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The umpire is calling strikes..................

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jaybuck43

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How do people find the time to post on multiple message boards?

 

Go outside ya freaks :baiting:

 

(thumbs u

 

Step away from the keyboard and go out side for goodness sake! If nothing else, think of all the Vitamin D you can get.

Ehh Or you can take a supplement lol

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He sent over 600 messages? That is crazy…

 

Does Prophet DNA also get a strike too though? He isn't active a poster…

 

How does Arch know that?

 

All 600 folks complained, of course, which is the only reason they look at private messages.

 

OR timern posted it himself elsewhere and I stumbled across it while verifying what exactly was being spammed.

 

Honestly, guys... we shouldn't waste all that tin foil. ;)

 

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Eleven years and just over 2150 in posts here.

 

I got that spam PM for that other board. Why I don't know.

 

Is not like I have time to post or keep up with all the drama on two boards.

 

 

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Yep, he sent out a bunch of messages inviting folks to participate in a different online comics discussion board, and since CGC is in the business of online comics discussion boards, that makes him a competitor, and that is against the rules.

 

Ok I will attempt to answer this.

 

CGC is not in the business of online comics discussion boards. CGC IS in the business of encapsulating books. One of the ways that they promote their encapsulation services is by having fans of their product gather in an area where they can discuss their product. The only reason that a sales thread is permitted is because they promote the value of their services by selling books that have already been graded by CGC or books that MAY be graded by CGC. Every chat area, is somehow geared directly or indirectly toward the idea to maintain interest in comic books with the hopes that people will see CGC encapsulation services as a valuable tool toward further maintaining interest in preserving the books. If another forum is going to discuss the competition in a positive light then that detracts from people potentially sending in books to CGC. The reasoning behind the strikes honestly makes sense to me. However the inconsistency does not.

 

When I see that Metropolis and SparkleCity chooses to use another service to grade such high profile books as Detective Comics 27 and other pre-Robin Tec's it leads me to believe that major dealers are lending credibility to other encapsulation companies by selling those books in the competitors' holder. If that is the case then should not their presence and advertisement of their event auctions also be limited? That should not be the case but it seems that this is where we are headed and that is truly saddening.

 

 

According to my registry stats I have 258 slabs. I have about 10 slabs that I have never entered into the registry and 2 slabs from a competing company that I want to hand off to CGC. I have a LOT of money invested in my personal collection currently encapsulated in CGC holders ranging from major keys to early GA superhero books. My collection is supposedly more expansive (I did not say expensive) than some other collections and I realize that my collection is dwarfed by the collections of other members. However we all share one thing in common. The majority of our collections are slabbed by CGC. We want to see the value in that collection be maintained. In order for that to happen CGC needs to continue to be a giant in the encapsulation business. I do not want CGC to fade away. That would not be good for the market nor the value of my collection. The current actions are leaving a poor taste in the mouths of many users and I fear it is driving them away. It may not be true, but the perception of a few decisions are driving people away. I do not want to see CGC ignore and dismiss the competition throwing a blanket over it in the hopes that it will disappear. I want CGC to embrace the competition, look at the innovations that the competition makes, look at areas that CGC can improve and make those improvements in order to demonstrate why CGC is the premier service in grading and encapsulation.

 

And I'd also like GPA (hi George) with CGC's blessing, include the 'other' sales results.

If a Tec '27 is being encapsulated, and then sold, to not include that sale is maddening.

 

If CGC is to be what they were - and wish to still be, they have to accept that these new guys are here to stay - and work with their customers, not drive them away.

 

Putting fingers in ears and shouting la-la-la never works.

 

Look at the pressing *spoon* - I have been with 'he who shall not be named' for 3 years. Up's, downs and arguments included. We are now firm friends, and I resent feeling like I am being forced to choose to keep my business with my friend, which MAY lead to me having to switch companies - or to use another pressing company to keep my books CGC if he is forced out.

 

I'll be sticking with JG for the record, but I simply won't slab ANYTHING until I see how the market plays out.

 

And that's where GPA comes in. CGC need to allow George to add the 'new' sales - I hope they already are going to do so.

 

This whole thing is becoming a fiasco tbh.

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Beige

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He sent over 600 messages? That is crazy…

 

Does Prophet DNA also get a strike too though? He isn't active a poster…

 

How does Arch know that?

 

All 600 folks complained, of course, which is the only reason they look at private messages.

 

OR timern posted it himself elsewhere and I stumbled across it while verifying what exactly was being spammed.

 

Honestly, guys... we shouldn't waste all that tin foil. ;)

 

No tin foil here, I just guess, since those are the rules after all.

 

Yep, he sent out a bunch of messages inviting folks to participate in a different online comics discussion board, and since CGC is in the business of online comics discussion boards, that makes him a competitor, and that is against the rules.

 

So he got three strikes all at once, cause that's what the rules says he should get. At least I assume that's the rule, I couldn't find it anywhere, but you guys wouldn't just make these things up.

 

Custom title right there Arch!

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Yep, he sent out a bunch of messages inviting folks to participate in a different online comics discussion board, and since CGC is in the business of online comics discussion boards, that makes him a competitor, and that is against the rules.

 

Ok I will attempt to answer this.

 

CGC is not in the business of online comics discussion boards. CGC IS in the business of encapsulating books. One of the ways that they promote their encapsulation services is by having fans of their product gather in an area where they can discuss their product. The only reason that a sales thread is permitted is because they promote the value of their services by selling books that have already been graded by CGC or books that MAY be graded by CGC. Every chat area, is somehow geared directly or indirectly toward the idea to maintain interest in comic books with the hopes that people will see CGC encapsulation services as a valuable tool toward further maintaining interest in preserving the books. If another forum is going to discuss the competition in a positive light then that detracts from people potentially sending in books to CGC. The reasoning behind the strikes honestly makes sense to me. However the inconsistency does not.

