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Rawhide Kid #17 Club
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Killgrave

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Just a small taste of my RKs!

 

From memory don't you have your RHK#17 slabbed now?

 

Interesting - look at the three different 10¢ fonts! VARIANTS! VARIANTS, PEOPLE!

 

:o I never noticed that before, you just opened up a whole new can of worms!

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jimjum12

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...and your old #19 is mine, Frankie!

I'm officially the bottom feeder!

 

Yep. :headbang: That was one of the rare times I sold a comic. :o

 

..... your membership to the Hoarders Foundation is hereby revoked :baiting: GOD BLESS....

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u

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*Bronze age fan*

*Bronze age fan*

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...and your old #19 is mine, Frankie!

I'm officially the bottom feeder!

 

Yep. :headbang: That was one of the rare times I sold a comic. :o

 

:o I am officially shocked bro

 

 

The 19 is a pretty hard comic to find too...upgraded and I got to help KirbyJack on his Jack Kirby quest. :cloud9: It's bad to hoard westerns Kevin. lol

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[font:Georgia][font:Georgia]Alas I am not yet a member, but am a definite "wanna be!" And will be, because I've got my eye on this one, in a big way. So I hoped you wouldn’t mind if I “dropped in!”

 

Actually, I have fallen in love with the Kirby western titles, and will shortly have a couple of nice ones up for sale on eBay. But I am hanging on to most of them, for now...

 

The comments have been most enlightening. The analogy to Amazing Fantasy #15 is most definitely one that "grabs you,"but as has been commented, not exactly on point. But before tossing that comparison aside,there is some gold to be mined there. The two books do share a powerful and highly unique link in all of Marveldom. If the story of Marvel is that of Stan Lee and his artists (or vice versa!), Rawhide Kid #17 is THE important book with respect to Jack Kirby, and Amazing Fantasy #15 is the same for Steve Ditko.

 

 

And an excellent argument can be made, if the huge dollar value and celebrity status of AF #15 can be momentarily set aside (admittedly no easy task!), that the importance of RK #17 far exceeds that of AF #15, itself undeniably a book of first importance. Here’s the thing: the western title represents the first-time EVER/ conscious collaboration/ creative partnership between Kirby and Lee on a comic book character seen as worthy of having an ongoing storyline. He was their first "book-length" storytelling joint venture.

 

And bear in mind, the publication date here is July 1960. The very first Marvel superheroes-- the Fantastic Four-- would not even show up until November 1961-- more than a year and three months later. The importance of FF #1 is both obvious and clearly recognized, but the real power of the earlier book almost always missed completely.

 

And it’s not just the prior date that makes it important: it’s the experience of creative collaboration the book yielded, starting with this title. Think about it: if Lee and Kirby had not had the experience of actively collaborating on this title, had the opportunity to “feel out” the give and take, etc. under less pressure and visibility, it’s quite likely that they could never have just started right up with the Fantastic Four as they did. Quite arguably, this was THE cornerstone book for all that was to follow, and as such may be one of the most undervalued and generally slighted Marvel titles in existence.

 

None of which is meant to take one bit away from the incredible achievement that was AF #15. But: that book was published in August 1962, the same month as JIM #83, and both new characters followed the FF, the Hulk, and (arguably) the Ant-Man. Though it is of huge importance as the first such collaboration between Lee and Ditko, Lee was by that time much more experienced in the process of working with/ getting the most from, his artists, as a result of his work up to that point. So, like the FF before it, the book followed Rawhide Kid #17 not only chronologically, but also flowed from the same source in the river of the creative process that gave it birth and kept it alive.

 

One final note: it is interesting and suitable that "the King's" art graced the cover of Spider-Man’s first appearance. It is true that the Ditko covers soon to follow were some of the most outstanding/ innovative and generally magnificent of any before or (probably) since. But going back to the comics market of that time, the power of Jack Kirby's covers to sell comic books, in a HUGE way, cannot be denied. I’m not trying to compare them, or take away Ditko’s crown, so much as to better understand how it all came to pass.

 

And that, my friends, is my take on the “gold” to be found in this old Marvel western title. Thanks for listening. [/font]

 

 

 

 

 

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