Why do people think New Mutants #98 had a "high print run"...? 0

[RockMyAmadeus]

:shrug:

 

It didn't.

[oakman29]

That's what I was saying in the Hulk 181 Vs NM 98 thread.

[seanfingh]

 

It has a high print run compared to WD #1, Peter Panzerfaust #1 or even Planetary #1.

 

It had a low print run compared to Jim Lee X-Men 1, TMcF Spider-Man #1 and WDC&S in the 50s.

 

Context is everything.

[500Club]

Yup, and contextually, people lump it in with the high print run books of the era. It was close enough to the X-Force reboot that people simply assume it must have the same monster print run.

[Dr. Balls]

New Mutants #100 was cancelled in April, 1991. In June 1991, X-Force #1 came out and sold 5 million copies. It's pretty safe to say that New Mutants was a popular title before X-Force, and even though it probably wasn't selling one million copies a month, it's sales were escalating since Cable showed up.

 

I wouldn't say it was a "high" print run, but I'd definitely qualify it for a "normal" print run, and back then, Mutant books were all the rage. There's plenty of NM98s for everyone.

[slym2none]

225-250K is what has been previously established, I thought.

 

:shrug:

 

 

 

-slym

[Mr.Diggler]

225-250K is what has been previously established, I thought.

 

:shrug:

 

 

 

-slym

Sounds like a high print run to me.

[divad]

225-250K is what has been previously established, I thought.

 

:shrug:

 

 

 

-slym

Sounds like a high print run to me.

That's a boat-full

[oakman29]

How many do you think are destroyed by children,reading and acts of God? Half?

[Bosco685]

How many do you think are destroyed by children,reading and acts of God? Half?

 

By that time? The series was too hot for most of the run to fall into kids' hands. Too many speculators were grabbing Liefeld books.

 

[slym2none]

How many do you think are destroyed by children,reading and acts of God? Half?

 

10% at best. As Bosco intimated, this was the start of buying 2 or more copies of everything by seemingly everyone.

 

 

 

-slym

[oakman29]

So if the max print run was 250K,25K are destroyed.That leaves 225K(are you impressed by my guzitas)

Does anyone know what the print run of say a Hulk 181 is?

 

 

[Bosco685]

How many do you think are destroyed by children,reading and acts of God? Half?

 

10% at best. As Bosco intimated, this was the start of buying 2 or more copies of everything by seemingly everyone.

 

 

 

-slym

 

By that time, it was a speculation cavalcade. And when I got back into collecting and was buying New Mutants 86-100 to try and track down a sharp 87, every time I would land solid examples of 95-100. It was 86-90 which seemed to take the hit from mishandling. 98 was semi-hot, so it was getting frustrating not finding a NM or better 87 in these sets, yet receiving NM+ 98s in each set. My five 98s submitted into CGC were 9.6 x 2 and 9.8 x 3.

[Jeffro.]

How many do you think are destroyed by children,reading, Liefeld haters, and acts of God? Half?

 

Fixed

[Gatsby77]

I think it had a high print run because Liefeld and Cable were white hot, and _everybody_ read 93-94 for the Cable vs. Wolverine story and 95-97 for the X-tinction agenda tie-in, so at that point it was natural to finish 98-100 as well.

 

Plus, 98 was a good story, with Cable going all "Mission Impossible" and identifying the new mutants for his rebuilt strikeforce, and finding Domino.

 

Still, like ASM 361, it was hot from the beginning. In my area, it went to $8 within three months. Since I was there for its being on the stands, I have a hard time thinking of it as anything more than a $40-$50 book.

[Gatsby77]

p.s. I'm actually thinking of going to the Va. Comic Con this month because both Liefeld and Trimpe will be there. Would it be blasphemy to try to get a double-signed New Mutants # 93?

[RockMyAmadeus]

New Mutants #100 was cancelled in AprilFebruary, 1991. In June 1991, X-Force #1 came out and sold 5 1.75 million copies.

 

It's pretty safe to say that New Mutants was a popular title before X-Force, and even though it probably wasn't selling one million copies a month, it's sales were escalating since Cable showed up.

 

 

I wouldn't say it was a "high" print run, but I'd definitely qualify it for a "normal" print run, and back then, Mutant books were all the rage. There's plenty of NM98s for everyone.

 

[RockMyAmadeus]

225-250K is what has been previously established, I thought.

 

:shrug:

 

 

 

-slym

[RockMyAmadeus]

Some facts:

 

#1. Deadpool was NOT a "hot character" at the time that New Mutants #98 was published. In Deadpool's first year of existence, he appeared in a total of five comic books: NM #98, X-Force #1, 2, 4, and 5. Of those, three were cameos. Of those, two of them...X-Force #1 and #4...were single panel cameos. It would take quite some time for Deadpool to become much of anything, quite unlike the scenario with Cable and Gambit.

 

#2. 250k copies is the entire print run for the issue, nearly 30% of which were distributed to newsstands, most of which would have been subject to destruction as returns from news agents. That would make the total available supply about 175,000-200,000 copies from the beginning.

 

#3. The print run for the book, about 250k, was roughly typical Marvel at the time, during a period when the print run for Spiderman was 750,000, and X-Men (Uncanny) was in the 600,000s, for perspective. X-Factor at the time had a print run in the 400,000s. Fantastic Four had a print run of 300,000 at the exact same time period, and FF was not a "hot" title.

