Does a raw signature devalue a comic?

[Comicshrine]

Here's a couple of questions for people with more experience in the retail market then me;

 

Does a unwitnessed signature (no cgc involvement) on a comic devalue it? So if I got my VFN copy of Hulk 181 signed ny Herb Trimpe but not cgc witnessed,(which is a lot harder to do here in the UK), does it devalue?

 

If buyers had the choice what would they prefer a cgc comic with or without signature?

 

Does the signature on the front cover put some people off?

 

CGC is not new here in the UK but CGC signature series is so any info would be helpful.

 

 

[LloydJBailey]

I'd say it does for comics like that.

[king100]

The only place you could of got it signed was at LSCC if you had it signed in the UK and you could have had it witnessed and put into signature series.

 

I offer the service here in the UK and have some signings coming up in the next few weeks.

 

PM me if interested.

[porky]

i'd say no- if it was signed inside. with the availability of SS, it's probably not best to get books worth $ signed on the cover unwitnessed

[Mushie]

The existence of CGC SS has devalued raw sigs considerably. Getting common books signed raw for personal collection is a good move, but anything of value signed needs to be CGC SSed.

[Grey056]

Similar to some of the responses on here I'll say what I've been told by CGC front offices and by dealers;

 

- Having a raw signature (no witnesses or COA to give it a green label) hurts the value for top end collectors and will even cause the point grade to go down if submitted.

 

- Having it signed for yourself as a part of a private collection isn't so bad obviously if the book hold sentimental value. However, what you could do (what I've done in times past) is have the artist sign it again where there's an opportunity to have a CGC rep present and they more or less re-trace their previous signature.

 

Hopefully this helps, sir.

[devilsrain]

Similar to some of the responses on here I'll say what I've been told by CGC front offices and by dealers;

 

- Having a raw signature (no witnesses or COA to give it a green label) hurts the value for top end collectors and will even cause the point grade to go down if submitted.

 

- Having it signed for yourself as a part of a private collection isn't so bad obviously if the book hold sentimental value. However, what you could do (what I've done in times past) is have the artist sign it again where there's an opportunity to have a CGC rep present and they more or less re-trace their previous signature.

 

Hopefully this helps, sir.

 

Which of course is frowned upon

[comicsnyc22]

Similar to some of the responses on here I'll say what I've been told by CGC front offices and by dealers;

 

- Having a raw signature (no witnesses or COA to give it a green label) hurts the value for top end collectors and will even cause the point grade to go down if submitted.

 

- Having it signed for yourself as a part of a private collection isn't so bad obviously if the book hold sentimental value. However, what you could do (what I've done in times past) is have the artist sign it again where there's an opportunity to have a CGC rep present and they more or less re-trace their previous signature.

 

Hopefully this helps, sir.

 

Which of course is frowned upon

 

True, but CGC is barely a decade old, and the sigs before that count for something!

[NYComics]

Similar to some of the responses on here I'll say what I've been told by CGC front offices and by dealers;

 

- Having a raw signature (no witnesses or COA to give it a green label) hurts the value for top end collectors and will even cause the point grade to go down if submitted.

 

- Having it signed for yourself as a part of a private collection isn't so bad obviously if the book hold sentimental value. However, what you could do (what I've done in times past) is have the artist sign it again where there's an opportunity to have a CGC rep present and they more or less re-trace their previous signature.

 

Hopefully this helps, sir.

 

CGC Front offices told you it was OK for an artist to re-sign over their old autograph so that it could grade as a Yellow Label?

 

Do you mind clarifying here.

[Imodium]

This is also a postion i find myself in, I have a few raw sketches but cgc was not offered in my local con, but now there is a rep.... If this is frowned upon than i will keep it raw, if its allowed WHOA!!

 

Clarify please...

[Dr. Balls]

Signatures on key books turn me off completely - CGC or not. I wouldn't make a purchase of a key book with an autograph even at a deep discount.

 

If it's a book that I *may* sell down the line, I prefer CGC.

 

If it's sentimental, I don't care that they are not slabbed.

[Comicshrine]

So technically could an artist "trace" over their sketch and I could submit it in front of a cgc witness?

 

1) what do cgc witness's think of this

2) would an artist charge you again? Humm

[Goldeneye]

Similar to some of the responses on here I'll say what I've been told by CGC front offices and by dealers;

 

- Having a raw signature (no witnesses or COA to give it a green label) hurts the value for top end collectors and will even cause the point grade to go down if submitted.

 

- Having it signed for yourself as a part of a private collection isn't so bad obviously if the book hold sentimental value. However, what you could do (what I've done in times past) is have the artist sign it again where there's an opportunity to have a CGC rep present and they more or less re-trace their previous signature.

 

Hopefully this helps, sir.

 

CGC Front offices told you it was OK for an artist to re-sign over their old autograph so that it could grade as a Yellow Label?

 

Do you mind clarifying here.

 

I have seen at least one instance in here where someone brought in an X-Men 1 where you can tell Stan Lee signed over his old autograph because the 76 ink was in blue and the signature was i traced over in black ink by Stan Lee, but you could tell he missed part of the blue ink when he traced over it was graded and given a Signature Series. I have one SS comic myself in which I bought even though it was signed with Silver Ink Marker you can tell the writer signed over it again. I looked at the date witnessed and did some research on the writer and he has not signed his autograph this way in over 10 years. So it does happen. I don't encourage it because your screwing the next buyer of the comic. I think what happens is at big cons the witnesses are rushed and see the comic get signed, but don't see it up close. I think if they catch a person doing this technique they may get banned from using their services.

[Green]

Similar to some of the responses on here I'll say what I've been told by CGC front offices and by dealers;

 

- Having a raw signature (no witnesses or COA to give it a green label) hurts the value for top end collectors and will even cause the point grade to go down if submitted.

