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[AJD]

51 minutes ago, Duffman_Comics said:

Well, it seems that "Sleep no more" is present as an expression in both plays - though I readily concede the Hamlet instance is the stronger case for attribution.

"Hoist with his own petard" - also from Hamlet. 

[Brandon Shepherd]

I spent some time catching up on this wonderful notebook, great stuff as always, friend!

Shame on me for staying away for so long... 

 

[AJD]

Very kind of you Brandon.

For @1950's war comics here's the 'Marianas turkey shoot' story in full (well, all 4 pages). The historical accuracy here is pretty sketchy - if you really want to read about you could start with Tom Cleaver's Pacific Thunder book, which I read recently, or I'm sure there are whole books dedicated to the Battle of the Philippine Sea).

 

[1950's war comics]

thanks ! i really enjoy reading about the carrier vs carrier battles ... especially Coral Sea and Midway !

[Scrooge]

52 minutes ago, 1950's war comics said:

thanks ! i really enjoy reading about the carrier vs carrier battles ... especially Coral Sea and Midway !

The French comic Buck Danny does a great job covering those. Here's one page I have scanned. Complete with maps to follow the story better -

[ComicConnoisseur]

Awesome stuff!

[Duffman_Comics]

On 5/14/2019 at 10:29 AM, Scrooge said:

The French comic Buck Danny does a great job covering those. Here's one page I have scanned. Complete with maps to follow the story better -

This is very interesting - I have not seen this, but now thanks to Google I am up to speed on a Franco-Belgian strip that isn't "Tintin".

The map in the lower right panel is of some concern. There is a Kamchatka Peninsula but I doubt a "Kamtchaka" exists in the same area.

[Scrooge]

9 minutes ago, Duffman_Comics said:

The map in the lower right panel is of some concern. There is a Kamchatka Peninsula but I doubt a "Kamtchaka" exists in the same area.

Just a typo. It is the correct location for the Kamchatka Peninsula with the projection they are using for this map.

[Scrooge]

Went back to my copy and scanned a couple more pages.

The sinking of the Ryukaku -

The Yorktown, 2 pages before the first one I posted -

[AJD]

Thanks for that @Scrooge. Those are excellent war comic pages. One comment though: my French is a bit rusty (read: très terrible) but I think the comic isn't right in the way it presents the dive bombers and torpedo bombers. The latter were utterly destroyed at Midway, but while being shot down in droves, they caused the Japanese air defence weapons to be sighted lower and the escorting fighters to be at low altitudes. So although the torpedo bombers got no hits at all, and many of them failed to return from the mission, the dive bombers then got a pretty much unobstructed run at the carriers - sinking four of them and irrevocably changing the course of the Pacific War.

 

[AJD]

On a lighter note, here's another Australian reprint comic I just picked up, with a pretty cool cover (even if it doesn't really make sense).

Being printed with a landscape binding, I figured the inside would be horizontal newspaper strips, but that's not the case. Here's the splash, featuring a freezing Ms Starr in her underwear forced to burn her stockings to keep warm. Women sure had it tough in the Golden Age!

 

[Scrooge]

7 minutes ago, AJD said:

Thanks for that @Scrooge. Those are excellent war comic pages. One comment though: my French is a bit rusty (read: très terrible) but I think the comic isn't right in the way it presents the dive bombers and torpedo bombers. The latter were utterly destroyed at Miday, but in being shot down in droves, they caused the Japanese air defence weapons to be sighted lower and the escorting fighters to be at low altitudes. So although the torpedo bombers got no hits at all, and many of them failed to return from the mission, the dive bombers then got a pretty much unobstructed run at the carriers - sinking four of them and irrevocably changing the course of the Pacific War.

You're reading the page correctly. The comic indicate the dive bombers first with no results, followed by the torpedo bombers. It's something I would have never caught!

These comic pages were created in 1947 - 1948. So while close to the time of the events which would ensure veracity, it could also be possible that less was known / researched at the time and the documentation failed the authors.

[AJD]

A minor mystery... who owns the Church copy of Wings #98?

I was surprised tonight when I went to the comicpedigrees site and looked to see if the Church book I own had been uploaded. Much to my surprise I found this:

The reason that was a surprise is that here is an early label 7.5 Church Wings #98 sitting in my comic room as I type, graded 9 May 2002. (The cert number lookup for the above book tells me it was graded 27 Jan 2005.)

