BronzeBruce13 Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 I agree... no real bickering... respect shown to other's POV... polite disagreement at worst... quality information flying about. It all lead to us finishing the thread when we were ready... not when it was hijacked, turned into verbal boxing match, or sent off-track. In short, we all benefited from the varied points of views presented. I learned many answers I sought out. Overall, I grade this thread a NM/M 9.8... maybe a Mint 9.9 if more people agreed with my theories Kudos Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonds25 Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 I know how high it can go - over $15,000! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELBRUJO Posted March 7, 2003 Share Posted March 7, 2003 About 7 years ago I went around to all the comic stores and bought all the 181'S I could find, ended up with about 9 pretty good copies(2 ended up CGC 9.2)the others I sold several years ago. I feel this is going to be a book that continues to see growth. I bought a collection about 8 months ago for $280.00 from this antique dealer and there was about 300 silver age including hulk 175-186 and had the 181 CGC'D at 8.0, not really high grade but pretty good for the cost. Some people may think 19,000 is high for the 181(which it is) but having a "key issue" like that and there is only one that has graded higher, I'd love to have it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Smooth Posted March 11, 2003 Share Posted March 11, 2003 bump your thread lives on Bruce! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronzeBruce13 Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 This is Lee's thread... and a great one at that... and still an unanswerable question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Smooth Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 oh yeah, you had the "My holy grail is up for sale" thread which was equally good. Hows the "trifecta" coming? (cgc 9.8s of Hulk 180,181,182) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Man_Of_Steel Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 I thought I would give an update to what I reported a couple of months ago in this thread: "According to Jan. 9th 2003 CGC census 1,177 copies of Incredible Hulk 181 have been graded. What percentage is 1,177 out of 202,592? Of the 1,177 CGC graded copies 407 of them grade 9.0 or higher. The VAST MAJORITY of total copies printed/sold have yet to graded by CGC." The numbers are raising, according to March 12, 2003 the CGC cencus show a total of 1,243 copies, and 421 copies grade 9.0 and higher. From comparing these two reports, in the past month 66 copies have been graded, and 14 of them have graded 9.0 and higher. IMO, it would be interesting to look at the number of submissions year by year for Incredible Hulk 181. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronze Posted March 15, 2003 Share Posted March 15, 2003 Hulk 181 according to the above,is not exactly a rarity.It's demand is based mostly on Wolverines 1st full appearance than anything else.There will be copies of this book in high grade available for many years to come.Don't forget about other factors too such as hoarding,undiscovered collections,lost warehouse etc. Don't get me wrong though-this book is baby steps in terms of it's ultimate spec value and investment potential.But there are still other treasures out there that can be had for far less in the same condition that will always have an"up" curve and/or are on the rise.Some of them may even surprise the living daylights out of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephisto Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 On 1/6/2003 at 6:46 AM, fantastic_four said: To estimate the ceiling on a Hulk 181, you have to estimate how many people want one, how many copies are available, and how much disposable income those people have available to them. Most Hulk 181 buyers are going to be around 25 to 40. Wolverine has not waned in popularity at all over the years, so as the Golden and Silver Age guys die off over the next few decades, the Hulk 181 marketplace will continue to grow. I'll be surprised if a NM Hulk 181 isn't a 10K book in 15 years. It has a ceiling, but we haven't come close to hitting it yet. Especially if CGC or another grading company starts factoring into their grading the eye appeal factors that Hammer alludes to and we've all (ComicInvestor, Murph, myself, and others) person_without_enough_empathyed about in these forums. He's right, finding a Hulk 181 with a perfectly set cover, bright cover inks and gloss, and zero translucency showing through the "Hulk" title is a tough find. MGsimba77 and alexgross.com 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantastic_four Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 24 minutes ago, Mephisto said: On 1/6/2003 at 6:46 AM, fantastic_four said: To estimate the ceiling on a Hulk 181, you have to estimate how many people want one, how many copies are available, and how much disposable income those people have available to them. Most Hulk 181 buyers are going to be around 25 to 