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[Corona smith]

11 minutes ago, paqart said:

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Ok, but the question, "How much of a premium are we talking for newsstand issues v/s direct editions?" asked in the OP spans the modern age also, and is more pertinent to modern age newsstand editions, which are far less common than copper age comics. If what you say is correct, then perhaps the entire thread should be moved.

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I initially started commenting like it was a Modern Thread and didn’t realize myself. I think it definitely belongs in the Modern Category though. 

[paqart]

17 minutes ago, Corona smith said:

I initially started commenting like it was a Modern Thread and didn’t realize myself. I think it definitely belongs in the Modern Category though. 

Okay. I just started a thread similar to this in the Modern forum. 

[Cpt Kirk]

I think the some of the toughest newsstand issues to find are ones that are still sealed in a poly bag. I have Batman 535, Adv of Superman 631, and Superman Man of Tomorrow 6 newsstands still sealed in poly bag. The Adv of SM 631 sealed direct and newsstand is shown below. Also shown below is the Batman 535 sealed newsstand poly and the deluxe newsstand to boot. To give some idea of the premium for these sealed poly newsstand issues, I would gladly pay $100 for the ones on my want list.  I'm still looking for Action 726, Adv of Superman 539, Detective 702, or Superman Man of Steel 61.

It is hard to imagine someone pulling these off a newsstand and just keeping them sealed in the poly.  I feel very lucky to have found the three that are in my collection.

 

[paqart]

On 6/26/2020 at 5:45 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

..... there are Newsstands but then price variant or Edition newsstands, does what you say about the hardcore collectors and direct Edition still apply?

I mean regular Newsstand post 2000 dont seem nearly as sought after as price editions, but I'm wondering specifically your thoughts on price variant editions that are not key books compared to regular Newsstand non price variant Edition that are also not keys both post 2000's (?)

One of the things I like about newsstands relative to the 1970's price variants is that there is a newsstand issue for almost every key made.

[paqart]

On 6/15/2020 at 10:58 PM, maidenmate91 said:

I never considered this when weighing the possible ratio of direct vs newsstand. I always went by a year to % printed guide. This is a great point, it was supposed to be that if it didn't sell the cover was ripped off, and the book was sent back for a credit. 

Like you stated who actually did that is unknown, still something to consider in a discussion about the premium value of a newsstand. 

Example - post 2006: hypothetical 12% newsstand on the market. How many of these weren't destroyed?!

Also found this article post writing this response. It's a good informative read. 

https://rarecomics.wordpress.com/why-are-newsstand-comics-worth-more/

I'll add that some weren't "destroyed and returned for a refund" but seriously damaged and then resold with a partial or missing cover. Therefore, some of the ones that were marked as destroyed did survive but not in a collectible condition. For that reason, they don't add to the number of available collectible editions, particularly if the entire cover was ripped off, thus making it harder/impossible to tell if it is a newsstand edition.

[paqart]

Just for fun, I just spent the last two hours looking up 21 key issue newsstands published between 1999-2013. This was inspired by a poster here who refuses to believe that any newsstand is the equivalent of a 1:100 variant, or 1% of the available copies/print run. The same person has repeatedly predicted that once newsstands became better known and recognized for their rarity, they would become more common, not more rare. The suggested reason is that when prices and interest reached a certain point, the newsstand copies would come out in large numbers. From the little bit of digging I did tonight, the idea that late year newsstands are 1:100 variants is not well-supported. Some are, but not all. A 1:25 ratio is more like what I saw. That said, I wasn't able to find any newsstand copies of five issues, making it impossible to calculate a ratio for them. Here are the results:
 

Title	Volume	issue	publication year	Direct on eBay	NS on eBay	Ratio
Daredevil	1998	9	1999	86	8	10.75
Hulk	1999	12	2000	34	0	#DIV/0!
ASM	1999	30	2001	52	8	6.5
Catwoman	2002	1	2002	49	0	#DIV/0!
Batman	1943	608	2002	76	2	38
X-Men	1995	128	2002	62	5	12.4
Batman	1943	613	2003	65	2	32.5
X-Men	1963	451	2004	45	0	#DIV/0!
Ultimate Fantastic Four	2002	22	2005	43	0	#DIV/0!
Hulk	1999	92	2006	36	3	12
New Avengers	2005	27	2007	209	4	52.25
Daredevil	1998	111	2008	58	1	58
Hulk	2008	1	2008	100	4	25
Wolverine	2006	66	2008	47	2	23.5
ASM	1999	601	2009	47	1	47
Supergirl	2005	50	2010	15	0	#DIV/0!
Detective Comics	1938	880	2011	88	2	44
Daredevil	2012	1	2012	5	1	5
Deadpool	2013	1	2013	27	1	27
Morbius	2013	1	2013	80	2	40
Thor	2013	6	2013	102	1	102

[Lazyboy]

On 12/19/2021 at 1:56 AM, paqart said:

This was inspired by a poster here who refuses to believe that any newsstand is the equivalent of a 1:100 variant, or 1% of the available copies/print run.

With good reason.

On 12/19/2021 at 1:56 AM, paqart said:

 From the little bit of digging I did tonight, the idea that late year newsstands are 1:100 variants is not well-supported.

Duh.