Clearly they are not the same book, and it's a bit galling to learn now that I may or may not have the Church copy. My working assumption these past few years was that my Wings 98 was one of the Church FH books purchased in the early days by Burrell Rowe, that were apparently later stored badly in a Texas garage. (Says @Robot Man here)

Rob Larsen's Church list contains only one entry (no duplicate) for Wings #98 and it shows a grade of NM+ in the original listing - and 7.5 as the CGC grade. I wonder if the 7.5 is a toastier later incarnation of the high grade book listed, or whether the 2005 CGC book is the original, given the grades? And I really wonder how CGC can grade two "Church" books three years apart with any confidence in both judgements?

The one remaining possibility, of course, is that there were duplicate Wings 98 copies in Edgar's collection. A few threads on the boards over the years have mentioned duplicates ("more than 100" in one case), but I can't find a list of those anywhere.

So now I'm not sure, and I don't know if I'll ever really be sure, if I own a Church book or not.

 

[Get Marwood & I]

11 hours ago, AJD said:

 

 

That's a coincidence. I typed "Ms Starr in her underwear" into Google and this page came up 

[Get Marwood & I]

5 hours ago, AJD said:

So now I'm not sure, and I don't know if I'll ever really be sure, if I own a Church book or not.

That's a drag Andy. Let's hope it's the duplicate scenario 

Meanwhile, why is Captain Wings wearing lipstick, and could he not apply it a little neater? Fighting crocodiles is no excuse for the shoddy application of cosmetics 

[Mucheee1]

5 hours ago, Get Marwood & I said:

That's a drag Andy. Let's hope it's the duplicate scenario 

Meanwhile, why is Captain Wings wearing lipstick, and could he not apply it a little neater? Fighting crocodiles is no excuse for the shoddy application of cosmetics 

I think maybe it is blood from the croc biting him on the face, which only made him angry ...

[Robot Man]

13 hours ago, AJD said:

A minor mystery... who owns the Church copy of Wings #98?

I was surprised tonight when I went to the comicpedigrees site and looked to see if the Church book I own had been uploaded. Much to my surprise I found this:

The reason that was a surprise is that here is an early label 7.5 Church Wings #98 sitting in my comic room as I type, graded 9 May 2002. (The cert number lookup for the above book tells me it was graded 27 Jan 2005.)

Clearly they are not the same book, and it's a bit galling to learn now that I may or may not have the Church copy. My working assumption these past few years was that my Wings 98 was one of the Church FH books purchased in the early days by Burrell Rowe, that were apparently later stored badly in a Texas garage. (Says @Robot Man here)

Rob Larsen's Church list contains only one entry (no duplicate) for Wings #98 and it shows a grade of NM+ in the original listing - and 7.5 as the CGC grade. I wonder if the 7.5 is a toastier later incarnation of the high grade book listed, or whether the 2005 CGC book is the original, given the grades? And I really wonder how CGC can grade two "Church" books three years apart with any confidence in both judgements?

The one remaining possibility, of course, is that there were duplicate Wings 98 copies in Edgar's collection. A few threads on the boards over the years have mentioned duplicates ("more than 100" in one case), but I can't find a list of those anywhere.

So now I'm not sure, and I don't know if I'll ever really be sure, if I own a Church book or not.

 

There are obviously more than one copy of Church books. I have this Jumbo #155 that I bought directly from Chuckles right when he brought the collection to market at Casual Con in Anaheim. I was into censhorship books and this one was a Parade of Pleasure entry. I noticed that there was a Chuch copy already on the census a few years ago. I KNOW mine is legit but have no idea about the other one. Mine is yet to be entoumbed.

[AJD]

 

4 minutes ago, Robot Man said:

There are obviously more than one copy of Church books. I have this Jumbo #155 that I bought directly from Chuckles right when he brought the collection to market at Casual Con in Anaheim. I was into censhorship books and this one was a Parade of Pleasure entry. I noticed that there was a Chuch copy already on the census a few years ago. I KNOW mine is legit but have no idea about the other one. Mine is yet to be entoumbed.

 

Wow Bob, the colours on that one are amazing. I wouldn't put it under plastic either.

[mlansdown]

Fantastic thread - I've thoroughly enjoyed reading through all 48 (!) pages...

Does this cover qualify as one of your war bond covers?  Apologies if you've already posted this one...

[AJD]

5 hours ago, mlansdown said:

Fantastic thread - I've thoroughly enjoyed reading through all 48 (!) pages...

Does this cover qualify as one of your war bond covers?  Apologies if you've already posted this one...

 

Wow, thank you for your dedication to the thread!

Yes, that one counts, but it's a first appearance in the thread because I had that one before I started it. And yours is so nice a copy it's certainly welcome. If you want to see other war bonds covers, have a look at the gallery I set up. (Should be linked in my sig below.)