KirbyJack Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/29/2019 at 1:20 AM, OtherEric said: An odd question: a listing online claims this is the first EC horror cover. I was wondering if this was generally agreed, or if it was just a certain dealer trying to double their already high price tag on the book. Further research reveals that this is the Sept.-Oct. issue. I suspect a Halloween theme rather than horror. Marty Mann and Larryw7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherEric Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 30 minutes ago, KirbyJack said: Further research reveals that this is the Sept.-Oct. issue. I suspect a Halloween theme rather than horror. I think it's quite possible that a Halloween cover could also be a Horror cover. I think trying to identify the first EC horror cover is actually an interesting discussion, and a Land of the Lost cover is as likely a candidate as any. I do not require that the creators of the book actually consciously thought "This is horror" to count a cover as horror. I also think that, if we do pick a Land of the Lost cover as the first EC horror cover, 6 or (less certainly) 5 are probably better candidates for the honor. Scans from GCD, if anybody has better ones I would love to see them: KirbyJack, Raze and Marty Mann 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KirbyJack Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) As I said in a previous post, I have a candidate for EC’s first Horror comic. This is not generally recognized as such by collectors. The history goes like this; Sheldon Moldoff pitches Bill Gaines an idea to do a horror comic under the working title of “Tales of the Supernatural”. Gaines OKs it, Moldoff produces four stories, and brings them in. Legal stuff gets in the way, and that comic doesn’t happen. Gaines does own the stories, so he publishes them in existing titles. The first story published is “Vampire of the Bayou”, in Moon Girl #4. Here’s the worst copy in the world! Edited November 3, 2019 by KirbyJack Raze and Larryw7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyJack Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Overstreet cites EC’s first horror story as “Zombie Terror” from Moon Girl 5. This is probably because Moon Girl doesn’t appear in that story. But they were all intended to be horror comics, so I think Moon Girl 4 edges it out. What say you? Robot Man, AJD, Larryw7 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherEric Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 2 hours ago, KirbyJack said: Overstreet cites EC’s first horror story as “Zombie Terror” from Moon Girl 5. This is probably because Moon Girl doesn’t appear in that story. But they were all intended to be horror comics, so I think Moon Girl 4 edges it out. What say you? I have to agree with you, that's clearly a horror story. It reminds me somewhat of the Hero/ Horror hybrid stories in VENUS, actually. Now I'm wondering what the first EC SF story and cover are... KirbyJack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifties Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 3 hours ago, OtherEric said: I have to agree with you, that's clearly a horror story. It reminds me somewhat of the Hero/ Horror hybrid stories in VENUS, actually. Now I'm wondering what the first EC SF story and cover are... I guess this could be argued either way, but I would go with Overstreet's determination. A story is either horror or superhero; you can't really have the latter in a true horror story, which by it's nature puts ordinary people in danger, while superhero's can't get killed. KirbyJack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC ed Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 42 minutes ago, fifties said: I guess this could be argued either way, but I would go with Overstreet's determination. A story is either horror or superhero; you can't really have the latter in a true horror story, which by it's nature puts ordinary people in danger, while superhero's can't get killed. I've actually put a lot of thought and discussion into this exact question about Moon Girl #4 vs #5 . I used to try to argue among friends that #4 contained the first horror story, but I have since been convinced that the story in Moon Girl #4 is not a "horror" story precisely because Moon Girl is in it - therefore, it's a "superhero" story, not a "horror" story. So, I'm now calling the story in Moon Girl #4 something like "the first EC story with a horror element in it", whereas Moon Girl #5 contains the first pure "horror story" Seriously, before I came to this acceptance, I was hoarding copies of Moon Girl #4, awaiting the realization by the hobby that it was the first horror story fifties, Randall Dowling and KirbyJack 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyJack Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I absolutely see your reasoning. Still, I keep thinking about Moldoff’s process. ”Ok, horror. Let’s think...we’ll want a werewolf, a vampire, a zombie...” A vampire story had to have been his first or second idea for a horror comic. That said, I’m positive that EC guys like Ed have put more thought into this than I. I’m just content that my Moon Girl 4 has the FIRST story from EC’s Tales of the Supernatural; a horror comic! 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hap Hazard Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 On 10/31/2019 at 11:26 AM, OtherEric said: I think it's quite possible that a Halloween cover could also be a Horror cover. I think trying to identify the first EC horror cover is actually an interesting discussion, and a Land of the Lost cover is as likely a candidate as any. I do not require that the creators of the book actually consciously thought "This is horror" to count a cover as horror. I also think that, if we do pick a Land of the Lost cover as the first EC horror cover, 6 or (less certainly) 5 are probably better candidates for the honor. Scans from GCD, if anybody has better ones I would love to see them: Well here's a scan of the full run, I think the covers reflect mystery and adventure based off the radio program for children. Horror covers maybe a bit of a reach, but good covers. Raze, OtherEric, Larryw7 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hap Hazard Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 10 hours ago, EC ed said: I've actually put a lot of thought and discussion into this exact question about Moon Girl #4 vs #5 . I used to try to argue among friends that #4 contained the first horror story, but I have since been convinced that the story in Moon Girl #4 is not a "horror" story precisely because Moon Girl is in it - therefore, it's a "superhero" story, not a "horror" story. So, I'm now calling the story in Moon Girl #4 something like "the first EC story with a horror element in it", whereas Moon Girl #5 contains the first pure "horror story" Seriously, before I came to this acceptance, I was hoarding copies of Moon Girl #4, awaiting the realization by the hobby that it was the first horror story I think Ed has explained it pretty much how most EC collectors look at it. Very cool story by Moldoff but a superhero story never the less. KirbyJack, Marty Mann, OtherEric and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Mann Posted November 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2019 One of my all time EC favorites. fifties, AJD, Larryw7 and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fifties Posted November 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2019 I got one of those; OtherEric, KirbyJack, Marty Mann and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hap Hazard Posted November 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2019 2 hours ago, fifties said: I got one of those; One of Al Feldstein's best covers ever. Larryw7, OtherEric, KirbyJack and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyJack Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 My favorite TFTC cover! Wish I had one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Man Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Yeah, a classic for sure. These two are my favorites by Feldstein. OtherEric, AJD, Larryw7 and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hap Hazard Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Came in the Mail today: EC FAN-ADDICT CLUB BULLETIN # 1 Raze, Larryw7, KirbyJack and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifties Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Bagged a couple of early Sci-Fi readers off HA, received today. OtherEric, Raze, Larryw7 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Professor Posted November 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2019 Got this beauty in the Mail yesterday! Raze, fifties, KirbyJack and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherEric Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 On 11/5/2019 at 4:49 AM, The Professor said: Got this beauty in the Mail yesterday! Jack Davis doing some SF work is one of the many little gems found in the last year of the EC comics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