40. Wolverine has not waned in popularity at all over the years, so as the Golden and Silver Age guys die off over the next few decades, the Hulk 181 marketplace will continue to grow. I'll be surprised if a NM Hulk 181 isn't a 10K book in 15 years. It has a ceiling, but we haven't come close to hitting it yet. Especially if CGC or another grading company starts factoring into their grading the eye appeal factors that Hammer alludes to and we've all (ComicInvestor, Murph, myself, and others) person_without_enough_empathyed about in these forums. He's right, finding a Hulk 181 with a perfectly set cover, bright cover inks and gloss, and zero translucency showing through the "Hulk" title is a tough find. Well, I was a bit off, so I guess I'm surprised! I forecasted a 9.4 Hulk as a $10K book this year, but it's around $11K in 9.6 and $7500 in 9.4. Not far off though. Howling Mad and alexgross.com 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephisto Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, fantastic_four said: Well, I was a bit off, so I guess I'm surprised! I forecasted a 9.4 Hulk as a $10K book this year, but it's around $11K in 9.6 and $7500 in 9.4. Not far off though. I was actually looking for an OA post but I thought I just read a 9.0 sold recently for 8K so I assumed 9.4’s were cracking the 10K mark. All I know is this book shot way up in the last year or so and has left GSX 1 in the dust. I just checked eBay completed sales and the last 3 Blue label 9.4’a sold for at least 9.5K with the most recent at 9.8K. I know Gene will say that isn’t that great of growth for 15 years but the there are a lot of copies of this book out there! Be impressed Gene! Edited January 4, 2019 by Mephisto MGsimba77 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantastic_four Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 11 hours ago, Mephisto said: I was actually looking for an OA post but I thought I just read a 9.0 sold recently for 8K so I assumed 9.4’s were cracking the 10K mark. All I know is this book shot way up in the last year or so and has left GSX 1 in the dust. I just checked eBay completed sales and the last 3 Blue label 9.4’a sold for at least 9.5K with the most recent at 9.8K. I know Gene will say that isn’t that great of growth for 15 years but the there are a lot of copies of this book out there! Be impressed Gene! Yea I saw those in GPA. The average I gave was for the last 12 month period but you're right, the last three months has seen the average for 9.4s at around $9.5K or so. But 9.6s aren't similarly inflated, so I'm assuming it's an anomaly unless it continues for another 6+ months. MGsimba77 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGsimba77 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 19 hours ago, fantastic_four said: Yea I saw those in GPA. The average I gave was for the last 12 month period but you're right, the last three months has seen the average for 9.4s at around $9.5K or so. But 9.6s aren't similarly inflated, so I'm assuming it's an anomaly unless it continues for another 6+ months. 90 day average for 9.6 is ~13,650. Would be higher if not for a copy that was re-auctioned on eBay & went lower in the second auction You're being too modest my good man! Declare victory! Any other prognostications? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delekkerste Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 On 1/4/2019 at 10:58 AM, Mephisto said: I know Gene will say that isn’t that great of growth for 15 years but the there are a lot of copies of this book out there! Be impressed Gene! Somebody please sell me put options on this book and credit default swaps on the people buying at these prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 38 minutes ago, delekkerste said: Somebody please sell me put options on this book and credit default swaps on the people buying at these prices. I am looking at adding a WP well centred 9.4 this year...........if I can sell you CDSs on myself for doing that I would gladly do it to help pay for the cost of the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledgehammer Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 On 1/10/2019 at 11:58 PM, kimik said: I am looking at adding a WP well centred 9.4 this year...........if I can sell you CDSs on myself for doing that I would gladly do it to help pay for the cost of the book. I remember my mother telling me I was stupid for cutting the marvel value stamps out of my comics. My mother. To think that ASM 129 missed by one month from so many copies facing the same fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callaway29 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Not another one. How many threads on 181’s price do we need?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledgehammer Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 12 hours ago, Callaway29 said: Not another one. How many threads on 181’s price do we need?! Right. 15 threads in the Bronze age section have had activity in the last week. There's just a ton of vital info that I should not derail with repetition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
