Gotham Kid Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 10 hours ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said: I used to have a Tec 31 and 33 but sold them years ago. grades ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatCaesarsGhost Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Gotham Kid said: grades ? I bought them both raw off Ebay back in the wild days. I paid $3800 for the 31, and the guy literally threw the book in a box - no Mylar, no backing board, just crumpled newspaper. It was the first book I ever sent to CGC, and it came back as a blue label 4.5. The 33 I never slabbed, but guess it was a 4.0. Needed the money for something stupid so I let em go on eBay. Gotham Kid and LDarkseid1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicdonna Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr bla bla said: I cant really imagine that they in the process of printing Bat 1 would stop the press to insert an erroneously placed dot and then continue printing. If they had discovered a missing dot and decided that this missing dot was important enought to stop the press. Then they would also have placed it correctly I think. So: I find it more plausible that the erroneously placed dot has been discovered during the pressing. And has then just been removed, to quickly get back on track with production. But I guess well never know. This makes the most sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatCaesarsGhost Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I bought my 2.5 off the boards here from Filter81, so I posited the question to him. Here is his response: “The . on the Bat 1, I'm not 100% sure I have all of this correct but I believe the answer is the difference was caused by the issue having multiple print runs. (Superman 1 had 3 print runs but I think the only differences are noticeable on the inside. Marvel 1 is the most famous for having two print runs with an Oct copy and Nov copy and is the only one I can think of where the different print runs make a substantial difference in value) I'm not sure how many print runs Batman 1 had but my guess is one print run had no dot and the others did. I just went through scans of my old Bat 1s, and based on my limited sample size the copies with a dot outnumbered copies without one by about 10 to 1. Which makes me think that since the copies with no dot are rarer they are probably the actual first print run. The market doesn't pay very close attention on this (and may never) but if that ever changes you could see prices rise on the no dot copies faster than their counterparts. Not positive I have that all correct, but that is my best guess!“ Chicago Boy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woowoo Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said: I bought my 2.5 off the boards here from Filter81, so I posited the question to him. Here is his response: “The . on the Bat 1, I'm not 100% sure I have all of this correct but I believe the answer is the difference was caused by the issue having multiple print runs. (Superman 1 had 3 print runs but I think the only differences are noticeable on the inside. Marvel 1 is the most famous for having two print runs with an Oct copy and Nov copy and is the only one I can think of where the different print runs make a substantial difference in value) I'm not sure how many print runs Batman 1 had but my guess is one print run had no dot and the others did. I just went through scans of my old Bat 1s, and based on my limited sample size the copies with a dot outnumbered copies without one by about 10 to 1. Which makes me think that since the copies with no dot are rarer they are probably the actual first print run. The market doesn't pay very close attention on this (and may never) but if that ever changes you could see prices rise on the no dot copies faster than their counterparts. Not positive I have that all correct, but that is my best guess!“ I think @bluechip might have the best info since I think it was his Quote that I read on this Dot not there. I could be wrong but he has great info on a lot of this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Boy Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 40 minutes ago, woowoo said: I think @bluechip might have the best info since I think it was his Quote that I read on this Dot not there. I could be wrong but he has great info on a lot of this stuff. I still can’t find any info on the print run of Tec 27. I know 202 k for action 1. 1M for Cap 1. And I think 900k for Marvel & Supes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluechip Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, woowoo said: I think @bluechip might have the best info since I think it was his Quote that I read on this Dot not there. I could be wrong but he has great info on a lot of this stuff. Appreciate the compliment though my info on this is mostly based on common sense. You wouldn't stop a press or change a plate in between printings just to remove a dot, even if it was erroneously misplaced. If it bugged you enough that it was misplaced you wouldn't wait until the end of the run to fix it. And if you fixed it at all you would move it, place it better, not remove it completely and make the cover more confusing. And it is unquestionably more confusing without the dot. "No." with a dot means "number". "No" without a dot means "No" or "Not" I vaguely recall someone opining that perhaps the printer did it "as a goof" or the fact that house ads showed it with a dot. But it makes the least sense of all that some printer would risk his livelihood for that, and the house ads I saw show the title logo and the dot in colored ink only, not black, meaning it's a mockup, not made from a stat of the completed cover. Edited January 4, 2019 by