Josef Rubinstein - Bad Commission Experience Warning!!! 1 1

[Speedy-D]

I have been waiting almost three years for my sketch from Joe. He doesn't respond to email any longer, and by no means did I hound him via emai. It's a shame that there are people like him in this hobby. Believe me there are many more out there that have gotten screwed over by this con artist. For those he may of come through for you may label him any way you would like but as far as I'm concerned he's a con man.

 

He just keeps pumping out the dynamic forces stuff and ignores many of us.

 

When he was answering emails he said he would be done real soon and that he would give me a few freebies for my extended wait. What a BS artist he is, it's been a year since that email.

 

Some advice stay clear of this guy and put your money with the dozens and dozens of fan friendly artist. Learn from my mistake.

 

 

did you read the post directly above yours before you wrote this?

 

I did but I had to get that off my chest.

After three years, you get it off your chest less than three hours after a plan is finally in effect.

[Secret Son]

I have been waiting almost three years for my sketch from Joe. He doesn't respond to email any longer, and by no means did I hound him via emai. It's a shame that there are people like him in this hobby. Believe me there are many more out there that have gotten screwed over by this con artist. For those he may of come through for you may label him any way you would like but as far as I'm concerned he's a con man.

 

He just keeps pumping out the dynamic forces stuff and ignores many of us.

 

When he was answering emails he said he would be done real soon and that he would give me a few freebies for my extended wait. What a BS artist he is, it's been a year since that email.

 

Some advice stay clear of this guy and put your money with the dozens and dozens of fan friendly artist. Learn from my mistake.

 

 

did you read the post directly above yours before you wrote this?

 

I did but I had to get that off my chest.

After three years, you get it off your chest less than three hours after a plan is finally in effect.

 

We'll see if this "plan" works out. I hope it does for all that have been affected. As I said before it's off my chest, so for me the timing of it means nothing.

[*paull*]

For the sake of understanding, the solution to this problem is the following:

 

1. You're not getting a refund and your money is gone

2. You'll get your commission someday

3. And it may take even longer if Josef wants to pursue more paid commissions in the meantime

 

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[Speedy-D]

For the sake of understanding, the solution to this problem is the following:

 

1. You're not getting a refund and your money is gone

2. You'll get your commission someday

3. And it may take even longer if Josef wants to pursue more paid commissions in the meantime

 

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

What other solution could there be? Assuming JR doesn't have the scratch to give everyone refunds, and I see no reason not to believe that, what's he supposed to do? He can only do the work as quickly as he can do it. And he has to do other commissions, at least occasionally, to pay the bills. :shrug:

[Romain]

To all of those customers on the Josef Rubinstein Commissions Waiting List:

 

 

I have spent the last two days in consultation with both Josef Rubinstein

and my attorneys at great length about this unfortunate situation and how to

resolve it amicably and as painlessly as possible.

 

To be sure ... Josef has never once denied he owes anyone anything.

He simply got himself into a bit of a sinkhole and we are trying to dig him

out of it so everyone walks away clean and happy.

 

Josef has agreed to let me help sort out the outstanding commissions for

him.

If you are one of the customers who is currently waiting for a commission

from Josef AND can prove that you have already paid for it, please let me

know by May 30, 2012 the following information:

 

1) Date of Payment – when did you actually pay Joe?

 

2) Proof of payment – either a canceled check, a confirmation email from

Joe, a copy of a PayPal statement, etc., Something to prove beyond a shadow of

a doubt you have paid the amount you claim.

 

3) Exact Amount of payment

 

4) What the commission is – I will need as many details here as possible –

I want to know EXACTLY what it was that you wanted Joe to do. Please

describe in great detail the size of the piece, whether it was pencils only,

pencils and inks, a painting, etc., which character(s) in what pose in which

costumes. In other words, I want to have all of the details necessary so that I

can have them for Joe so there can be no chance of any misunderstandings.

 

5) If there is something REASONABLE Josef can do to upgrade your request,

let me know.

If it can be REASONABLY accommodated it will be.

If your request was for Captain America single figure drawing and you ask

to be upgraded to the full Avengers lineup ... well that is not reasonable.