 

#4. Deadpool would not become a hot character in his own right until his 1993 mini-series, two+ years after his first appearance. At that time, New Mutants #98 "broke out" and became a $5-$15 book. However, this proved to be a flash in the pan, and soon petered out, and NM #98 would become a cold book for the next decade and a half.

 

#5. Because NM #98 had this small breakout during 1993, many thousands of copies that had been hoarded initially were distributed, as speculators and hoarders took advantage of the mini-bump in popularity, spreading out the print run amongst more owners.

 

#6. After that, the crash of 95-96, and the great malaise of 1997-2002, took its toll on just about every formerly "hot" mainstream comic from the previous nearly 20 years. NM #98 wasn't even able to keep New Mutants #87 or X-Men #266 status, and settled right back to being a "dollar issue" for the 15 years after the first mini. After the crash and during the malaise, nearly all the speculators were driven completely from the entire industry, and any remaining hoards that were not distributed during the light 1993 market spike were then dumped and absorbed into the greater market, or forgotten in boxes. In all cases, attrition took its toll. To imagine that only 10% of the print run was lost to attrition after 15 years of essentially no demand, and nearly 23 years of existence, is not really within the realm of reason.

 

#7. New Mutants #98 was nothing like Amazing Spiderman #361, which was, indeed, hot from the beginning, because of the immense visual appeal of Carnage, as well as the excellent layout of its cover. Carnage was an immediate hit from the moment #361 hit the stands.

 

While an available pool of 175,000-200,000 copies may seem like a lot in this era of 30,000 average print runs for mid-level Marvel books, the fact is, the book is 23 years old and went through the majority of that time as a book with almost no demand. This is why the book continues to defy projections and rises in value, while at the same time, books like X-Force #2 see very little increase (in fact, the book can still be found in dollar boxes, while even ratty copies of NM #98 are $50+.) There simply isn't the supply that some think there is or should be, and never was.

 

The same thing could happen with a book like New Mutants #99, or Detective Comics #647, if Feral or the Spoiler ever become as popular as Deadpool. Yes, not anywhere near possible, but that's what would happen.

[joecgcmaniac]

Some facts:

 

#1. Deadpool was NOT a "hot character" at the time that New Mutants #98 was published. In Deadpool's first year of existence, he appeared in a total of five comic books: NM #98, X-Force #1, 2, 4, and 5. Of those, three were cameos. Of those, two of them...X-Force #1 and #4...were single panel cameos. It would take quite some time for Deadpool to become much of anything, quite unlike the scenario with Cable and Gambit.

 

#2. 250k copies is the entire print run for the issue, nearly 30% of which were distributed to newsstands, most of which would have been subject to destruction as returns from news agents. That would make the total available supply about 175,000-200,000 copies from the beginning.

 

#3. The print run for the book, about 250k, was roughly typical Marvel at the time, during a period when the print run for Spiderman was 750,000, and X-Men (Uncanny) was in the 600,000s, for perspective. X-Factor at the time had a print run in the 400,000s. Fantastic Four had a print run of 300,000 at the exact same time period, and FF was not a "hot" title.

 

#4. Deadpool would not become a hot character in his own right until his 1993 mini-series, two+ years after his first appearance. At that time, New Mutants #98 "broke out" and became a $5-$15 book. However, this proved to be a flash in the pan, and soon petered out, and NM #98 would become a cold book for the next decade and a half.

 

#5. Because NM #98 had this small breakout during 1993, many thousands of copies that had been hoarded initially were distributed, as speculators and hoarders took advantage of the mini-bump in popularity, spreading out the print run amongst more owners.

 

#6. After that, the crash of 95-96, and the great malaise of 1997-2002, took its toll on just about every formerly "hot" mainstream comic from the previous nearly 20 years. NM #98 wasn't even able to keep New Mutants #87 or X-Men #266 status, and settled right back to being a "dollar issue" for the 15 years after the first mini. After the crash and during the malaise, nearly all the speculators were driven completely from the entire industry, and any remaining hoards that were not distributed during the light 1993 market spire were then dumped and absorbed into the greater market, or forgotten in boxes. In all cases, attrition took its toll. To imagine that only 10% of the print run was lost to attrition after 15 years of essentially no demand, and nearly 23 years of existence, is not really within the realm of reason.

 

#7. New Mutants #98 was nothing like Amazing Spiderman #361, which was, indeed, hot from the beginning, because of the immense visual appeal of Carnage, as well as the excellent layout of its cover. Carnage was an immediate hit from the moment #361 hit the stands.

 

While an available pool of 175,000-200,000 copies may seem like a lot in this era of 30,000 average print runs for mid-level Marvel books, the fact is, the book is 23 years old and went through the majority of that time as a book with almost no demand. This is why the book continues to defy projections and rises in value, while at the same time, books like X-Force #2 see very little increase (in fact, the book can still be found in dollar boxes, while even ratty copies of NM #98 are $50+.) There simply isn't the supply that some think there is or should be, and never was.

 

The same thing could happen with a book like New Mutants #99, or Detective Comics #647, if Feral or the Spoiler ever become as popular as Deadpool. Yes, not anywhere near possible, but that's what would happen.