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Comic Book Spine Realignment Therapy, turn your 8.5's into 9.2's!

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fastballspecial

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Plus, let's not lose sight of the real problem. There's pressing and then there's stupidity. Stupidity is what CGC is encouraging, fostering, and displaying in allowing something like that in a blue label. The CGC is the one creating a marketplace where that type of creative manipulation is acceptable. I don't see these type of books jumping off the shelves with that level of eye appeal.

 

I'm not disagreeing with you in whole, but part of me has to ask if the majority of people here didn't get caught up in label chasing was 100% true, there would be no financial incentive for people to engage in the pressing play.

 

The above post hit the nail on the head. The chase for a number for many as collector or seller causes this issue and it will only get worse. I am thinking.

True some will want the book changed just to suit their taste, but its pressing is probably 90% or more about the grade.

 

Locally an OS advisor is now pressing and cleaning books as a service. Why? Cause I guess there is money to be had there now. Its a growing service. Personally I am glad I sell and buy raw 95% of the time so I don't have to deal with this.

 

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etanick

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I was reading that last night and looking at the photos over too much Jack Daniels to start posting. You have to have a steel pair to pull a 10k plus book and then start tugging and pulling on it. My question is, is this the same book. Most say yes. Here are my problems:

 

CGC doesn't grade on wrap. That's CVA's new job. This 8.5 (which people are even questioning that grade), especially since CGC's new tightening may have got it an 8.0. Spine ticks are very obvious and will dump a grade, but CGC is supposed to grade the front AND back. I've bought some nice 9.2's that should have been 9.6 and the back is where the points were lost. Great front eye appeal; low grade.

 

HOW DID the person grading this book not note the back defects that were pushed from the front cover? I think CGC was not expecting this. Maybe they grade on front eye appeal over back covers? Either way, we now know what to look for when buying high end books. If the cover wrap is wrong and we see too many interior pages showing, we can assume that this book was realigned with a press.

 

You do have to give the guy some credit. It took a huge pair to buy, crack, and to come up with the idea no matter how distasteful it is to collectors that prefer books as they are. Personally, the book is worth less to me than its 8.5 price now that I know it's been tampered with.

I wondered this as well. I don't doubt it is the same book but why is the grade any higher now that the defects have been moved? Also, I thought CGC graded down for mis-wraps as well?

 

do I need to bring out the scan of the 10.0 with miswrap again?

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drbanner

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So are you guys saying that this type of work is something not offered by Matt Nelson?

 

Good question - does CGC offer this service as part of their in-house pressing, restoration removal, and pre-submittal tinkering with books before they carry them down the hallway to get graded? (shrug)

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comicwiz

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So are you guys saying that this type of work is something not offered by Matt Nelson?

 

I'm not sure if you're directing this question to me, but I don't know.

 

What I do know is that agencies like the FTC need to be alerted of this type of fraud and manipulation, and I'll leave it to them to decide the appropriate action for consumer redress.

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DrWatson

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So are you guys saying that this type of work is something not offered by Matt Nelson?

I don't believe the identity of the person who preformed the pressing has been established. I know it wasn't Joey as evidenced by his post in the Silver age forum thread.

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TupennyConan

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So, not only do you get a beautiful 9.2 with a bizarre, shortened right edge but you also get that 7.5 spine & top corner wear moved to the back cover.

 

Yup, that's worth the 9.2 money.

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In my mind, the realigned copy should grade lower than the 8.5 copy. It still has the same defects, but now the front cover comes up short on the right edge.

 

I'd be shocked if even a label chaser would pay 9.2 money for this book, but the seller is probably aware of that. He has it priced at 85K, but if a potential buyer offered as low as 25K, the seller has still made a healthy profit.

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