What are the top 10 marvel silver keys?
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I agree GSXM 1 gives us the X-Men which everyone prefers (well at least I do). But come on Magneto and Professor X in X-Men 1 make it such a huge key and ultimately more important that GSXM 1 IMO.

 

Hmmm Magneto and Prof X vs the all new all diff Cockrum/Clairmont Xmen... (tsk)

 

Not denying what Cockrum/Clairmont did to the X-Men wasn't fantastic, but they don't have the building blocks without Professor X and Magneto. Plus Magneto is one of the best Marvel Villains (I am entirely biased here).

 

I agree. Perhaps if GSX1 introduced Wolverine then it would be bigger than Xmen 1, but it didnt... We really only get Storm, Warpath, Colossus and Nightcrawler. That isn't bigger than jean grey, cyclops, iceman, beast, magneto, angel and professor X.

 

I think your biased because that Kirby fella had something to do w Xmen #1 :foryou:

 

But.... I still think the power of GSX 1 was the "synergy" of the new Xmen team. This was the rebirth-Boost of Hero genre. I know Star Wars was huge for Marvel, but Conan and Monster mags were not going to keep the lights on beyond the 70s.

 

 

Im baffled how this could even be an argument...

 

do a little experiment here and simply ask yourself or x-fans the following;

 

would you rather have a sharp looking cgc 6.0-8.0 X-men #1 or a cgc 9.6-9.8 GSX#1..??

 

 

Literally every X-fan Ive ever asked immediately says X-men #1..

 

-nuff said

 

 

 

 

Be baffled - I would take GSX in 9.8 over Xmen1 in Fine range. It is a good thing we all have different favorites else some comics would be worthless and others so expensive no one could afford them : )

 

This is true. Different strokes for different folks. :thumbsup:

 

I personally prefer X-men 1 if doing an apples to apples comparison value-wise. An X1 in 6.0 is equal to a GS1 in 9.8. In that instance it comes down to visual appeal for me. I'd take a gorgeous 9.8 over a fugly 6.0. (Of course I'd then sell it and buy a visually appealing X1. :grin: )

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I agree GSXM 1 gives us the X-Men which everyone prefers (well at least I do). But come on Magneto and Professor X in X-Men 1 make it such a huge key and ultimately more important that GSXM 1 IMO.

 

Hmmm Magneto and Prof X vs the all new all diff Cockrum/Clairmont Xmen... (tsk)

 

Not denying what Cockrum/Clairmont did to the X-Men wasn't fantastic, but they don't have the building blocks without Professor X and Magneto. Plus Magneto is one of the best Marvel Villains (I am entirely biased here).

 

I agree. Perhaps if GSX1 introduced Wolverine then it would be bigger than Xmen 1, but it didnt... We really only get Storm, Warpath, Colossus and Nightcrawler. That isn't bigger than jean grey, cyclops, iceman, beast, magneto, angel and professor X.

 

I think your biased because that Kirby fella had something to do w Xmen #1 :foryou:

 

But.... I still think the power of GSX 1 was the "synergy" of the new Xmen team. This was the rebirth-Boost of Hero genre. I know Star Wars was huge for Marvel, but Conan and Monster mags were not going to keep the lights on beyond the 70s.

 

 

Im baffled how this could even be an argument...

 

do a little experiment here and simply ask yourself or x-fans the following;

 

would you rather have a sharp looking cgc 6.0-8.0 X-men #1 or a cgc 9.6-9.8 GSX#1..??

 

 

Literally every X-fan Ive ever asked immediately says X-men #1..

 

-nuff said

 

 

 

 

Be baffled - I would take GSX in 9.8 over Xmen1 in Fine range. It is a good thing we all have different favorites else some comics would be worthless and others so expensive no one could afford them : )

 

This is true. Different strokes for different folks. :thumbsup:

 

I personally prefer X-men 1 if doing an apples to apples comparison value-wise. An X1 in 6.0 is equal to a GS1 in 9.8. In that instance it comes down to visual appeal for me. I'd take a gorgeous 9.8 over a fugly 6.0. (Of course I'd then sell it and buy a visually appealing X1. :grin: )

 

Well if they are the same value then that means the market demand implies I am not alone in my thinking. :headbang:

 

Also FWIW, the way I answered the ques was not taking value into account such that I would "sell" it. If someone offered me one or other and arrangement was that I cannot sell it, i could only return it, I would want the GSX 1. I really like that era of Xmen...art, stories, all the way up to the late 80s. yeah, Kirby is greatness, but the orig xmen is prob least favorite SA key next to Spiderman... yeah, I just never got into spidey like other folks, but I did try... bought new/back issues off and on for 10yrs. Even had AF 15. I think what really killed spidey for me was Secret Wars 8... just down hill from there.

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I agree GSXM 1 gives us the X-Men which everyone prefers (well at least I do). But come on Magneto and Professor X in X-Men 1 make it such a huge key and ultimately more important that GSXM 1 IMO.

