Mmanick Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 It's interesting how much X-Men 1 seems to fluctuate for people. I understand that its Silver Age impact (at that time) was not as significant, but its effect on the Marvel universe, not to mention dominance of the bronze age (IH 181, GSXM 1, X-Men 94) in my opinion makes it easily the 4th biggest silver-age key. I would be interested to hear why people think a book like TOS 39 or JIM 83 are more important than X-Men 1. I like gsx 1 over x men 1. I don't like the x men that much. Thor is more important to me in the marvel U then x men characters besides wolverine IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxtrot70 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I agreed w Gambit for most but made some of my own changes. (top 3 are no question!) 1) amazing fantasy 15 2) fantastic four 1 3) hulk 1 ---------------- 4) x-men 1 5) tales of suspense 39 6) journey into mystery 83 7) amazing spiderman 1 8) fantastic four 5 9) Fantastic four 4 10) Avengers 4 -------------- Honorable mentions in no order Strange tales 110 Avengers 1 Daredevil 1 Tales to astonish 27 Tales to astonish 35 Fantastic Four 48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxtrot70 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 It's interesting how much X-Men 1 seems to fluctuate for people. I understand that its Silver Age impact (at that time) was not as significant, but its effect on the Marvel universe, not to mention dominance of the bronze age (IH 181, GSXM 1, X-Men 94) in my opinion makes it easily the 4th biggest silver-age key. I would be interested to hear why people think a book like TOS 39 or JIM 83 are more important than X-Men 1. I like gsx 1 over x men 1. I don't like the x men that much. Thor is more important to me in the marvel U then x men characters besides wolverine IMO. Ditto - GSX 1 is more of a key to me as well. to prior post ques, I did bump Xmen 1 over TOS 39, and this coming from a IronMan fan for 40yrs! Now I did own most all xmen from 94 up at one time, so I do appreciate Xmen all the same. I think Xmen #1 is like TTA 27, wout TTA 35, it is nothing. Wout IH181/GSX1, Xmen 1 might as well be Atari Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillax23 Posted March 16, 2014 Author Share Posted March 16, 2014 I agree GSXM 1 gives us the X-Men which everyone prefers (well at least I do). But come on Magneto and Professor X in X-Men 1 make it such a huge key and ultimately more important that GSXM 1 IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxtrot70 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) I agree GSXM 1 gives us the X-Men which everyone prefers (well at least I do). But come on Magneto and Professor X in X-Men 1 make it such a huge key and ultimately more important that GSXM 1 IMO. Hmmm Magneto and Prof X vs the all new all diff Cockrum/Clairmont Xmen... Edited March 17, 2014 by Foxtrot70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillax23 Posted March 17, 2014 Author Share Posted March 17, 2014 I agree GSXM 1 gives us the X-Men which everyone prefers (well at least I do). But come on Magneto and Professor X in X-Men 1 make it such a huge key and ultimately more important that GSXM 1 IMO. Hmmm Magneto and Prof X vs the all new all diff Cockrum/Clairmont Xmen... Not denying what Cockrum/Clairmont did to the X-Men wasn't fantastic, but they don't have the building blocks without Professor X and Magneto. Plus Magneto is one of the best Marvel Villains (I am entirely biased here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasingKingKirby Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) I agree GSXM 1 gives us the X-Men which everyone prefers (well at least I do). But come on Magneto and Professor X in X-Men 1 make it such a huge key and ultimately more important that GSXM 1 IMO. Hmmm Magneto and Prof X vs the all new all diff Cockrum/Clairmont Xmen... Not denying what Cockrum/Clairmont did to the X-Men wasn't fantastic, but they don't have the building blocks without Professor X and Magneto. Plus Magneto is one of the best Marvel Villains (I am entirely biased here). I agree. Perhaps if GSX1 introduced Wolverine then it would be bigger than Xmen 1, but it didnt... We really only get Storm, Warpath, Colossus and Nightcrawler. That isn't bigger than jean grey, cyclops, iceman, beast, magneto, angel and professor X. Edited March 17, 2014 by ChasingKingKirby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxtrot70 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I agree GSXM 1 gives us the X-Men which everyone prefers (well at least I do). But come on Magneto and Professor X in X-Men 1 make it such a huge key and ultimately more important that GSXM 1 IMO. Hmmm Magneto and Prof X vs the all new all diff Cockrum/Clairmont Xmen... Not denying what Cockrum/Clairmont did to the X-Men wasn't fantastic, but they don't have the building blocks without Professor X and Magneto. Plus Magneto is one of the best Marvel Villains (I am entirely biased here). I agree. Perhaps if GSX1 introduced Wolverine then it would be bigger than Xmen 1, but it didnt... We really only get Storm, Warpath, Colossus and Nightcrawler. That isn't bigger than jean grey, cyclops, iceman, beast, magneto, angel and professor X. I think your biased because that Kirby fella had something to do w Xmen #1 But.... I still think the power of GSX 1 was the "synergy" of the new Xmen team. This was the rebirth-Boost of Hero genre. I know Star Wars was huge for Marvel, but Conan and Monster mags were not going to keep the lights on beyond the 70s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasingKingKirby Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I agree GSXM 1 gives us the X-Men which everyone prefers (well at least I do). But come on Magneto and Professor X in X-Men 1 make