 

When I see that Metropolis and SparkleCity chooses to use another service to grade such high profile books as Detective Comics 27 and other pre-Robin Tec's it leads me to believe that major dealers are lending credibility to other encapsulation companies by selling those books in the competitors' holder. If that is the case then should not their presence and advertisement of their event auctions also be limited? That should not be the case but it seems that this is where we are headed and that is truly saddening.

 

 

According to my registry stats I have 258 slabs. I have about 10 slabs that I have never entered into the registry and 2 slabs from a competing company that I want to hand off to CGC. I have a LOT of money invested in my personal collection currently encapsulated in CGC holders ranging from major keys to early GA superhero books. My collection is supposedly more expansive (I did not say expensive) than some other collections and I realize that my collection is dwarfed by the collections of other members. However we all share one thing in common. The majority of our collections are slabbed by CGC. We want to see the value in that collection be maintained. In order for that to happen CGC needs to continue to be a giant in the encapsulation business. I do not want CGC to fade away. That would not be good for the market nor the value of my collection. The current actions are leaving a poor taste in the mouths of many users and I fear it is driving them away. It may not be true, but the perception of a few decisions are driving people away. I do not want to see CGC ignore and dismiss the competition throwing a blanket over it in the hopes that it will disappear. I want CGC to embrace the competition, look at the innovations that the competition makes, look at areas that CGC can improve and make those improvements in order to demonstrate why CGC is the premier service in grading and encapsulation.

 

And I'd also like GPA (hi George) with CGC's blessing, include the 'other' sales results.

If a Tec '27 is being encapsulated, and then sold, to not include that sale is maddening.

 

If CGC is to be what they were - and wish to still be, they have to accept that these new guys are here to stay - and work with their customers, not drive them away.

 

Putting fingers in ears and shouting la-la-la never works.

 

Look at the pressing *spoon* - I have been with 'he who shall not be named' for 3 years. Up's, downs and arguments included. We are now firm friends, and I resent feeling like I am being forced to choose to keep my business with my friend, which MAY lead to me having to switch companies - or to use another pressing company to keep my books CGC if he is forced out.

 

I'll be sticking with JG for the record, but I simply won't slab ANYTHING until I see how the market plays out.

 

And that's where GPA comes in. CGC need to allow George to add the 'new' sales - I hope they already are going to do so.

 

This whole thing is becoming a fiasco tbh.

 

It's nonsense to think that CGC is suddenly going to stop Joey from submitting books to them. They removed a thread which provided non-stop free advertising for a company that directly competes with their sister company and which had just been announced as the preferred service provider of their biggest competitor - just like any other smart business would have done.

 

I think Joey is awesome and will continue to utilize his service whenever possible, but enough with the tinfoil hat stuff, already :doh:

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Yep, he sent out a bunch of messages inviting folks to participate in a different online comics discussion board, and since CGC is in the business of online comics discussion boards, that makes him a competitor, and that is against the rules.

 

Ok I will attempt to answer this.

 

CGC is not in the business of online comics discussion boards. CGC IS in the business of encapsulating books. One of the ways that they promote their encapsulation services is by having fans of their product gather in an area where they can discuss their product. The only reason that a sales thread is permitted is because they promote the value of their services by selling books that have already been graded by CGC or books that MAY be graded by CGC. Every chat area, is somehow geared directly or indirectly toward the idea to maintain interest in comic books with the hopes that people will see CGC encapsulation services as a valuable tool toward further maintaining interest in preserving the books. If another forum is going to discuss the competition in a positive light then that detracts from people potentially sending in books to CGC. The reasoning behind the strikes honestly makes sense to me. However the inconsistency does not.

 

When I see that Metropolis and SparkleCity chooses to use another service to grade such high profile books as Detective Comics 27 and other pre-Robin Tec's it leads me to believe that major dealers are lending credibility to other encapsulation companies by selling those books in the competitors' holder. If that is the case then should not their presence and advertisement of their event auctions also be limited? That should not be the case but it seems that this is where we are headed and that is truly saddening.

 

 

According to my registry stats I have 258 slabs. I have about 10 slabs that I have never entered into the registry and 2 slabs from a competing company that I want to hand off to CGC. I have a LOT of money invested in my personal collection currently encapsulated in CGC holders ranging from major keys to early GA superhero books. My collection is supposedly more expansive (I did not say expensive) than some other collections and I realize that my collection is dwarfed by the collections of other members. However we all share one thing in common. The majority of our collections are slabbed by CGC. We want to see the value in that collection be maintained. In order for that to happen CGC needs to continue to be a giant in the encapsulation business. I do not want CGC to fade away. That would not be good for the market nor the value of my collection. The current actions are leaving a poor taste in the mouths of many users and I fear it is driving them away. It may not be true, but the perception of a few decisions are driving people away. I do not want to see CGC ignore and dismiss the competition throwing a blanket over it in the hopes that it will disappear. I want CGC to embrace the competition, look at the innovations that the competition makes, look at areas that CGC can improve and make those improvements in order to demonstrate why CGC is the premier service in grading and encapsulation.

 

And I'd also like GPA (hi George) with CGC's blessing, include the 'other' sales results.

If a Tec '27 is being encapsulated, and then sold, to not include that sale is maddening.

 

If CGC is to be what they were - and wish to still be, they have to accept that these new guys are here to stay - and work with their customers, not drive them away.

