VintageComics Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 So they are practically printed the same way now, just fast presses, cheaper plates, etc etc. Even comics, printed almost as cheaply as possible are mostly very well printed items. What they lack, and why we think of them as shoddy, is there was no budget for quality control. They set the presses, got up to ink strength, and let them run... And only a major Fukkup that would require a reprint by an angry client would stop the presses. Two excellant points. I'd add that paper and ink quality has changed since then and Marvel's choice of paper and ink in the early 60's is the main reason that they are hard to find in high grade. Marvel chipping, smudging, cracking inks, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman619 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Yes. But paper has been perfected for a thousand years. I don't think science has changed it that much in the last 50 years, especially in the cheaper end of the spectrum, like the newsprint, and thin cover stock which comics use. However, Some of the thicker card stocks used for high end packaging (perfumes and cosmetics, Apple packaging etc) may now include fantastic mixes of plastic and or clays etc which do qualify as technologically innovative. I can't remember the reason comics went to Mando paper... Which was sold to us as a revolutionary breakthrough, But I'm pretty sure it was because it was very cheap while still able to handle the higher dot screens that comics switched to for a wider palette of color combinations that were competitively necessary at that point. Ink hitting common newsprint tends to bleed a bit which cuts down sharpness and therefore can't handle the tighter line screens like 150 or 175 used in high end coffee table picture books. For comparison, newspapers were printed at only 65 dots per inch well through the 80s. They would reject any ads sent to them any tighter . Today they print regularly in color and allow 85 or 100 lines per inch. Again, competitive pressures forced the mainstream newspapers to upgrade to color (USA Today was a major innovator that propelled the industry forward. But realizing that they could charge MORE for color ads also helped ease the transition and softened the blow of refitting their printing plants with four color presses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 I understand. My point was specifically about Marvel choosing cheaper paper, not that better paper was not available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Man Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 A client choosing a cheaper paper stock on a huge web press run like a comic book or magazine can save MANY thousands of dollars. Not repleshing ink or making new plates during the run would do the same. These were ment to be read and thrown away... I was recently given a current MAD magazine and was shocked how thin the paper stock was. Amazing it would hold a dot considering it is now a 4 color magazine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin76 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 A client choosing a cheaper paper stock on a huge web press run like a comic book or magazine can save MANY thousands of dollars. Not replenishing ink or making new plates during the run would do the same. These were ment to be read and thrown away... I was recently given a current MAD magazine and was shocked how thin the paper stock was. Amazing it would hold a dot considering it is now a 4 color magazine. Comics were printed on flexograph presses, web size was small. 10 or 12 inches or so. Plates don't cost much, we use 66 inch plates and they run around a $100 a plate. Need 8 of them though, 4 colors, top and bottom. You have to replenish the ink cause the ink fountain doesn't hold enough ink for the entire job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC22 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Here is my BB28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Very nice copy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC22 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 16 minutes ago, kimik said: Very nice copy! Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ltpink2002 Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Rezin1234 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Beautiful copy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peewee22 Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 (edited) What a damn book! I'll say it again...this is the best SA cover ever. Edited March 5, 2017 by peewee22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC22 Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Very nice high grade BB28 congrats!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin76 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 On 12/11/2016 at 1:27 PM, Robot Man said: A client choosing a cheaper paper stock on a huge web press run like a comic book or magazine can save MANY thousands of dollars. Not repleshing ink or making new plates during the run would do the same. These were ment to be read and thrown away... I was recently given a current MAD magazine and was shocked how thin the paper stock was. Amazing it would hold a dot considering it is now a 4 color magazine. Of course they replenished ink back then...think they just filled up the ink fountain once and let it run out but yet keep the press running? Of course not. Same with the plates, if the plate cracked, they changed it. Where are these comic guys getting their printing info from? Making it up in their heads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 (edited) The CGC 5.5 Conserved (Restored) copy went for more than I expected it to on Heritage tonight. Final price with the juice was $4541: https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-brave-and-the-bold-28-justice-league-of-america-dc-1960-cgc-conserved-fn-55-off-white-pages/a/121722-14318.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 Edited May 29, 2017 by kimik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piper Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 13 hours ago, kimik said: The CGC 5.5 Conserved (Restored) copy went for more than I expected it to on Heritage tonight. Final price with the juice was $4541: https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-brave-and-the-bold-28-justice-league-of-america-dc-1960-cgc-conserved-fn-55-off-white-pages/a/121722-14318.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 That seems really high! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bronze age fan* Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Add me to the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knightsofold Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Grats! Nice copy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC22 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 This BB28 CGC 6.0 ends in a few short hours and is at 6450$. http://www.comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2FAUCTIONS%2FSEARCH.ASP%3FFocusedOnly%3D1%26where%3Dauctions%26title%3Dbrave%2Band%2Bthe%2Bbold%2B28%26GO%3DGO%26ItemType%3DCB%23Item_1206854&id=1206854&itemType=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC22 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) Well it sold for a a low of 6450$. The cheapest I have seen a 6.0 sell for in a long while. Edited November 2, 2017 by SC22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Knight Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I think, even with a movie coming out in a week or two, that B&B prices is on a downward trend from earlier this year and especially last year. Would prove that a lot of key books have no impact on movies whatsoever. SC22 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