 

Hmmm Magneto and Prof X vs the all new all diff Cockrum/Clairmont Xmen... (tsk)

 

Not denying what Cockrum/Clairmont did to the X-Men wasn't fantastic, but they don't have the building blocks without Professor X and Magneto. Plus Magneto is one of the best Marvel Villains (I am entirely biased here).

 

I agree. Perhaps if GSX1 introduced Wolverine then it would be bigger than Xmen 1, but it didnt... We really only get Storm, Warpath, Colossus and Nightcrawler. That isn't bigger than jean grey, cyclops, iceman, beast, magneto, angel and professor X.

 

I think your biased because that Kirby fella had something to do w Xmen #1 :foryou:

 

But.... I still think the power of GSX 1 was the "synergy" of the new Xmen team. This was the rebirth-Boost of Hero genre. I know Star Wars was huge for Marvel, but Conan and Monster mags were not going to keep the lights on beyond the 70s.

 

 

Im baffled how this could even be an argument...

 

do a little experiment here and simply ask yourself or x-fans the following;

 

would you rather have a sharp looking cgc 6.0-8.0 X-men #1 or a cgc 9.6-9.8 GSX#1..??

 

 

Literally every X-fan Ive ever asked immediately says X-men #1..

 

-nuff said

 

 

 

 

Be baffled - I would take GSX in 9.8 over Xmen1 in Fine range. It is a good thing we all have different favorites else some comics would be worthless and others so expensive no one could afford them : )

 

This is true. Different strokes for different folks. :thumbsup:

 

I personally prefer X-men 1 if doing an apples to apples comparison value-wise. An X1 in 6.0 is equal to a GS1 in 9.8. In that instance it comes down to visual appeal for me. I'd take a gorgeous 9.8 over a fugly 6.0. (Of course I'd then sell it and buy a visually appealing X1. :grin: )

 

Well if they are the same value then that means the market demand implies I am not alone in my thinking. :headbang:

 

Also FWIW, the way I answered the ques was not taking value into account such that I would "sell" it. If someone offered me one or other and arrangement was that I cannot sell it, i could only return it, I would want the GSX 1. I really like that era of Xmen...art, stories, all the way up to the late 80s. yeah, Kirby is greatness, but the orig xmen is prob least favorite SA key next to Spiderman... yeah, I just never got into spidey like other folks, but I did try... bought new/back issues off and on for 10yrs. Even had AF 15. I think what really killed spidey for me was Secret Wars 8... just down hill from there.

 

That is a unique view for sure. Most people would refer to the disastrous clone saga as the thing that destroyed Spidey in the eyes of mainstrream fans. Secret Wars 8 was awesome in my opinion. Gave us the precursor to the most popular villain of the last 30 years.

 

And I can't answer any "would you rather have X or Y?" question without taking value into consideration. Sure I like X1 better than GSX1, but I'm not stupid. Whenver were talking about 1000s of dollars, return on investment has to be a concern. At least in the part of the pond I'm swimming in...

 

 

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I'm in the air as I love the idea of Dr Strange, and I consider him up there in the Daredevil class of "B" characters from the 60's. I think he is finally getting some love and long overdue, but in comparison to all the others he is not in the top ten yet. With the upcoming movie and if it's marketed well, he will move up the list. It's all about recognition, let's face it the Daredevil movie did not work, so I am cautious when writing this.

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Posted (edited)

I don't think I could ring em off 1-11 but could see them in tiers.

Tier1:

FF1

AF15

Hulk1

 

Tier 2:

Xmen1 (I'd put this in tier 1 except I'd be in the minority)

Jim83

TOS39

 

Tier3:

ST110

FF48

TTA27

ASM1

FF5

Avengers1

 

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8 hours ago, c_mkv said:

I don't think I could ring em off 1-11 but could see them in tiers.

Tier1:

FF1

AF15

Hulk1

 

Tier 2:

Xmen1 (I'd put this in tier 1 except I'd be in the minority)

Jim83

TOS39

 

Tier3:

ST110

FF48

TTA27

ASM1

FF5

Avengers1

 

This is a great list.  As much as I love FF 48, I'm not really sure it's on the same level with those other Tier 3 books.  It seems to me it would be in a "Tier 4" that would include books like JIM 85, TOS 52, FF 52, etc.  Also you left out DD 1 and TTA 35 (perhaps on purpose) -- those would be two more books on the bubble between Tier 3 and Tier 4.

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AF 15

Hulk 1

FF 1

XMen 1

TOS 39

JIM 83

TTA 27

ASM 1

Avengers 1

Avengers 4 (Cap is bigger than Doom DD or Dr Strange)

Honorable mention:

DD1

FF 5

ST 110

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11 hours ago, Sweet Lou 14 said:

This is a great list.  As much as I love FF 48, I'm not really sure it's on the same level with those other Tier 3 books.  It seems to me it would be in a "Tier 4" that would include books like JIM 85, TOS 52, FF 52, etc.  Also you left out DD 1 and TTA 35 (perhaps on purpose) -- those would be two more books on the bubble between Tier 3 and Tier 4.