 

Putting fingers in ears and shouting la-la-la never works.

 

Look at the pressing *spoon* - I have been with 'he who shall not be named' for 3 years. Up's, downs and arguments included. We are now firm friends, and I resent feeling like I am being forced to choose to keep my business with my friend, which MAY lead to me having to switch companies - or to use another pressing company to keep my books CGC if he is forced out.

 

I'll be sticking with JG for the record, but I simply won't slab ANYTHING until I see how the market plays out.

 

And that's where GPA comes in. CGC need to allow George to add the 'new' sales - I hope they already are going to do so.

 

This whole thing is becoming a fiasco tbh.

 

It's nonsense to think that CGC is suddenly going to stop Joey from submitting books to them. They removed a thread which provided non-stop free advertising for a company that directly competes with their sister company - just like any other sane business would have done. Enough with the tinfoil hat stuff, already :doh:

 

That's why I said I resent feeling like that Michael. And put MAY in those same big letters.

Please read my post fully before posting.

And, no, I'm not going to post some silly patronising emoticon in response.

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Yep, he sent out a bunch of messages inviting folks to participate in a different online comics discussion board, and since CGC is in the business of online comics discussion boards, that makes him a competitor, and that is against the rules.

 

Ok I will attempt to answer this.

 

CGC is not in the business of online comics discussion boards. CGC IS in the business of encapsulating books. One of the ways that they promote their encapsulation services is by having fans of their product gather in an area where they can discuss their product. The only reason that a sales thread is permitted is because they promote the value of their services by selling books that have already been graded by CGC or books that MAY be graded by CGC. Every chat area, is somehow geared directly or indirectly toward the idea to maintain interest in comic books with the hopes that people will see CGC encapsulation services as a valuable tool toward further maintaining interest in preserving the books. If another forum is going to discuss the competition in a positive light then that detracts from people potentially sending in books to CGC. The reasoning behind the strikes honestly makes sense to me. However the inconsistency does not.

 

When I see that Metropolis and SparkleCity chooses to use another service to grade such high profile books as Detective Comics 27 and other pre-Robin Tec's it leads me to believe that major dealers are lending credibility to other encapsulation companies by selling those books in the competitors' holder. If that is the case then should not their presence and advertisement of their event auctions also be limited? That should not be the case but it seems that this is where we are headed and that is truly saddening.

 

 

According to my registry stats I have 258 slabs. I have about 10 slabs that I have never entered into the registry and 2 slabs from a competing company that I want to hand off to CGC. I have a LOT of money invested in my personal collection currently encapsulated in CGC holders ranging from major keys to early GA superhero books. My collection is supposedly more expansive (I did not say expensive) than some other collections and I realize that my collection is dwarfed by the collections of other members. However we all share one thing in common. The majority of our collections are slabbed by CGC. We want to see the value in that collection be maintained. In order for that to happen CGC needs to continue to be a giant in the encapsulation business. I do not want CGC to fade away. That would not be good for the market nor the value of my collection. The current actions are leaving a poor taste in the mouths of many users and I fear it is driving them away. It may not be true, but the perception of a few decisions are driving people away. I do not want to see CGC ignore and dismiss the competition throwing a blanket over it in the hopes that it will disappear. I want CGC to embrace the competition, look at the innovations that the competition makes, look at areas that CGC can improve and make those improvements in order to demonstrate why CGC is the premier service in grading and encapsulation.

 

And I'd also like GPA (hi George) with CGC's blessing, include the 'other' sales results.

If a Tec '27 is being encapsulated, and then sold, to not include that sale is maddening.

 

If CGC is to be what they were - and wish to still be, they have to accept that these new guys are here to stay - and work with their customers, not drive them away.

 

Putting fingers in ears and shouting la-la-la never works.

 

Look at the pressing *spoon* - I have been with 'he who shall not be named' for 3 years. Up's, downs and arguments included. We are now firm friends, and I resent feeling like I am being forced to choose to keep my business with my friend, which MAY lead to me having to switch companies - or to use another pressing company to keep my books CGC if he is forced out.

 

I'll be sticking with JG for the record, but I simply won't slab ANYTHING until I see how the market plays out.

 

And that's where GPA comes in. CGC need to allow George to add the 'new' sales - I hope they already are going to do so.

 

This whole thing is becoming a fiasco tbh.

 

Wait? What?

Where did GPA say they have an exclusive deal with CGC to track only their slab sales?

Did I miss that or are you just :blahblah:???

 

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Yep, he sent out a bunch of messages inviting folks to participate in a different online comics discussion board, and since CGC is in the business of online comics discussion boards, that makes him a competitor, and that is against the rules.

 

Ok I will attempt to answer this.

 

CGC is not in the business of online comics discussion boards. CGC IS in the business of encapsulating books. One of the ways that they promote their encapsulation services is by having fans of their product gather in an area where they can discuss their product. The only reason that a sales thread is permitted is because they promote the value of their services by selling books that have already been graded by CGC or books that MAY be graded by CGC. Every chat area, is somehow geared directly or indirectly toward the idea to maintain interest in comic books with the hopes that people will see CGC encapsulation services as a valuable tool toward further maintaining interest in preserving the books. If another forum is going to discuss the competition in a positive light then that detracts from people potentially sending in books to CGC. The reasoning behind the strikes honestly makes sense to me. However the inconsistency does not.

 

When I see that Metropolis and SparkleCity chooses to use another service to grade such high profile books as Detective Comics 27 and other pre-Robin Tec's it leads me to believe that major dealers are lending credibility to other encapsulation companies by selling those books in the competitors' holder. If that is the case then should not their presence and advertisement of their event auctions also be limited? That should not be the case but it seems that this is where we are headed and that is truly saddening.