bluechip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatCaesarsGhost Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, bluechip said: Appreciate the compliment though my info on this is mostly based on common sense. You wouldn't stop a press or change a plate in between printings just to remove a dot, even if it was erroneously misplaced. If it bugged you enough that it was misplaced you wouldn't wait until the end of the run to fix it. And if you fixed it at all you would move it, place it better, not remove it completely and make the cover more confusing. And it is unquestionably more confusing without the dot. "No." with a dot means "number". "No" without a dot means "No" or "Not" I vaguely recall someone opining that perhaps the printer did it "as a goof" or the fact that house ads showed it with a dot. But it makes the least sense of all that some printer would risk his livelihood for that, and the house ads I saw show the title logo and the dot in colored ink only, not black, meaning it's a mockup, not made from a stat of the completed cover. Are there any earlier comic books advertising the coming issue of Batman 1? Showing the cover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluechip Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said: Are there any earlier comic books advertising the coming issue of Batman 1? Showing the cover? There were lots of house ads as early as Tec 39. Many times the early ads were mocked up because the cover wasn't complete, so the logos often look different if you compare them closely. Most interesting examples I can recall are from Timely, which omitted Stalin from a cover because in between the deadline for the ad and the deadline for the cover itself, the USSR went from being antagonist to ally with the USA. Another house ad for Cap 1 showed no wings on Cap's head. Edited January 4, 2019 by bluechip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatCaesarsGhost Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, bluechip said: There were lots of house ads as early as Tec 39. Many times the early ads were mocked up because the cover wasn't complete, so the logos often look different if you compare them closely. Most interesting examples I can recall are from Timely, which omitted Stalin from a cover because in between the deadline for the ad and the deadline for the cover itself, the USSR went from being antagonist to ally with the USA. Another house ad for Cap 1 showed no wings on Cap's head. Ok forgive my ignorance, but if I’m understanding you correctly, these early images of the upcoming issue are called “house ads”? And in the case of Bat 1, the advance advertising (house ads) on other books showed the Batman 1 cover with a colored dot/period. i guess if Timely can drop Stalin, it’s easy for DC to drop or alter a period. thank you for your patience Edited January 4, 2019 by GreatCaesarsGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedude Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 19 hours ago, woowoo said: The copy without the Dot I have heard was before they really started printing?. I have only seen your copy and one other without the Dot. IMO i would say its a lot rarer and I would prefer a copy without the Dot So to me Ya my copy is a "no dot" copy. and they are far more rarer than the "dot" copies. GreatCaesarsGhost and comicdonna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatCaesarsGhost Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 does anyone have an image of the advertising for the upcoming Batman 1 that they would be willing to post? I don’t know what books would have them, but bluechip has talked about the early Tecs having them. Does anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woowoo Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, thedude said: 20 hours ago, woowoo said: The copy without the Dot I have heard was before they really started printing?. I have only seen your copy and one other without the Dot. IMO i would say its a lot rarer and I would prefer a copy without the Dot So to me Ya my copy is a "no dot" copy. and they are far more rarer than the "dot" copies. That's what I said read above IMO i would say its a lot rarer and I would prefer a copy without the Dot So to me Ya Next time I will have to give you a DOT Edited January 5, 2019 by woowoo GreatCaesarsGhost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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woowoo Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said: does anyone have an image of the advertising for the upcoming Batman 1 that they would be willing to post? I don’t know what books would have them, but bluechip has talked about the early Tecs having them. Does anyone know? All I got. GreatCaesarsGhost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Boy Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 minute ago, woowoo said: All I got. I spy with my little eye A DOT !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woowoo Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Chicago Boy said: I spy with my little eye A DOT !!!!! No shet did you do that all by yourself Edited January 5, 2019 by woowoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicdonna Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I think the dot should have been closer to the O . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Boy Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 25 minutes ago, woowoo said: No shet did you do that all by yourself I paid you back now you do me a favor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woowoo Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Chicago Boy said: I paid you back now you do me a favor Ok send me your Tec 27 and I make time payments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
