams. You get the idea.

When I see a post like this, I'm always curious about the poster's own collection. What about it? Link?

 

Yeah, this guy's a talker. I looked to see if he'd actually ever posted anything and found nada, just ridiculous comments about how he'd take a McFarlane Spidey cover over a Romita Spidey cover any day, McFarlane, this , McFarlane that, and he only buys one page of art every few years for 5-10K. :screwy:

 

Noobs- you may disregard said advice.

 

Buy what you like... just like the advice that has been given here right? You found Nada becuase I don't post my stuff for a reason..I don't need your ooooo's and Ahhhhhh's

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Yeah, this guy's a talker. I looked to see if he'd actually ever posted anything and found nada, just ridiculous comments about how he'd take a McFarlane Spidey cover over a Romita Spidey cover any day, McFarlane, this , McFarlane that, and he only buys one page of art every few years for 5-10K. :screwy:

 

Noobs- you may disregard said advice.

 

Buy what you like... just like the advice that has been given here right? You found Nada becuase I don't post my stuff for a reason..I don't need your ooooo's and Ahhhhhh's

 

errr.. you seem to be contradicting yourself. It sounds like you don't buy what you like, which means you buy what others like that you don't like yourself? But you don't need ooo's and ahhhh's? That makes no sense.

 

Malvin

 

 

 

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Yeah, this guy's a talker. I looked to see if he'd actually ever posted anything and found nada, just ridiculous comments about how he'd take a McFarlane Spidey cover over a Romita Spidey cover any day, McFarlane, this , McFarlane that, and he only buys one page of art every few years for 5-10K. :screwy:

 

Noobs- you may disregard said advice.

 

Buy what you like... just like the advice that has been given here right? You found Nada becuase I don't post my stuff for a reason..I don't need your ooooo's and Ahhhhhh's

 

errr.. you seem to be contradicting yourself. It sounds like you don't buy what you like, which means you buy what others like that you don't like yourself? But you don't need ooo's and ahhhh's? That makes no sense.

 

Malvin

 

 

 

What kind of name is Malvin anyway?

 

Besides, I do buy what I like, but what I like is what everyone else likes, which is also the $$$ stuff. Ya dig?

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Yeah, this guy's a talker. I looked to see if he'd actually ever posted anything and found nada, just ridiculous comments about how he'd take a McFarlane Spidey cover over a Romita Spidey cover any day, McFarlane, this , McFarlane that, and he only buys one page of art every few years for 5-10K. :screwy:

 

Noobs- you may disregard said advice.

 

Buy what you like... just like the advice that has been given here right? You found Nada becuase I don't post my stuff for a reason..I don't need your ooooo's and Ahhhhhh's

 

errr.. you seem to be contradicting yourself. It sounds like you don't buy what you like, which means you buy what others like that you don't like yourself? But you don't need ooo's and ahhhh's? That makes no sense.

 

Malvin

 

 

 

What kind of name is Malvin anyway?

 

Besides, I do buy what I like, but what I like is what everyone else likes, which is also the $$$ stuff. Ya dig?

Put up or shut up. I'm pretty sure nobody frequenting this thread believes you actually have the goods to back up your "expertise."

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I've had Kevin on ignore for years now simply because he tends to stir trouble with his posts.

 

The reason people say to buy what you love is so that value takes a second place to the actual appreciation of the art itself.

 

Buying for investment is never a sure thing. Buying what you love is.

 

 

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I've had Kevin on ignore for years now simply because he tends to stir trouble with his posts.

 

The reason people say to buy what you love is so that value takes a second place to the actual appreciation of the art itself.

 

Buying for investment is never a sure thing. Buying what you love is.

 

I just figured with all the talk, the guy must have a spectacular art collection. I always like looking at spectacular art. Though, honestly, I could take or leave both Frank Miller and McFarlane, so if that's what he's got (if he even has anything) I probably wouldn't click past the thumbnails.