 

 

According to my registry stats I have 258 slabs. I have about 10 slabs that I have never entered into the registry and 2 slabs from a competing company that I want to hand off to CGC. I have a LOT of money invested in my personal collection currently encapsulated in CGC holders ranging from major keys to early GA superhero books. My collection is supposedly more expansive (I did not say expensive) than some other collections and I realize that my collection is dwarfed by the collections of other members. However we all share one thing in common. The majority of our collections are slabbed by CGC. We want to see the value in that collection be maintained. In order for that to happen CGC needs to continue to be a giant in the encapsulation business. I do not want CGC to fade away. That would not be good for the market nor the value of my collection. The current actions are leaving a poor taste in the mouths of many users and I fear it is driving them away. It may not be true, but the perception of a few decisions are driving people away. I do not want to see CGC ignore and dismiss the competition throwing a blanket over it in the hopes that it will disappear. I want CGC to embrace the competition, look at the innovations that the competition makes, look at areas that CGC can improve and make those improvements in order to demonstrate why CGC is the premier service in grading and encapsulation.

 

And I'd also like GPA (hi George) with CGC's blessing, include the 'other' sales results.

If a Tec '27 is being encapsulated, and then sold, to not include that sale is maddening.

 

If CGC is to be what they were - and wish to still be, they have to accept that these new guys are here to stay - and work with their customers, not drive them away.

 

Putting fingers in ears and shouting la-la-la never works.

 

Look at the pressing *spoon* - I have been with 'he who shall not be named' for 3 years. Up's, downs and arguments included. We are now firm friends, and I resent feeling like I am being forced to choose to keep my business with my friend, which MAY lead to me having to switch companies - or to use another pressing company to keep my books CGC if he is forced out.

 

I'll be sticking with JG for the record, but I simply won't slab ANYTHING until I see how the market plays out.

 

And that's where GPA comes in. CGC need to allow George to add the 'new' sales - I hope they already are going to do so.

 

This whole thing is becoming a fiasco tbh.

 

Wait? What?

Where did GPA say they have an exclusive deal with CGC to track only their slab sales?

Did I miss that or are you just :blahblah:???

 

Roy claims that he spoke to George and that he would not be including data involving competitors slabs for the time being.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=349454&Number=7913322#Post7913322

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I went back and looked, and I did get that lengthy page about the other site. I must have ignored. I am part of the "special" 1,000 invitees after all. :acclaim:

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Yep, he sent out a bunch of messages inviting folks to participate in a different online comics discussion board, and since CGC is in the business of online comics discussion boards, that makes him a competitor, and that is against the rules.

 

Ok I will attempt to answer this.

 

CGC is not in the business of online comics discussion boards. CGC IS in the business of encapsulating books. One of the ways that they promote their encapsulation services is by having fans of their product gather in an area where they can discuss their product. The only reason that a sales thread is permitted is because they promote the value of their services by selling books that have already been graded by CGC or books that MAY be graded by CGC. Every chat area, is somehow geared directly or indirectly toward the idea to maintain interest in comic books with the hopes that people will see CGC encapsulation services as a valuable tool toward further maintaining interest in preserving the books. If another forum is going to discuss the competition in a positive light then that detracts from people potentially sending in books to CGC. The reasoning behind the strikes honestly makes sense to me. However the inconsistency does not.

 

When I see that Metropolis and SparkleCity chooses to use another service to grade such high profile books as Detective Comics 27 and other pre-Robin Tec's it leads me to believe that major dealers are lending credibility to other encapsulation companies by selling those books in the competitors' holder. If that is the case then should not their presence and advertisement of their event auctions also be limited? That should not be the case but it seems that this is where we are headed and that is truly saddening.

 

 

According to my registry stats I have 258 slabs. I have about 10 slabs that I have never entered into the registry and 2 slabs from a competing company that I want to hand off to CGC. I have a LOT of money invested in my personal collection currently encapsulated in CGC holders ranging from major keys to early GA superhero books. My collection is supposedly more expansive (I did not say expensive) than some other collections and I realize that my collection is dwarfed by the collections of other members. However we all share one thing in common. The majority of our collections are slabbed by CGC. We want to see the value in that collection be maintained. In order for that to happen CGC needs to continue to be a giant in the encapsulation business. I do not want CGC to fade away. That would not be good for the market nor the value of my collection. The current actions are leaving a poor taste in the mouths of many users and I fear it is driving them away. It may not be true, but the perception of a few decisions are driving people away. I do not want to see CGC ignore and dismiss the competition throwing a blanket over it in the hopes that it will disappear. I want CGC to embrace the competition, look at the innovations that the competition makes, look at areas that CGC can improve and make those improvements in order to demonstrate why CGC is the premier service in grading and encapsulation.

 

And I'd also like GPA (hi George) with CGC's blessing, include the 'other' sales results.

If a Tec '27 is being encapsulated, and then sold, to not include that sale is maddening.

 

If CGC is to be what they were - and wish to still be, they have to accept that these new guys are here to stay - and work with their customers, not drive them away.

 

Putting fingers in ears and shouting la-la-la never works.

 

Look at the pressing *spoon* - I have been with 'he who shall not be named' for 3 years. Up's, downs and arguments included. We are now firm friends, and I resent feeling like I am being forced to choose to keep my business with my friend, which MAY lead to me having to switch companies - or to use another pressing company to keep my books CGC if he is forced out.

 

I'll be sticking with JG for the record, but I simply won't slab ANYTHING until I see how the market plays out.