[MAR1979]

On 12/19/2021 at 2:56 AM, paqart said:

Just for fun, I just spent the last two hours looking up 21 key issue newsstands published between 1999-2013. This was inspired by a poster here who refuses to believe that any newsstand is the equivalent of a 1:100 variant, or 1% of the available copies/print run. The same person has repeatedly predicted that once newsstands became better known and recognized for their rarity, they would become more common, not more rare. The suggested reason is that when prices and interest reached a certain point, the newsstand copies would come out in large numbers. From the little bit of digging I did tonight, the idea that late year newsstands are 1:100 variants is not well-supported. Some are, but not all. A 1:25 ratio is more like what I saw. That said, I wasn't able to find any newsstand copies of five issues, making it impossible to calculate a ratio for them. Here are the results:
 

Title	Volume	issue	publication year	Direct on eBay	NS on eBay	Ratio
Daredevil	1998	9	1999	86	8	10.75
Hulk	1999	12	2000	34	0	#DIV/0!
ASM	1999	30	2001	52	8	6.5
Catwoman	2002	1	2002	49	0	#DIV/0!
Batman	1943	608	2002	76	2	38
X-Men	1995	128	2002	62	5	12.4
Batman	1943	613	2003	65	2	32.5
X-Men	1963	451	2004	45	0	#DIV/0!
Ultimate Fantastic Four	2002	22	2005	43	0	#DIV/0!
Hulk	1999	92	2006	36	3	12
New Avengers	2005	27	2007	209	4	52.25
Daredevil	1998	111	2008	58	1	58
Hulk	2008	1	2008	100	4	25
Wolverine	2006	66	2008	47	2	23.5
ASM	1999	601	2009	47	1	47
Supergirl	2005	50	2010	15	0	#DIV/0!
Detective Comics	1938	880	2011	88	2	44
Daredevil	2012	1	2012	5	1	5
Deadpool	2013	1	2013	27	1	27
Morbius	2013	1	2013	80	2	40
Thor	2013	6	2013	102	1	102

You added to copper again    Thanks for your efforts however.

 

Edited December 20, 2021 by MAR1979

[LowGradeBronze]

On 6/16/2020 at 3:58 AM, maidenmate91 said:

I never considered this when weighing the possible ratio of direct vs newsstand. I always went by a year to % printed guide. This is a great point, it was supposed to be that if it didn't sell the cover was ripped off, and the book was sent back for a credit. 

Like you stated who actually did that is unknown, still something to consider in a discussion about the premium value of a newsstand. 

Example - post 2006: hypothetical 12% newsstand on the market. How many of these weren't destroyed?!

Also found this article post writing this response. It's a good informative read. 

https://rarecomics.wordpress.com/why-are-newsstand-comics-worth-more/

The Rare Comics newsstand article is a really good read. Worth bumping to the top of the thread again. 

[paqart]

On 12/19/2021 at 7:33 AM, Lazyboy said:

With good reason.

Duh.

Keep in mind, this is regarding all late year newsstands in general. There are many specific issues that are at the 1:100 ratio mark or even higher. For instance, I checked UF4 today and found 268 directs to zero newsstands. That isn't 1:100 or even 1:268. Without a single newsstand in the group, one can only say that availability on eBay at the time I checked was less than 1:268.

Secondly, your brilliant comment, "Duh", fails to reflect the reality that many newsstands are indeed rare, even if not at the 1:100 level. A comic that is in the 1:50 category, or even 1:25, remains significantly less common than their direct counterparts. Others, without any newsstands available for sale, have unknown availability ratios. They may be far less available than UF4 or much more available, like ASM 300. Without more data, it is hard to know. However, it appears to be the case that many modern newsstands are at least as uncommon as 1:100.

Edited December 20, 2021 by paqart

[paqart]

On 12/20/2021 at 1:01 PM, MAR1979 said:

You added to copper again    Thanks for your efforts however.

 

Yep. I made a new thread to rectify this, and added more content at the same time.

[Lazyboy]

On 12/20/2021 at 12:41 PM, LowGradeBronze said:

The Rare Comics newsstand article is a really good read.

No, it isn't.

On 12/20/2021 at 12:41 PM, LowGradeBronze said:

Worth bumping to the top of the thread again. 

No, it really, really isn't.

[Lazyboy]

On 12/20/2021 at 4:26 PM, paqart said:

Keep in mind, this is regarding all late year newsstands in general. There are many specific issues that are at the 1:100 ratio mark or even higher. For instance, I checked UF4 today and found 268 directs to zero newsstands. That isn't 1:100 or even 1:268. Without a single newsstand in the group, one can only say that availability on eBay at the time I checked was less than 1:268.

Secondly, your brilliant comment, "Duh", fails to reflect the reality that many newsstands are indeed rare, even if not at the 1:100 level. A comic that is in the 1:50 category, or even 1:25, remains significantly less common than their direct counterparts. Others, without any newsstands available for sale, have unknown availability ratios. They may be far less available than UF4 or much more available, like ASM 300. Without more data, it is hard to know. However, it appears to be the case that many modern newsstands are at least as uncommon as 1:100.

Print runs, distribution, ratio variants, and copies that are highly visible and available (ie. sitting on eBay) at a specific moment in time are all completely different things that are not related in any way that matters to this topic.

Most importantly, since some people still don't get it, what is available on eBay at a given moment only matters if you desperately need to buy a copy at that moment.