I like the advice everyone is giving about buying what you like. I wouldn't argue with buying the best possible pieces by marquee artists on their most famous characters, but most collectors aren't millionaires. The only thing I would add, is to learn to recognize opportunities. Recently, a major art dealer posted for sale a page from an incredible hot penciller/inker for an absurdly low price. I emailed about it the second I saw it, but somebody else already snagged it (or he withdrew it realizing it was so underpriced). Whoever snagged it got a hell of a deal based on sales from last week on Heritage and Ebay. Sometimes stuff like that happens. Most of the best pieces in my collection were not targeted by me so much as they were available for the right price at the right time.

 

My CAF Gallery

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I'm sure Kevin has a decent art collection as he had a spectacular Journey Into Mystery collection before got into art. He just has a "way with words" on here.

 

The only thing I would add, is to learn to recognize opportunities. Recently, a major art dealer posted for sale a page from an incredible hot penciller/inker for an absurdly low price. I emailed about it the second I saw it, but somebody else already snagged it (or he withdrew it realizing it was so underpriced).

 

This is so true. I've missed out on some absolutely spectacular opportunities to pick up some A tier art pieces (Ditko Spider-man at a fraction of market value) and some personally special pieces (Everett Sub-mariner from Tales To Astonish) simply because I didn't realize what I was looking at was a steal.

 

By the time I realized it was time to dive in, I'd missed the opportunity.

 

 

 

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Buy what you like... just like the advice that has been given here right? You found Nada becuase I don't post my stuff for a reason..I don't need your ooooo's and Ahhhhhh's

 

errr.. you seem to be contradicting yourself. It sounds like you don't buy what you like, which means you buy what others like that you don't like yourself? But you don't need ooo's and ahhhh's? That makes no sense.

 

Malvin

 

 

 

What kind of name is Malvin anyway?

 

Besides, I do buy what I like, but what I like is what everyone else likes, which is also the $$$ stuff. Ya dig?

 

You are still contradicting yourself. You mock people (and advice) to buy what you like, but you do it. But its OK if you do it as long as you buy what everyone else likes.. which can't be true, because everyone can't like the same thing.

 

Of course if you can't articulate your argument, you can always just make fun of the guys name...

 

Malvin

 

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Buy what you like... just like the advice that has been given here right? You found Nada becuase I don't post my stuff for a reason..I don't need your ooooo's and Ahhhhhh's

 

errr.. you seem to be contradicting yourself. It sounds like you don't buy what you like, which means you buy what others like that you don't like yourself? But you don't need ooo's and ahhhh's? That makes no sense.

 

Malvin

 

 

 

What kind of name is Malvin anyway?

 

Besides, I do buy what I like, but what I like is what everyone else likes, which is also the $$$ stuff. Ya dig?

 

You are still contradicting yourself. You mock people (and advice) to buy what you like, but you do it. But its OK if you do it as long as you buy what everyone else likes.. which can't be true, because everyone can't like the same thing.

 

Of course if you can't articulate your argument, you can always just make fun of the guys name...

 

Malvin

 

You're not making any sense yourself. You're over analyzing what I'm trying to say.

 

You guys seem to have divided up the art of collecting art into 2 catagories. 1 being buy what you like and the 2nd buying for investment....What I'm trying to tell you ladies is, why can't you buy what you like as an investment...I'll never buy a piece of art,hang it on the wall, say that art looks terrible but I hope it'll pay for my retirement. Artists like Ditko,John Byrne and Romita simply bored me to tears. I'll always take a Mcfarlane Spider-Man over a Romita and I'll always take a Wrightson over a Ditko. I'm not say they are bad artists, they really have made a name for themselfs (Ditko seems to be a weirdo anyhow,him and Alan Moore should work on something together) They just don't give me a hard on when I look at thier artwork the way, Wrightson does...

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Congrats to all on the Sticky status of the thread!

This thread is a great service to collectors new AND old!

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Andrew

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