 

And that's where GPA comes in. CGC need to allow George to add the 'new' sales - I hope they already are going to do so.

 

This whole thing is becoming a fiasco tbh.

 

Wait? What?

Where did GPA say they have an exclusive deal with CGC to track only their slab sales?

Did I miss that or are you just :blahblah:???

 

Roy claims that he spoke to George and that he would not be including data involving competitors slabs for the time being.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=349454&Number=7913322#Post7913322

 

Yes, I saw that thread.

 

And it says.............."the company is called GPA for CGC"

 

So does GPA have a deal with CGC to report only their sales?

 

I mean we have not seen a statement from GPA other than an unofficial "GPA for CGC"

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Yep, he sent out a bunch of messages inviting folks to participate in a different online comics discussion board, and since CGC is in the business of online comics discussion boards, that makes him a competitor, and that is against the rules.

 

Ok I will attempt to answer this.

 

CGC is not in the business of online comics discussion boards. CGC IS in the business of encapsulating books. One of the ways that they promote their encapsulation services is by having fans of their product gather in an area where they can discuss their product. The only reason that a sales thread is permitted is because they promote the value of their services by selling books that have already been graded by CGC or books that MAY be graded by CGC. Every chat area, is somehow geared directly or indirectly toward the idea to maintain interest in comic books with the hopes that people will see CGC encapsulation services as a valuable tool toward further maintaining interest in preserving the books. If another forum is going to discuss the competition in a positive light then that detracts from people potentially sending in books to CGC. The reasoning behind the strikes honestly makes sense to me. However the inconsistency does not.

 

When I see that Metropolis and SparkleCity chooses to use another service to grade such high profile books as Detective Comics 27 and other pre-Robin Tec's it leads me to believe that major dealers are lending credibility to other encapsulation companies by selling those books in the competitors' holder. If that is the case then should not their presence and advertisement of their event auctions also be limited? That should not be the case but it seems that this is where we are headed and that is truly saddening.

 

 

According to my registry stats I have 258 slabs. I have about 10 slabs that I have never entered into the registry and 2 slabs from a competing company that I want to hand off to CGC. I have a LOT of money invested in my personal collection currently encapsulated in CGC holders ranging from major keys to early GA superhero books. My collection is supposedly more expansive (I did not say expensive) than some other collections and I realize that my collection is dwarfed by the collections of other members. However we all share one thing in common. The majority of our collections are slabbed by CGC. We want to see the value in that collection be maintained. In order for that to happen CGC needs to continue to be a giant in the encapsulation business. I do not want CGC to fade away. That would not be good for the market nor the value of my collection. The current actions are leaving a poor taste in the mouths of many users and I fear it is driving them away. It may not be true, but the perception of a few decisions are driving people away. I do not want to see CGC ignore and dismiss the competition throwing a blanket over it in the hopes that it will disappear. I want CGC to embrace the competition, look at the innovations that the competition makes, look at areas that CGC can improve and make those improvements in order to demonstrate why CGC is the premier service in grading and encapsulation.

 

And I'd also like GPA (hi George) with CGC's blessing, include the 'other' sales results.

If a Tec '27 is being encapsulated, and then sold, to not include that sale is maddening.

 

If CGC is to be what they were - and wish to still be, they have to accept that these new guys are here to stay - and work with their customers, not drive them away.

 

Putting fingers in ears and shouting la-la-la never works.

 

Look at the pressing *spoon* - I have been with 'he who shall not be named' for 3 years. Up's, downs and arguments included. We are now firm friends, and I resent feeling like I am being forced to choose to keep my business with my friend, which MAY lead to me having to switch companies - or to use another pressing company to keep my books CGC if he is forced out.

 

I'll be sticking with JG for the record, but I simply won't slab ANYTHING until I see how the market plays out.

 

And that's where GPA comes in. CGC need to allow George to add the 'new' sales - I hope they already are going to do so.

 

This whole thing is becoming a fiasco tbh.

 

It's nonsense to think that CGC is suddenly going to stop Joey from submitting books to them. They removed a thread which provided non-stop free advertising for a company that directly competes with their sister company - just like any other sane business would have done. Enough with the tinfoil hat stuff, already :doh:

 

That's why I said I resent feeling like that Michael. And put MAY in those same big letters.

Please read my post fully before posting.

And, no, I'm not going to post some silly patronising emoticon in response.

 

But there's no hard data to support you feeling like this, hence the tinfoil comment :shrug:

 

Has CGC stopped you from sending books to Joey or penalized people who do so? Have they in any way indicated they're suddenly going to block people they suspect of utilizing the services of another grading company?

 

Of course, they haven't - CGC is in the business of getting submissions. If that means sharing your hard-earned cash with another service, so be it. But what they're obviously not going to allow is people using these boards to promote their competitors - which, from a business point of view, is an absolute no-brainer.

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Yep, he sent out a bunch of messages inviting folks to participate in a different online comics discussion board, and since CGC is in the business of online comics discussion boards, that makes him a competitor, and that is against the rules.

 

Ok I will attempt to answer this.

 

CGC is not in the business of online comics discussion boards. CGC IS in the business of encapsulating books. One of the ways that they promote their encapsulation services is by having fans of their product gather in an area where they can discuss their product. The only reason that a sales thread is permitted is because they promote the value of their services by selling books that have already been graded by CGC or books that MAY be graded by CGC. Every chat area, is somehow geared directly or indirectly toward the idea to maintain interest in comic books with the hopes that people will see CGC encapsulation services as a valuable tool toward further maintaining interest in preserving the books. If another forum is going to discuss the competition in a positive light then that detracts from people potentially sending in books to CGC. The reasoning behind the strikes honestly makes sense to me. However the inconsistency does not.