However, it your piece was a single figure no background and a limited

background would work for you fine.

Just be realistic in your request.

The last time I had to deal with something like this, a customer asked for

an upgrade from a one figure pencil only drawing 8 1/2" x 11" to an 11" x

17" -- 12 figure pencil, ink and tonal wash drawing with a full New York City

background ... NOT REASONABLE and the request was denied for obvious

reasons.

 

6) Your contact information as follows:

FULL NAME

STREET ADDRESS

CITY

STATE / PROVINCE

COUNTRY

POSTAL CODE

DAYTIME PHONE NUMBER

EVENING PHONE NUMBER

 

It is very important that I receive this information on or before May 30th,

2012.

After that, I will be compiling all of the information into a list.

I will then have Joe start working on the commissions, starting with the

oldest piece first working towards the newest piece.

If I do not have ALL of the requested information from you on or before May

30th, you will not be placed in the proper position on the waiting list

(that doesn't mean you won't get one if you are owed one, it just means your

piece will come at the end of the list).

We reserve the right though to bounce around should Josef have a piece just

about finished which only needs a short bit of time to complete or

something simple like a blank comic cover or a sketch card which can be

completed in

an hour or two or three.

 

To answer the inevitable question ... unfortunately, Josef is not

financially sound enough to offer full refunds at this point.

I am sorry.

Both he and I wish he was, but he is not.

In this economy, as most people know ... just keeping your head above water

is hard enough.

That is not to excuse for what has happened ... I just want to be up front

about everything.

We are going to do our best to get everyone an awesome piece and Josef is

going to go to town on all of the pieces to give you your monies worth and a

little bit more.

 

Now, once this information is in and the credibility of the request

established, as a slight apology from Josef ... you may go to his page on my

website http://www.theartistschoice.com/rubinstein.htm'>http://www.theartistschoice.com/rubinstein.htm and choose ANY page equal

to 25% of the amount paid and it will be sent to you no charge.

I request more than one option as the web page is slightly out of date. (

SORRY ). Due to the costs involved, International requests will either

require additional shipping fees OR the piece can be held until the commission

is

completed and shipped with it ... whenever that might be.

I, not Josef is doing the shipping and the method I use for International

shipping is quite expensive. SORRY.

 

I know some of you are troubled that Josef might take on a couple of new,

smaller commissions during this recovery time ... but the man has to eat

while he completes this backlog.

I am NOT saying he is going to and I am going to do all I can to discourage

him ... BUT, IF his bills get too much AND he needs help AND he does accept

them ... he is going to rotate new commissions with his old backlog ( with

the focus on the old overdue ones ) in order to keep his head above water.

The commissions will also be done in and around his quote "regular" comics

work as well.

 

It is our intention / hope that we will see some good, steady progress on a

regular basis and that Josef will be able to restore his reputation and /

or at least show everyone that he is NOT the thief he has been made out to be

and our hope is that your piece was worth the wait and then some.

 

If anyone has any questions, PLEASE do not hesitate to contact me.

I am sure there is something I have not covered and it will come up.

I believe in full disclosure so there will be nothing held back if correct

information is given to me by the customers.

 

From this point on, please do not contact Josef directly about the

outstanding commissions.

Please contact ME at SpencerBck@... with any issues, questions,

concerns or the much needed commissions information.

I will be the keeper of the list in order to avoid any potential confusion

and any potential email misunderstandings.

 

I look forward to hearing from those of you who are waiting on commissions

from Josef.

I HOPE that this is enough of a commitment to make those waiting happy.

If it is not, I am sorry.

Outside of Josef winning the lottery, this is the best that can be done and

I hope it is sufficient.

 

Lastly, THANK YOU for your respect and your incredible patience the last

few days while I tried to work out the best possible solution to a bad

situation.

I look forward to getting you something you will be proud to own.

 

Respectfully,

Spencer R. Beck

The Artist's Choice

http://www.theartistschoice.com

 

PS: Once again, feel free to post this on any and all message boards you

think pertinent.

