Frisco Larson Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 12 hours ago, Sweet Lou 14 said: The colors on that book are blinding! Thanks Lou! I was VERY happy that someone else didn't snap it up!!! Sweet Lou 14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frisco Larson Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 15 hours ago, porcupine48 said: I love these.If you have a honey hole and come across doubles,holla at moi svp Will do! porcupine48 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Frisco Larson Posted March 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2021 No American copy for me, as yet, but I DO have this Spanish language La Prensa publication in the box! Jasonmorris1000000, Mucheee1, KirbyJack and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bc Posted March 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2021 Crappy pic alert...it's a 5.0 -bc frozentundraguy, Jasonmorris1000000, KirbyJack and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Frisco Larson Posted April 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 1, 2021 One of my favorite covers in all of PHM! frozentundraguy, Mucheee1, bc and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frisco Larson Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 And yes I have a La Prensa version! I AM really happy to have this one as well!!! It's the only copy I've ever seen! frozentundraguy and bc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frisco Larson Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 (edited) I enjoy seeing the differences between the American Marvels and the Spanish publishers versions. It makes me wonder what caused them to make artistic changes. For example, RRO has those 2 large chunks of falling pavement in front of his bicep on the Mexican Publication, which were clearly additions, as was the full figure of the person hanging from the train in place of the officer shooting at RRO. Likewise, the person in white hanging onto the car directly above RRO's head is a new addition. As frequently happens on the Mexican Publications, there is also extra artwork added to the right side of the cover. In this case, it isn't anything spectacular, but it DOES differ from our standard Marvel cover. Cool stuff!! Edited April 1, 2021 by Frisco Larson Jasonmorris1000000 and bc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Mucheee1 Posted April 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 1, 2021 The first JIM in my collection, I purchased mid 70’s from an old book store for one shiny dime. *Bronze age fan*, Frisco Larson, Jasonmorris1000000 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bc Posted April 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 1, 2021 10 hours ago, Frisco Larson said: I enjoy seeing the differences between the American Marvels and the Spanish publishers versions. It makes me wonder what caused them to make artistic changes. For example, RRO has those 2 large chunks of falling pavement in front of his bicep on the Mexican Publication, which were clearly additions, as was the full figure of the person hanging from the train in place of the officer shooting at RRO. Likewise, the person in white hanging onto the car directly above RRO's head is a new addition. As frequently happens on the Mexican Publications, there is also extra artwork added to the right side of the cover. In this case, it isn't anything spectacular, but it DOES differ from our standard Marvel cover. Cool stuff!! You have it backwards my friend Check this out: http://timely-atlas-comics.blogspot.com/2016/10/atlas-errata-cover-alterations-and.html The foreign versions are really the actual covers as created by the artists. The Marvel covers are edited !!!! "According to all accounts, Carl Burgos was the unofficial cover editor of the 1950's Atlas line. Several months ago (here) I showed how Burgos had a hand in tinkering with an inordinate amount of these covers, a process I termed "Burgosation". This often went beyond mere inking as many/most of these covers were already inked by their original artists before Carl Burgos stepped in." "Now, by virtue of the easy online access to foreign reprints of Atlas comics, reprints (as I mentioned above) many of us never realized even existed all the years we collected Atlas titles, the remarkable discovery has begun of the existence of earlier, unaltered or un-Burgosized versions of many of these Atlas covers. These early renditions were often statted before being altered and later used by foreign publishers in countries where code restrictions were non-existant. These publishers included L. Miller & Son and Alan Class of the United Kingdom, and Transworld Features Syndicate, Inc. (La Prensa) in Mexico." They give a bunch of examples: "Let's just say, I was flabbergasted. The original version of this cover was (as I expected) both penciled "and" inked by Joe Maneely. A stat of that version was seemingly made and later sent south of the border. But here in the U.S., before Atlas published this cover, Burgos came in and re-rendered the entire cover in his style, moving the position of the man's right leg and taking the handgun off the table, probably for code reasons. (Inexplicably, the