 

When I see that Metropolis and SparkleCity chooses to use another service to grade such high profile books as Detective Comics 27 and other pre-Robin Tec's it leads me to believe that major dealers are lending credibility to other encapsulation companies by selling those books in the competitors' holder. If that is the case then should not their presence and advertisement of their event auctions also be limited? That should not be the case but it seems that this is where we are headed and that is truly saddening.

 

 

According to my registry stats I have 258 slabs. I have about 10 slabs that I have never entered into the registry and 2 slabs from a competing company that I want to hand off to CGC. I have a LOT of money invested in my personal collection currently encapsulated in CGC holders ranging from major keys to early GA superhero books. My collection is supposedly more expansive (I did not say expensive) than some other collections and I realize that my collection is dwarfed by the collections of other members. However we all share one thing in common. The majority of our collections are slabbed by CGC. We want to see the value in that collection be maintained. In order for that to happen CGC needs to continue to be a giant in the encapsulation business. I do not want CGC to fade away. That would not be good for the market nor the value of my collection. The current actions are leaving a poor taste in the mouths of many users and I fear it is driving them away. It may not be true, but the perception of a few decisions are driving people away. I do not want to see CGC ignore and dismiss the competition throwing a blanket over it in the hopes that it will disappear. I want CGC to embrace the competition, look at the innovations that the competition makes, look at areas that CGC can improve and make those improvements in order to demonstrate why CGC is the premier service in grading and encapsulation.

 

And I'd also like GPA (hi George) with CGC's blessing, include the 'other' sales results.

If a Tec '27 is being encapsulated, and then sold, to not include that sale is maddening.

 

If CGC is to be what they were - and wish to still be, they have to accept that these new guys are here to stay - and work with their customers, not drive them away.

 

Putting fingers in ears and shouting la-la-la never works.

 

Look at the pressing *spoon* - I have been with 'he who shall not be named' for 3 years. Up's, downs and arguments included. We are now firm friends, and I resent feeling like I am being forced to choose to keep my business with my friend, which MAY lead to me having to switch companies - or to use another pressing company to keep my books CGC if he is forced out.

 

I'll be sticking with JG for the record, but I simply won't slab ANYTHING until I see how the market plays out.

 

And that's where GPA comes in. CGC need to allow George to add the 'new' sales - I hope they already are going to do so.

 

This whole thing is becoming a fiasco tbh.

 

Wait? What?

Where did GPA say they have an exclusive deal with CGC to track only their slab sales?

Did I miss that or are you just :blahblah:???

 

If you see that GPA has direct links to the CGC census, and then add in the fact that CGC are being very territorial, then why would I NOT wonder if CGC would dissuade, or indeed disallow George to add the 'other' data.

 

Why aren't PGX sales on there?

 

I don't think it's a leap in the slightest to wonder aloud if CGC will 'forbid' George to add other companies data to GPA.

 

Would you be surprised if that happened?

 

I'm asking that it NOT happen, if it was intended to be so. I can't imagine how you would perceive that as :blahblah: - for me, it's very important information for myself going forward.

 

I'm not interested in arguing. This is far too important. :foryou:

 

 

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Yep, he sent out a bunch of messages inviting folks to participate in a different online comics discussion board, and since CGC is in the business of online comics discussion boards, that makes him a competitor, and that is against the rules.

 

Ok I will attempt to answer this.

 

CGC is not in the business of online comics discussion boards. CGC IS in the business of encapsulating books. One of the ways that they promote their encapsulation services is by having fans of their product gather in an area where they can discuss their product. The only reason that a sales thread is permitted is because they promote the value of their services by selling books that have already been graded by CGC or books that MAY be graded by CGC. Every chat area, is somehow geared directly or indirectly toward the idea to maintain interest in comic books with the hopes that people will see CGC encapsulation services as a valuable tool toward further maintaining interest in preserving the books. If another forum is going to discuss the competition in a positive light then that detracts from people potentially sending in books to CGC. The reasoning behind the strikes honestly makes sense to me. However the inconsistency does not.

 

When I see that Metropolis and SparkleCity chooses to use another service to grade such high profile books as Detective Comics 27 and other pre-Robin Tec's it leads me to believe that major dealers are lending credibility to other encapsulation companies by selling those books in the competitors' holder. If that is the case then should not their presence and advertisement of their event auctions also be limited? That should not be the case but it seems that this is where we are headed and that is truly saddening.

 

 

According to my registry stats I have 258 slabs. I have about 10 slabs that I have never entered into the registry and 2 slabs from a competing company that I want to hand off to CGC. I have a LOT of money invested in my personal collection currently encapsulated in CGC holders ranging from major keys to early GA superhero books. My collection is supposedly more expansive (I did not say expensive) than some other collections and I realize that my collection is dwarfed by the collections of other members. However we all share one thing in common. The majority of our collections are slabbed by CGC. We want to see the value in that collection be maintained. In order for that to happen CGC needs to continue to be a giant in the encapsulation business. I do not want CGC to fade away. That would not be good for the market nor the value of my collection. The current actions are leaving a poor taste in the mouths of many users and I fear it is driving them away. It may not be true, but the perception of a few decisions are driving people away. I do not want to see CGC ignore and dismiss the competition throwing a blanket over it in the hopes that it will disappear. I want CGC to embrace the competition, look at the innovations that the competition makes, look at areas that CGC can improve and make those improvements in order to demonstrate why CGC is the premier service in grading and encapsulation.

 

And I'd also like GPA (hi George) with CGC's blessing, include the 'other' sales results.