it such a huge key and ultimately more important that GSXM 1 IMO. Hmmm Magneto and Prof X vs the all new all diff Cockrum/Clairmont Xmen... Not denying what Cockrum/Clairmont did to the X-Men wasn't fantastic, but they don't have the building blocks without Professor X and Magneto. Plus Magneto is one of the best Marvel Villains (I am entirely biased here). I agree. Perhaps if GSX1 introduced Wolverine then it would be bigger than Xmen 1, but it didnt... We really only get Storm, Warpath, Colossus and Nightcrawler. That isn't bigger than jean grey, cyclops, iceman, beast, magneto, angel and professor X. I think your biased because that Kirby fella had something to do w Xmen #1 But.... I still think the power of GSX 1 was the "synergy" of the new Xmen team. This was the rebirth-Boost of Hero genre. I know Star Wars was huge for Marvel, but Conan and Monster mags were not going to keep the lights on beyond the 70s. Not at all. Kirby was the man, but I appreciate the "new" guys too. I just think the breadth of characters introduced in X1 is bigger and better than those introduced in GSX1. I agree the xmen didn't gain wide acclaim until GS1 but that doesn't change the significance of the two issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seredynskib Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) I agree GSXM 1 gives us the X-Men which everyone prefers (well at least I do). But come on Magneto and Professor X in X-Men 1 make it such a huge key and ultimately more important that GSXM 1 IMO. Hmmm Magneto and Prof X vs the all new all diff Cockrum/Clairmont Xmen... Not denying what Cockrum/Clairmont did to the X-Men wasn't fantastic, but they don't have the building blocks without Professor X and Magneto. Plus Magneto is one of the best Marvel Villains (I am entirely biased here). I agree. Perhaps if GSX1 introduced Wolverine then it would be bigger than Xmen 1, but it didnt... We really only get Storm, Warpath, Colossus and Nightcrawler. That isn't bigger than jean grey, cyclops, iceman, beast, magneto, angel and professor X. I think your biased because that Kirby fella had something to do w Xmen #1 But.... I still think the power of GSX 1 was the "synergy" of the new Xmen team. This was the rebirth-Boost of Hero genre. I know Star Wars was huge for Marvel, but Conan and Monster mags were not going to keep the lights on beyond the 70s. Not at all. Kirby was the man, but I appreciate the "new" guys too. I just think the breadth of characters introduced in X1 is bigger and better than those introduced in GSX1. I agree the xmen didn't gain wide acclaim until GS1 but that doesn't change the significance of the two issues. ^Agrees X1 > GSX1 --------------------------------------------------- Magneto, Professor X, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Beast & Angel > Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus & Thunderbird Edited March 18, 2014 by seredynskib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGGIEZ Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Isn't GSX a Bronze Age book?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasingKingKirby Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Isn't GSX a Bronze Age book?!? Yes. I think it was just a general discussion about the importance of X-men 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack1973 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 What about Amazing Spider-man 14 (First Goblin), he's pretty iconic Marvel's version of Joker in my opinion. I would place this on the same level as First Doom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGGIEZ Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Doom seemed to cross over to other titles a lot more, thus why I would put him at the top of the Marvel U villains list. Goblin seemed like he was trapped in ASM which limited his impact and importance on the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasingKingKirby Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Doom seemed to cross over to other titles a lot more, thus why I would put him at the top of the Marvel U villains list. Goblin seemed like he was trapped in ASM which limited his impact and importance on the universe. Yeah, I agree with that. As a matter of fact, did Goblin EVER cross-over in the silver age? I can't recall any other titles he appeared in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjonahjameson1 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Doom seemed to cross over to other titles a lot more, thus why I would put him at the top of the Marvel U villains list. Goblin seemed like he was trapped in ASM which limited his impact and importance on the universe. Yeah, I agree with that. As a matter of fact, did Goblin EVER cross-over in the silver age? I can't recall any other titles he appeared in. Other than Spectacular Spidey Magazine #2, I don't recall Gobby being in another Silver Age title outside of ASM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisco37 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Doom has to be top Marvel villain. Goblin is Spidey's "joker", for sure. But Doom is the more important villain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erndog Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Doom > Green Goblin AINEC IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillax23 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 hmmmmm something tells me a top 10 silver age marvel villains is needed. (1) FF #5 - Doom (2) X-Men #1 - Magneto (3) JIM #85 - Loki (4) ASM #3 - Doc Ock (5) ASM #14 - Green Goblin (6) ............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman28 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 hmmmmm something tells me a top 10 silver age marvel villains is needed. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