 

- Having it signed for yourself as a part of a private collection isn't so bad obviously if the book hold sentimental value. However, what you could do (what I've done in times past) is have the artist sign it again where there's an opportunity to have a CGC rep present and they more or less re-trace their previous signature.

 

Hopefully this helps, sir.

 

CGC Front offices told you it was OK for an artist to re-sign over their old autograph so that it could grade as a Yellow Label?

 

Do you mind clarifying here.

 

I have seen at least one instance in here where someone brought in an X-Men 1 where you can tell Stan Lee signed over his old autograph because the 76 ink was in blue and the signature was i traced over in black ink by Stan Lee, but you could tell he missed part of the blue ink when he traced over it was graded and given a Signature Series. I have one SS comic myself in which I bought even though it was signed with Silver Ink Marker you can tell the writer signed over it again. I looked at the date witnessed and did some research on the writer and he has not signed his autograph this way in over 10 years. So it does happen. I don't encourage it because your screwing the next buyer of the comic. I think what happens is at big cons the witnesses are rushed and see the comic get signed, but don't see it up close. I think if they catch a person doing this technique they may get banned from using their services.

 

Id love to see a scan!

[Goldeneye]

So technically could an artist "trace" over their sketch and I could submit it in front of a cgc witness?

 

1) what do cgc witness's think of this

2) would an artist charge you again? Humm

Its not encouraged and I think if the witness is caught they are let go of.

[Goldeneye]

Similar to some of the responses on here I'll say what I've been told by CGC front offices and by dealers;

 

- Having a raw signature (no witnesses or COA to give it a green label) hurts the value for top end collectors and will even cause the point grade to go down if submitted.

 

- Having it signed for yourself as a part of a private collection isn't so bad obviously if the book hold sentimental value. However, what you could do (what I've done in times past) is have the artist sign it again where there's an opportunity to have a CGC rep present and they more or less re-trace their previous signature.

 

Hopefully this helps, sir.

 

CGC Front offices told you it was OK for an artist to re-sign over their old autograph so that it could grade as a Yellow Label?

 

Do you mind clarifying here.

 

I have seen at least one instance in here where someone brought in an X-Men 1 where you can tell Stan Lee signed over his old autograph because the 76 ink was in blue and the signature was i traced over in black ink by Stan Lee, but you could tell he missed part of the blue ink when he traced over it was graded and given a Signature Series. I have one SS comic myself in which I bought even though it was signed with Silver Ink Marker you can tell the writer signed over it again. I looked at the date witnessed and did some research on the writer and he has not signed his autograph this way in over 10 years. So it does happen. I don't encourage it because your screwing the next buyer of the comic. I think what happens is at big cons the witnesses are rushed and see the comic get signed, but don't see it up close. I think if they catch a person doing this technique they may get banned from using their services.

 

Id love to see a scan!

[/img] Here is one I had done last year myself by the same writer

You can tell the difference in signatures and you can tell on the first one it was clearly signed twice and at different times. Like I say I don't encourage it because in the end the buyer like myself when I saw the comic in person I was slightly dissappointed.

[Mayor006]

i'd say no- if it was signed inside. with the availability of SS, it's probably not best to get books worth $ signed on the cover unwitnessed

 

Oddly enough though I've actually gotten books signed that at the time I thought were worthless that now 20 years later are fairly desirable so that's not always an option.

[SoylentBlue]

1. You can still submit unwitnessed sigs on books and still get a 9.8. It would be Qualified.

 

2. Tracing over sigs is kind of silly. In my opinion it puts the artist in an uncomfortable situation.

 

 

 

[AndyBoBo]

Similar to some of the responses on here I'll say what I've been told by CGC front offices and by dealers;

 

- Having a raw signature (no witnesses or COA to give it a green label) hurts the value for top end collectors and will even cause the point grade to go down if submitted.

 

- Having it signed for yourself as a part of a private collection isn't so bad obviously if the book hold sentimental value. However, what you could do (what I've done in times past) is have the artist sign it again where there's an opportunity to have a CGC rep present and they more or less re-trace their previous signature.

 

Hopefully this helps, sir.

 

CGC Front offices told you it was OK for an artist to re-sign over their old autograph so that it could grade as a Yellow Label?

 

Do you mind clarifying here.

 

I have seen at least one instance in here where someone brought in an X-Men 1 where you can tell Stan Lee signed over his old autograph because the 76 ink was in blue and the signature was i traced over in black ink by Stan Lee, but you could tell he missed part of the blue ink when he traced over it was graded and given a Signature Series. I have one SS comic myself in which I bought even though it was signed with Silver Ink Marker you can tell the writer signed over it again. I looked at the date witnessed and did some research on the writer and he has not signed his autograph this way in over 10 years. So it does happen. I don't encourage it because your screwing the next buyer of the comic. I think what happens is at big cons the witnesses are rushed and see the comic get signed, but don't see it up close. I think if they catch a person doing this technique they may get banned from using their services.

 

Id love to see a scan!

[/img] Here is one I had done last year myself by the same writer

You can tell the difference in signatures and you can tell on the first one it was clearly signed twice and at different times. Like I say I don't encourage it because in the end the buyer like myself when I saw the comic in person I was slightly dissappointed.

 

do you sell on ebay? if so, what's you user id?

[comicsnyc22]

I completely understand the logistics of this and why it's good CGC has its witnesses, but I also think it's silly to think the presence of CGC discredits any signature acquired before 2000.

 

We haven't even gotten into the original art space, where big money is moved. Yes, signatures are easier to replicate, but a few big OA fakes have slipped through. Is unverified OA worth less?