If a Tec '27 is being encapsulated, and then sold, to not include that sale is maddening.

 

If CGC is to be what they were - and wish to still be, they have to accept that these new guys are here to stay - and work with their customers, not drive them away.

 

Putting fingers in ears and shouting la-la-la never works.

 

Look at the pressing *spoon* - I have been with 'he who shall not be named' for 3 years. Up's, downs and arguments included. We are now firm friends, and I resent feeling like I am being forced to choose to keep my business with my friend, which MAY lead to me having to switch companies - or to use another pressing company to keep my books CGC if he is forced out.

 

I'll be sticking with JG for the record, but I simply won't slab ANYTHING until I see how the market plays out.

 

And that's where GPA comes in. CGC need to allow George to add the 'new' sales - I hope they already are going to do so.

 

This whole thing is becoming a fiasco tbh.

 

It's nonsense to think that CGC is suddenly going to stop Joey from submitting books to them. They removed a thread which provided non-stop free advertising for a company that directly competes with their sister company - just like any other sane business would have done. Enough with the tinfoil hat stuff, already :doh:

 

That's why I said I resent feeling like that Michael. And put MAY in those same big letters.

Please read my post fully before posting.

And, no, I'm not going to post some silly patronising emoticon in response.

 

But there's no hard data to support you feeling like this, hence the tinfoil comment :shrug:

 

Has CGC stopped you from sending books to Joey or penalized people who do so? Have they in any way indicated they're suddenly going to block people they suspect of utilizing the services of another grading company?

 

Of course, they haven't - CGC is in the business of getting submissions. If that means sharing your hard-earned cash with another service, so be it. But what they're obviously not going to allow is people using these boards to promote their competitors - which, from a business point of view, is an absolute no-brainer.

 

Oh, I agree Michael, it would make no sense at all.

And I fully understand, and support their position on competitor advertising. 100%.

 

 

 

 

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Yep, he sent out a bunch of messages inviting folks to participate in a different online comics discussion board, and since CGC is in the business of online comics discussion boards, that makes him a competitor, and that is against the rules.

 

Ok I will attempt to answer this.

 

CGC is not in the business of online comics discussion boards. CGC IS in the business of encapsulating books. One of the ways that they promote their encapsulation services is by having fans of their product gather in an area where they can discuss their product. The only reason that a sales thread is permitted is because they promote the value of their services by selling books that have already been graded by CGC or books that MAY be graded by CGC. Every chat area, is somehow geared directly or indirectly toward the idea to maintain interest in comic books with the hopes that people will see CGC encapsulation services as a valuable tool toward further maintaining interest in preserving the books. If another forum is going to discuss the competition in a positive light then that detracts from people potentially sending in books to CGC. The reasoning behind the strikes honestly makes sense to me. However the inconsistency does not.

 

When I see that Metropolis and SparkleCity chooses to use another service to grade such high profile books as Detective Comics 27 and other pre-Robin Tec's it leads me to believe that major dealers are lending credibility to other encapsulation companies by selling those books in the competitors' holder. If that is the case then should not their presence and advertisement of their event auctions also be limited? That should not be the case but it seems that this is where we are headed and that is truly saddening.

 

 

According to my registry stats I have 258 slabs. I have about 10 slabs that I have never entered into the registry and 2 slabs from a competing company that I want to hand off to CGC. I have a LOT of money invested in my personal collection currently encapsulated in CGC holders ranging from major keys to early GA superhero books. My collection is supposedly more expansive (I did not say expensive) than some other collections and I realize that my collection is dwarfed by the collections of other members. However we all share one thing in common. The majority of our collections are slabbed by CGC. We want to see the value in that collection be maintained. In order for that to happen CGC needs to continue to be a giant in the encapsulation business. I do not want CGC to fade away. That would not be good for the market nor the value of my collection. The current actions are leaving a poor taste in the mouths of many users and I fear it is driving them away. It may not be true, but the perception of a few decisions are driving people away. I do not want to see CGC ignore and dismiss the competition throwing a blanket over it in the hopes that it will disappear. I want CGC to embrace the competition, look at the innovations that the competition makes, look at areas that CGC can improve and make those improvements in order to demonstrate why CGC is the premier service in grading and encapsulation.

 

And I'd also like GPA (hi George) with CGC's blessing, include the 'other' sales results.

If a Tec '27 is being encapsulated, and then sold, to not include that sale is maddening.

 

If CGC is to be what they were - and wish to still be, they have to accept that these new guys are here to stay - and work with their customers, not drive them away.

 

Putting fingers in ears and shouting la-la-la never works.

 

Look at the pressing *spoon* - I have been with 'he who shall not be named' for 3 years. Up's, downs and arguments included. We are now firm friends, and I resent feeling like I am being forced to choose to keep my business with my friend, which MAY lead to me having to switch companies - or to use another pressing company to keep my books CGC if he is forced out.

 

I'll be sticking with JG for the record, but I simply won't slab ANYTHING until I see how the market plays out.

 

And that's where GPA comes in. CGC need to allow George to add the 'new' sales - I hope they already are going to do so.

 

This whole thing is becoming a fiasco tbh.

 

Wait? What?

Where did GPA say they have an exclusive deal with CGC to track only their slab sales?

Did I miss that or are you just :blahblah:???

 

If you see that GPA has direct links to the CGC census, and then add in the fact that CGC are being very territorial, then why would I NOT wonder if CGC would dissuade, or indeed disallow George to add the 'other' data.

 

Why aren't PGX sales on there?

 

I don't think it's a leap in the slightest to wonder aloud if CGC will 'forbid' George to add other companies data to GPA.