Yup...totally forgot about dd1...tier 3 for sure. I’ve always loved the surfer and am probably a little biased. Never loved TTA35 though and I think you’re right about a 4th tier....I’d include FF4 and Avengers 4 in the 4th tier as they’re not first appearances

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On 3/18/2014 at 9:20 PM, Zack1973 said:

I agree with everything, but when I look at what the Goblin has accomplished as a villain in comparison to Doom, I see some big differences.

 

Doom Vs F.F in most cases, and in 99% of time was defeated with no lasting mark. His main goal is always best Reed.

 

Where Goblin was able to discover Spidey's secret Identity, and even murdered his Girl. Marvel finally branched him outside Spidey's universe with Aftermath to Civil War. Making Norman more noticeable to the Marvel Universe.

 

Lastly

 

Dafoe (Oscar Nominated Actor) Vs McMahon (Nothing yet) :)

 

My 2cents

 

Have to Disagree. Dr. Doom is Marvel's #1 villain. The most iconic looking and a bigger threat to your average hero.  In the Marvel universe, Dr Doom instills way more fear and dread into heroes minds than the green goblin.  The green goblin is not a global or cosmic threat in the same way Doom is, nor has he pestered other heroes nearly as much as Doom. He's basically just a spiderman villain, I know recently they made norman Osborn interact with more heroes ala Lex Luthor as well as making him more threatening but that is a very recent development. Doom has been harassing the Avengers, the xmen, spidey, the hulk and of course the FF since his inception in the early '60s.  He's also beaten just about everyone, Galactus, the Beyonder, thanos etc. as far a power level he really dwarfs the green goblin.

The movies don't have much to do with any of this and Doom has tragically been awfully adapted into cinema, but with Feige having him I expect that to change. I foresee the MCU treating him as a very big villain in the same way he is in comics, and able to show up in various movies, not just the Fantastic Four's.  

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Top two Marvel villains are pretty easy - Dr. Doom and Magneto ...... after that there is some debating to do :) 

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On 4/16/2019 at 8:05 PM, Chillax23 said:

Top two Marvel villains are pretty easy - Dr. Doom and Magneto ...... after that there is some debating to do :) 

Galactus in 3rd? 

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4 hours ago, c_mkv said:

Galactus in 3rd? 

Among the cosmic villains I really think Thanos is on top -- the problem (for me) with Galactus is that he's more of a force of nature than a villain.  The best villains let you inside their heads just enough that you can understand and relate to what motivates them, or even be surprised at how much you can relate to them.  It's been decades since a writer did anything really interesting or memorable with Galactus, unfortunately -- he's usually a backdrop to the real action of a story.

Personally if I were picking a third villain for the top tier I would go with Loki.  The Red Skull has the longest history (in terms of first appearance in the comics, not as measured against the lifespan of Loki or Galactus), but he's a bit one-note for me.

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4 hours ago, c_mkv said:

Galactus in 3rd? 

 

47 minutes ago, Sweet Lou 14 said:

Among the cosmic villains I really think Thanos is on top -- the problem (for me) with Galactus is that he's more of a force of nature than a villain.  The best villains let you inside their heads just enough that you can understand and relate to what motivates them, or even be surprised at how much you can relate to them.  It's been decades since a writer did anything really interesting or memorable with Galactus, unfortunately -- he's usually a backdrop to the real action of a story.

Personally if I were picking a third villain for the top tier I would go with Loki.  The Red Skull has the longest history (in terms of first appearance in the comics, not as measured against the lifespan of Loki or Galactus), but he's a bit one-note for me.

If I were picking a third I would probably pick Thanos  for the same reasons mentioned above.  But if we are sticking to the Silver Age then Loki, Galactus, And Kingpin come to mind

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The problem with Marvel villain history insofar as naming a Hall of Fame-style list is there's only a few who have been consistently great antagonists. Marvel history, and it's not necessarily a bad thing, is its full of villains who have been great in short bursts, one or two story arcs, then not used again or never used again at the same level of story quality. Examples of what I mean: Graviton (1st app Avengers 158-159), Korvac (long Avengers saga culminating in 177), Nebulon (early Defenders appearances), Proteus (X-Men 128), etc.

Fully developed, sustainable villains like Doom, Magneto, Kingpin, Loki etc are tough. I agree Galactus is more like a very important supporting character than a villain, though he's always an ominous threat. 

Toward the thread's original intent, I'll add Sgt Fury #1 to the top honorable mentions list as he's pretty arguably Marvel's top supporting character-level from the hero side, after Hank Pym. These two are to Marvel the Martian Manhunter is to DC's universe, IMO.

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9 hours ago, Chillax23 said:

 

If I were picking a third I would probably pick Thanos  for the same reasons mentioned above.  But if we are sticking to the Silver Age then Loki, Galactus, And Kingpin come to mind

No love for Norman Osborne?

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1 hour ago, makeminemarvel said:

No love for Norman Osborne?

Great Spider-Man villain - but no real impact on the Marvel universe and not really a crossover villain (although maybe they changed this in copper/modern?). Also, I am not even sure he is the best Spidey villain (Doc Ock and Venom come to mind). 

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