rifle he is holding is left exactly where it was. Apparently for the code censors, a handgun was taboo but a rifle was ok.)" It happened pretty frequently: I can hear you know - "but bc, those aren't PHM books." Hold onto your chairs.... "Another pointed out to me by Nick Caputo, the original Jack Kirby cover on L.H. Miller & Son's Spellbound #40 and the altered U.S. published cover to Tales of Suspense #21 (Sept/61). The likely reason for the change was that Jack drew a cover that didn't match his inside story monster! Klagg was a giant robot from space. On the cover Jack drew an ogre-like monster! " This proves the altering of the original artwork did carry well into the PHM era ! So @Frisco Larson your foreign versions (specifically the La Prensa versions) are the REAL deal, what Marvel released in the states was altered from the original works. -bc Frisco Larson, Jasonmorris1000000, frozentundraguy and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucheee1 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, bc said: You have it backwards my friend Check this out: http://timely-atlas-comics.blogspot.com/2016/10/atlas-errata-cover-alterations-and.html It happened pretty frequently: So even though Mystery Tales 25 was pre-code, Burgos felt that the monster hands in the original were too scary for the audience? He even had to put a long sleeve shirt on the arms he drew (showing too much skin, I guess). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frisco Larson Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 hours ago, bc said: You have it backwards my friend Check this out: http://timely-atlas-comics.blogspot.com/2016/10/atlas-errata-cover-alterations-and.html The foreign versions are really the actual covers as created by the artists. The Marvel covers are edited !!!! "According to all accounts, Carl Burgos was the unofficial cover editor of the 1950's Atlas line. Several months ago (here) I showed how Burgos had a hand in tinkering with an inordinate amount of these covers, a process I termed "Burgosation". This often went beyond mere inking as many/most of these covers were already inked by their original artists before Carl Burgos stepped in." "Now, by virtue of the easy online access to foreign reprints of Atlas comics, reprints (as I mentioned above) many of us never realized even existed all the years we collected Atlas titles, the remarkable discovery has begun of the existence of earlier, unaltered or un-Burgosized versions of many of these Atlas covers. These early renditions were often statted before being altered and later used by foreign publishers in countries where code restrictions were non-existant. These publishers included L. Miller & Son and Alan Class of the United Kingdom, and Transworld Features Syndicate, Inc. (La Prensa) in Mexico." They give a bunch of examples: "Let's just say, I was flabbergasted. The original version of this cover was (as I expected) both penciled "and" inked by Joe Maneely. A stat of that version was seemingly made and later sent south of the border. But here in the U.S., before Atlas published this cover, Burgos came in and re-rendered the entire cover in his style, moving the position of the man's right leg and taking the handgun off the table, probably for code reasons. (Inexplicably, the rifle he is holding is left exactly where it was. Apparently for the code censors, a handgun was taboo but a rifle was ok.)" It happened pretty frequently: I can hear you know - "but bc, those aren't PHM books." Hold onto your chairs.... "Another pointed out to me by Nick Caputo, the original Jack Kirby cover on L.H. Miller & Son's Spellbound #40 and the altered U.S. published cover to Tales of Suspense #21 (Sept/61). The likely reason for the change was that Jack drew a cover that didn't match his inside story monster! Klagg was a giant robot from space. On the cover Jack drew an ogre-like monster! " This proves the altering of the original artwork did carry well into the PHM era ! So @Frisco Larson your foreign versions (specifically the La Prensa versions) are the REAL deal, what Marvel released in the states was altered from the original works. -bc This is fantastic bc!!!! This is perhaps the thing I love most about the boards: sharing knowledge and observations about the books we love!!! Thank you for sharing this!!! Sweet Lou 14 and KirbyJack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Now back to our regularly scheduled programming -bc Frisco Larson, *Bronze age fan* and Jasonmorris1000000 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonmorris1000000 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 I wonder who unleashed shag carpeting on the world? bc, *Bronze age fan* and Frisco Larson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Frisco Larson Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Jasonmorris1000000 said: I wonder who unleashed shag carpeting on the world? Just a guess, but maybe Austin Powers?!?!??? frozentundraguy and bc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Frisco Larson Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 and a reading copy. bc, *Bronze age fan*, frozentundraguy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