 

Would you be surprised if that happened?

 

I'm asking that it NOT happen, if it was intended to be so. I can't imagine how you would perceive that as :blahblah: - for me, it's very important information for myself going forward.

 

I'm not interested in arguing. This is far too important. :foryou:

 

 

As far as I know GPA and George are their own company?

 

GPA has no connection to CGC other than to report trackable sales.

 

GPA can track and post any sale they wish.

 

Why would CGC have control over GPA? To influence the market?

 

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I've always heard a rumor that GPA and HA were connected in some way (including that HA owns a piece of GPA) Nothing wrong with any of that of course, and George you know I love you and gladly pay my subscription to you guys :foryou:

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I've always heard a rumor that GPA and HA were connected in some way (including that HA owns a piece of GPA) Nothing wrong with any of that of course, and George you know I love you and gladly pay my subscription to you guys :foryou:
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Tell us more about this rumor and some links about GPA and HA?

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If encapsulation is seen as a good business model and is generating competition in this space of the hobby, it strikes me that if GPA doesn't expand to include all slab sales that there is a business opportunity for a company that wants to pull all that data together (and make it sortable by encapsulation company) for collectors.

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Yep, he sent out a bunch of messages inviting folks to participate in a different online comics discussion board, and since CGC is in the business of online comics discussion boards, that makes him a competitor, and that is against the rules.

 

Ok I will attempt to answer this.

 

CGC is not in the business of online comics discussion boards. CGC IS in the business of encapsulating books. One of the ways that they promote their encapsulation services is by having fans of their product gather in an area where they can discuss their product. The only reason that a sales thread is permitted is because they promote the value of their services by selling books that have already been graded by CGC or books that MAY be graded by CGC. Every chat area, is somehow geared directly or indirectly toward the idea to maintain interest in comic books with the hopes that people will see CGC encapsulation services as a valuable tool toward further maintaining interest in preserving the books. If another forum is going to discuss the competition in a positive light then that detracts from people potentially sending in books to CGC. The reasoning behind the strikes honestly makes sense to me. However the inconsistency does not.

 

When I see that Metropolis and SparkleCity chooses to use another service to grade such high profile books as Detective Comics 27 and other pre-Robin Tec's it leads me to believe that major dealers are lending credibility to other encapsulation companies by selling those books in the competitors' holder. If that is the case then should not their presence and advertisement of their event auctions also be limited? That should not be the case but it seems that this is where we are headed and that is truly saddening.

 

 

According to my registry stats I have 258 slabs. I have about 10 slabs that I have never entered into the registry and 2 slabs from a competing company that I want to hand off to CGC. I have a LOT of money invested in my personal collection currently encapsulated in CGC holders ranging from major keys to early GA superhero books. My collection is supposedly more expansive (I did not say expensive) than some other collections and I realize that my collection is dwarfed by the collections of other members. However we all share one thing in common. The majority of our collections are slabbed by CGC. We want to see the value in that collection be maintained. In order for that to happen CGC needs to continue to be a giant in the encapsulation business. I do not want CGC to fade away. That would not be good for the market nor the value of my collection. The current actions are leaving a poor taste in the mouths of many users and I fear it is driving them away. It may not be true, but the perception of a few decisions are driving people away. I do not want to see CGC ignore and dismiss the competition throwing a blanket over it in the hopes that it will disappear. I want CGC to embrace the competition, look at the innovations that the competition makes, look at areas that CGC can improve and make those improvements in order to demonstrate why CGC is the premier service in grading and encapsulation.

 

And I'd also like GPA (hi George) with CGC's blessing, include the 'other' sales results.

If a Tec '27 is being encapsulated, and then sold, to not include that sale is maddening.

 

If CGC is to be what they were - and wish to still be, they have to accept that these new guys are here to stay - and work with their customers, not drive them away.

 

Putting fingers in ears and shouting la-la-la never works.

 

Look at the pressing *spoon* - I have been with 'he who shall not be named' for 3 years. Up's, downs and arguments included. We are now firm friends, and I resent feeling like I am being forced to choose to keep my business with my friend, which MAY lead to me having to switch companies - or to use another pressing company to keep my books CGC if he is forced out.

 

I'll be sticking with JG for the record, but I simply won't slab ANYTHING until I see how the market plays out.

 

And that's where GPA comes in. CGC need to allow George to add the 'new' sales - I hope they already are going to do so.

 

This whole thing is becoming a fiasco tbh.

 

Wait? What?

Where did GPA say they have an exclusive deal with CGC to track only their slab sales?

Did I miss that or are you just :blahblah:???

 

If you see that GPA has direct links to the CGC census, and then add in the fact that CGC are being very territorial, then why would I NOT wonder if CGC would dissuade, or indeed disallow George to add the 'other' data.

 

Why aren't PGX sales on there?

 

I don't think it's a leap in the slightest to wonder aloud if CGC will 'forbid' George to add other companies data to GPA.

 

Would you be surprised if that happened?

 

I'm asking that it NOT happen, if it was intended to be so. I can't imagine how you would perceive that as :blahblah: - for me, it's very important information for myself going forward.

 

I'm not interested in arguing. This is far too important. :foryou:

 

 

As far as I know GPA and George are their own company?

 

GPA has no connection to CGC other than to report trackable sales.

 

GPA can track and post any sale they wish.

 

Why would CGC have control over GPA? To influence the market?

 

They have a direct link to the CGC census - they are 100% connected.

 

As for influencing the market - if you can't work out why sales data of the new company could harm CGC, then I'm not sure you understand the situation that is evolving.

I going to leave this here. I'm sure others will chime in.

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