 

this a copy a the mail I sent two minutes ago to Spencer

 

1 : paid on 21/08/08 $200

on 15/09/08 $200

on 27/12/08 $300

on 07/02/09 $500

 

2 :

 

 

 

 

 

Bonjour romain verlier,

 

 

Votre paiement de $200,00 USD au bénéfice de jjr6658@aol.com a été envoyé.

 

Il vous faudra attendre quelques instants avant de voir apparaître cette transaction dans l'Activité récente de l'Aperçu du compte.

 

 

Conversion de devise : €139,71 EUR = $200,00 USD

Le taux de change appliqué à cet achat est de 1 EUR = 1,43154USD

 

 

Détails du paiement

 

 

Montant : $200,00 USD

 

Numéro de transaction : 5KU11394MV594994N

 

Objet : comission deposit

 

Message :

Here is a small deposit !!! Please take your time so I can take mine... kind regards, Romain

 

Afficher les détails de cette transaction en ligne

 

 

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Bonjour romain verlier,

 

 

Votre paiement de $200,00 USD au bénéfice de jjr6658@aol.com a été envoyé.

 

Il vous faudra attendre quelques instants avant de voir apparaître cette transaction dans l'Activité récente de l'Aperçu du compte.

 

 

Conversion de devise : €143,33 EUR = $200,00 USD

Le taux de change appliqué à cet achat est de 1 EUR = 1,39545USD

 

 

Détails du paiement

 

 

Montant : $200,00 USD

 

Numéro de transaction : 2S30457392834352K

 

Objet : cosmic comission 2d payment !!!

 

Message :

Dear Joe, I hope everything is fine for you ... best regards, Romain

 

Afficher les détails de cette transaction en ligne

 

 

Cordialement,

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Bonjour romain verlier,

 

Vous avez envoyé un paiement de $300,00 USD à jjr6658@aol.com.

 

Cette transaction apparaîtra bientôt dans l'Activité récente de votre Aperçu du compte.

 

Conversion de devise : €219,81 EUR = $300,00 USD

 

Le taux de change appliqué à cet achat est de 1 EUR = 1,36483USD

 

Détails du paiement

 

Montant : $300,00 USD

Date de la transaction : 27 déc 2008

Numéro de transaction : 7XV70923RP300734Y

 

Objet : Vous avez reçu de l'argent !

 

Adresse de livraison :

 

26 rue thiers

boulogne billancourt

France

Afficher les détails de cette transaction en ligne

 

 

Cordialement,

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7 fév 2009 Paiement A Josef Rubinstein Terminé ... -$500,00 USD

 

 

Transactions associées

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7 fév 2009 Débit sur carte bancaire TerminéLe virement de votre carte bancaire vers votre compte PayPal a été effectué.

Le virement de votre carte bancaire vers votre compte PayPal a été effectué. Détails €293,45 EUR

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Envoyé à :

Josef Rubinstein (Le destinataire de ce paiement est Vérifié)

Email :

jjr6658@aol.com

 

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Montant total :

-$500,00 USD

Montant de la commission :

$0,00 USD

Montant net :

-$500,00 USD (soit -€293,45 EUR)

 

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Conversion de :

-€293,45 EUR

Conversion en :

$369,50 USD

Taux de change :

1 Euro = 1,25915 Dollars USD

 

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Date :

7 fév 2009

Heure :

15:02:34 CET

État :

Terminé

 

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Objet :

Vous avez reçu de l'argent !

Remarque :

Dear Joe here is the final payment for the long expected commission piece Dreadstar #1/Avengers Annual #7 covers !!! Sorry to have been so long ... Thanks for your patience, kind regards, Romain Verlier

Type d'approvisionnement :

Solde PayPal et Carte bancaire

Source d'approvisionnement :

$130,50 USD - Compte PayPal

€293,45 EUR - Carte Visa XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-9802

 

Cette transaction apparaîtra sur votre relevé sous l'intitulé "PAYPAL *JJR6658".

 

 

 

 

 

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3 : total $1.2K all via paypal

 

4 : Dreadstar #1 cover and Avengers Annual #7 cover blended together to form a wrap or DPS A Lord Papal head added to make the symmetry with Thanos'

 

Appart from these precise demands all was at the discretion of the artist ( logo, one sheet or two sheets, etc ... )

 

Pencil and inks .....

