Silver_Couch_Surfer Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 On 10/10/2013 at 9:13 PM, phampton1737 said: [font:Georgia][font:Georgia]Alas I am not yet a member, but am a definite "wanna be!" And will be, because I've got my eye on this one, in a big way. So I hoped you wouldn’t mind if I “dropped in!” Actually, I have fallen in love with the Kirby western titles, and will shortly have a couple of nice ones up for sale on eBay. But I am hanging on to most of them, for now... The comments have been most enlightening. The analogy to Amazing Fantasy #15 is most definitely one that "grabs you,"but as has been commented, not exactly on point. But before tossing that comparison aside,there is some gold to be mined there. The two books do share a powerful and highly unique link in all of Marveldom. If the story of Marvel is that of Stan Lee and his artists (or vice versa!), Rawhide Kid #17 is THE important book with respect to Jack Kirby, and Amazing Fantasy #15 is the same for Steve Ditko. And an excellent argument can be made, if the huge dollar value and celebrity status of AF #15 can be momentarily set aside (admittedly no easy task!), that the importance of RK #17 far exceeds that of AF #15, itself undeniably a book of first importance. Here’s the thing: the western title represents the first-time EVER/ conscious collaboration/ creative partnership between Kirby and Lee on a comic book character seen as worthy of having an ongoing storyline. He was their first "book-length" storytelling joint venture. And bear in mind, the publication date here is July 1960. The very first Marvel superheroes-- the Fantastic Four-- would not even show up until November 1961-- more than a year and three months later. The importance of FF #1 is both obvious and clearly recognized, but the real power of the earlier book almost always missed completely. And it’s not just the prior date that makes it important: it’s the experience of creative collaboration the book yielded, starting with this title. Think about it: if Lee and Kirby had not had the experience of actively collaborating on this title, had the opportunity to “feel out” the give and take, etc. under less pressure and visibility, it’s quite likely that they could never have just started right up with the Fantastic Four as they did. Quite arguably, this was THE cornerstone book for all that was to follow, and as such may be one of the most undervalued and generally slighted Marvel titles in existence. None of which is meant to take one bit away from the incredible achievement that was AF #15. But: that book was published in August 1962, the same month as JIM #83, and both new characters followed the FF, the Hulk, and (arguably) the Ant-Man. Though it is of huge importance as the first such collaboration between Lee and Ditko, Lee was by that time much more experienced in the process of working with/ getting the most from, his artists, as a result of his work up to that point. So, like the FF before it, the book followed Rawhide Kid #17 not only chronologically, but also flowed from the same source in the river of the creative process that gave it birth and kept it alive. One final note: it is interesting and suitable that "the King's" art graced the cover of Spider-Man’s first appearance. It is true that the Ditko covers soon to follow were some of the most outstanding/ innovative and generally magnificent of any before or (probably) since. But going back to the comics market of that time, the power of Jack Kirby's covers to sell comic books, in a HUGE way, cannot be denied. I’m not trying to compare them, or take away Ditko’s crown, so much as to better understand how it all came to pass. And that, my friends, is my take on the “gold” to be found in this old Marvel western title. Thanks for listening. [/font] [/font] So much win in this post. gunsmokin, KirbyJack and Harley Troy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem1138 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 https://www.comicconnect.com/bookDetail.php?id=811646 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyJack Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Pretty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsmokin Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, KirbyJack said: Pretty! I believe you mean purdy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsmokin Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Two higher grade RK 17’s on comic connect right now. One with the large font price and the other with the small font. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Couch_Surfer Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, gunsmokin said: Two higher grade RK 17’s on comic connect right now. One with the large font price and the other with the small font. I wonder what the story is behind that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsmokin Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 26 minutes ago, Ovrclck said: I wonder what the story is behind that? Not really sure but as stated on page 3 of this thread, there is a third font plus the pence variant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Couch_Surfer Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, gunsmokin said: Not really sure but as stated on page 3 of this thread, there is a third font plus the pence variant. Interesting. Thanks! gunsmokin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aardvark88 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 2:35 PM, Ovrclck said: Interesting. Just a few other origin issues to collect like Kid Colt #79 (Atlas, 1958) and Two-Gun Kid #48 (Atlas, 1959): Get Marwood & I, KirbyJack and Silver_Couch_Surfer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bronze age fan* Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Add me to the club. KirbyJack, Math Teacher, bronze johnny and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyJack Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Yeee-Haa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Shaun C89 Posted February 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2022 Recently back from CGC Get Marwood & I, jayhawker, *Bronze age fan* and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dave2739 Posted February 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2022 I can't recall if already presented my admission into this club. Just in case. Math Teacher, bronze johnny, KirbyJack and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman619 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 speaking about the different 10c markings, I see THREE different fonts in this thread. Tall condensed font regular rounder font and an extra bold font where the c has the vertical lines on top and bottom. which is which? and is either of these the UK variant? KirbyJack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garystar Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 On 2/22/2022 at 6:43 PM, Aman619 said: is either of these the UK variant? There’s a UK variant on page three of this thread. @Get Marwood & Ihas done lots of research on these font variations again see page 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Dave2739 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman619 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) Yeah. I read and theorized on it years ago but forgot… thought I noticed something new. Oops i just went back and started reading the thread again … wow we discussed the heck out of it! So, now in 2022, 5 years later, can we determine with a level of confidence which !0c fonts are always UK editions with UK indicias? Or was it all over the map? there are also 9d versions (always in the bolder condensed font?). which are clearly UK copies. Edited February 23, 2022 by Aman619 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 On 2/23/2022 at 3:20 PM, Aman619 said: Yeah. I read and theorized on it years ago but forgot… thought I noticed something new. Oops i just went back and started reading the thread again … wow we discussed the heck out of it! So, now in 2022, 5 years later, can we determine with a level of confidence which !0c fonts are always UK editions with UK indicias? Or was it all over the map? there are also 9d versions (always in the bolder condensed font?). which are clearly UK copies. I think you may be confusing the US Price Font Variation books with the L Miller UK Distribution books, Aman. They are two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 I think the US 10c Price Font Variations exist because of the introduction of 9d pence copies. This post illustrates it fairly well, I think: On 9/19/2020 at 3:50 PM, Get Marwood & I said: Number 20, Bold 10 Cents and no Pence Copy... Number 21, Bold 10 Cents and no Pence Copy... Number 22, Bold 10 Cents and no Pence Copy... Number 23, Bold 10 Cents and no Pence Copy... Number 24, Bold 10 Cents and no Pence Copy... Number 25, Bold 10 Cents and no Pence Copy... Number 26, Bold 10 Cents and no Pence Copy... Number 27, Bold 10 Cents and no Pence Copy... Number 28, Bold 10 Cents and no Pence Copy... Number 29, Bold-oh. Hang on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Anyway, to get things back on RK17 track, I've still got these two high grade beauties: marvelmaniac and *Bronze age fan* 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
