Subscription Crease 0

[epowe10097]

I once heard a subscription crease brings a book automatically down to a VG. Is this necessarily the case? If so, on CGC's scale would it achieve a 5.0 or not? Thanks.

[StuporMan]

Overstreet grading guide sez highest 3.0 G/VG for book-length creases.

 

CGC defines the crease as "Subscription Crease. A large crease down the center of a comic book caused by the folding of a comic for mailing. Considered a defect."

 

I can't find an example of a CGC book with a near book length crease that was over a 3.5.

[zzutak]

Within the group I've dealt with the past 40+ years, a color-breaking subscription crease has always been grounds for a maximum grade of VG/FN. These examples from the Heritage Archive suggest that CGC follows a similar standard.

[Readymade Breakup]

I don't know if anyone is still reading this thread or can add any further info/examples. I just picked up a copy of Tec 359 (Tongie Farms). There was a pretty wicked sub crease, almost as if it was folded in half and put in someone's back pocket and maybe it was. The color break is definitely there, but not pronounced and doesn't run the entire length of the book. Otherwise it's in pretty nice shape. I'm in the process of having it pressed. So Im going to roll the dice and maybe I can score a 5.5 or above and break the curse.

[makeminemego]

Depending on the severity of the crease, vg-vgf.

[Crimebuster]

I just picked up a copy of Tec 359 (Tongie Farms). There was a pretty wicked sub crease, almost as if it was folded in half and put in someone's back pocket and maybe it was.

 

Well, that's what sub creases are, as comic subscriptions used to be mailed folded completely in half.

 

One of our fellow boardies recently posted his photo of some comics he has still in their original subscription envelopes.

 

 

 

[Dr. Balls]

Overstreet grading guide sez highest 3.0 G/VG for book-length creases.

 

CGC defines the crease as "Subscription Crease. A large crease down the center of a comic book caused by the folding of a comic for mailing. Considered a defect."

 

I can't find an example of a CGC book with a near book length crease that was over a 3.5.

 

I bought an Amazing Spider-Man 39 in 5.0 CGC SS two years ago on the board with a wicked full-length sub-crease. I don't own it anymore, nor do I have the scan, so all I can contribute is my opinion.

[Readymade Breakup]

That's pretty cool, thanks for reposting that. I'm curious to see what a press is going to do to my book. Obviously nothing to the color break, but hopefully it will neutralize the bend and it'll lay flat.

[BlowUpTheMoon]

I just picked up a copy of Tec 359 (Tongie Farms). There was a pretty wicked sub crease, almost as if it was folded in half and put in someone's back pocket and maybe it was.

 

Well, that's what sub creases are, as comic subscriptions used to be mailed folded completely in half.

 

One of our fellow boardies recently posted his photo of some comics he has still in their original subscription envelopes.

 

 

 

 

I want those!

[Tony S]

That's pretty cool, thanks for reposting that. I'm curious to see what a press is going to do to my book. Obviously nothing to the color break, but hopefully it will neutralize the bend and it'll lay flat.

 

It should lay flat after a press. If you hold the book in hand though, you will still often feel it sort of "sag" down the middle where the subs crease was at. Will look better after a press though. Like the others that have posted here, I've not seen a subs crease (that broke color) better than 5.0 - but that doesn't mean it has not happened

[Readymade Breakup]

I ran across this while I was checking out a little of this and that on ebay. This looks like the color break pattern of a sub crease. If so, it beat the curse with a 5.5. Hopefully the link works:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/290952506897?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

[rocny71]

Just scored BIG. Landed a beautiful comic - would easily grade at 9.0, but it has a light subscription crease. The good people of CGC graded and slabbed it at 5.0! I got it for a mere pittance. Snow white pages. Sharp corners. A beauty. 

[Bomber-Bob]

1 hour ago, rocny71 said:

Just scored BIG. Landed a beautiful comic - would easily grade at 9.0, but it has a light subscription crease. The good people of CGC graded and slabbed it at 5.0! I got it for a mere pittance. Snow white pages. Sharp corners. A beauty. 

Cool. Let's see a pic or it doesn't exist !

[makeminemego]

On 1/29/2018 at 4:34 PM, rocny71 said:

Just scored BIG. Landed a beautiful comic - would easily grade at 9.0, but it has a light subscription crease. The good people of CGC graded and slabbed it at 5.0! I got it for a mere pittance. Snow white pages. Sharp corners. A beauty. 

Raw sub crease copies with strong spines and white pages=best bang for the buck in the hobby.  

It's gotten to the point that books fitting that profile are all that I buy, with very few exceptions.  

[comicquant]

I've definitely seen recently graded CGC books at a 4.5/5.0 with full length sub creases.

[AJD]

This one has a pretty gnarly sub crease! Walt Disney's Comics & Stories #194.