 

5 : it only takes a few minutes to write a note and that's what I'd want ..

 

6 : Romain Verlier

 

26, Rue Thiers ( street )

 

interphone rue 5 ( additiional address )

 

Boulogne Billancourt ( City )

 

92100 ( zipcode )

 

France ( Country )

 

phone : 0033 684 436 873 day or night

 

 

 

You address to ALL the commissioners so here is my file ...If you decide to let me out of it please just say so but publicly

 

Please note I will stay true to my words so the commission should it happen will be offered on ebay for no reserve toward the Hero Initiative unless you point me a better charity cause .

 

 

 

Romain Verlier

 

PS : COPY OF THIS EMAIL WILL BE POSTED ON THE BOARD

 

 

[Speedy-D]

Sacré Bleu!!!

[Mmehdy]

For the sake of understanding, the solution to this problem is the following:

 

1. You're not getting a refund and your money is gone

2. You'll get your commission someday

3. And it may take even longer if Josef wants to pursue more paid commissions in the meantime

 

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

 

It just a crying shame.

[montrealfilmguy]

You'll forgive me if i post this but i find it extremely ironic that the word escrow in english and its french counterpart have two totally different meanings

 

different spellings but same pronounciations

 

escrow as in escrow service,and escroc which is basically a swindler or crook.

 

http://dictionary.reverso.net/french-english/escroc

[Speedy-D]

Why is is ironic that two different words with different spellings have different meanings in different languages?

[alxjhnsn]

They sound the same (homophone).

 

 

[AtlasFan]

Oddly enough "souffle" in English is also "soufffle" in French...

[Pirate]

I called the number on romain's email and it's an escort service.

[Schmakt]

I don't have a horse in this race, but seems like Spencer's email is about the best that could come of this. I really hope he's able to work out a schedule that works for everyone and JR gets a chance to finish these pieces. Good luck to everyone!

[Romain]

I called the number on romain's email and it's an escort service.

 

Is that supposed to be funny ?

 

 

[Pirate]

only if people laugh.

[Romain]

OK I'm laughing !!!

 

 

[seanfingh]

I don't have a horse in this race, but seems like Spencer's email is about the best that could come of this. I really hope he's able to work out a schedule that works for everyone and JR gets a chance to finish these pieces. Good luck to everyone!

 

The fact that Spencer Beck has taken on this challenging assignment tells me everything I need to know about him. Talk about bending over backwards for your clients. Let me be clear, nothing that Spencer is doing in any way exonerates Mr. Rubinstein and his dilatory behavior, but the way that Spencer is trying to take care of this is amazing. I hope Mr. Rubinstein knows what an amazing advisor/representative he has.

[AtlasFan]

I am sure that Mr. Beck is a wonderful humanitarian, but remember, since Rubenstein is his client, any bad press about JR could affect Beck's bottom line.

 

It’s just good business to take (or at least appear to take) some action to rectify the problem.

 

[koollectablz]

I dunno, like the other guy I have no horse in this race (cool phrase) but it certainly seems to me that Spencer could very easily walk away from the whole sorry mess without anything coming back to him. JR is an adult who is free to make his own deals that Spencer has naff all to do with, and really why should he.

 

That he's willing to try (Spencer) and sort this situation out is extremely commendable and I for one will certainly remember his efforts for a long time whether or not I ever have any dealings with him.

 

Fair play to the man.

 

As for JR, I think I'd have reported him to the police by now, or at least tried to lodge a civil complaint against him. What the French guy has paid for and recieved is criminal.

 

JMHO.

[seanfingh]

I am sure that Mr. Beck is a wonderful humanitarian, but remember, since Rubenstein is his client, any bad press about JR could affect Beck's bottom line.

 

It’s just good business to take (or at least appear to take) some action to rectify the problem.

 

Who said anything about being a humanitarian? Everything I posted relates to the Beck-Rubinstein representative/client relationship. It would be easy to say "F yourself Rubinstein, fix your own problems and find a new rep while you are at it."

 

Spencer Beck didn't do that, and I reiterate, it says a lot about his character.