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Valiant first appearances (quick version for beginners) Now with pictures!
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AshKenziePaul

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Any word on the run size of Harbinger 0 pink?

Estimated at about 3500.

 

From the Valiantfans grandpappy.

 

Print Run Estimates Adjusted - using all available data

 

Harbinger 0 PINK SENDAWAY - OLD: 3,500 redeemed ::: NEW: about 6,500

 

That's a nice link! Thank you :)

I didn't see Rai #9 gold on it though.....any ideas on that one?

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valiantman

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Any word on the run size of Harbinger 0 pink?

Estimated at about 3500.

 

From the Valiantfans grandpappy.

 

Print Run Estimates Adjusted - using all available data

 

Harbinger 0 PINK SENDAWAY - OLD: 3,500 redeemed ::: NEW: about 6,500

 

That's a nice link! Thank you :)

I didn't see Rai #9 gold on it though.....any ideas on that one?

Golds are 5,000, except Unity #1 Gold... it's probably closer to 10,000.

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Dug through my Valiant boxes earlier today and found these:

 

Archer & Armstrong #0 - 2 copies

Archer & Armstrong #8 - 2 copies

Bloodshot #6

Harbinger #10 - 2 copies

Rai #0 - 5 copies

X-O Manowar #1

 

I then went to an LCS and found these for a total of $32.00:

 

Archer & Armstrong #0

Archer & Armstrong #8 - 2 copies

Eternal Warrior #4

Magnus #5

Solar #10 (2nd printing)

X-O Manowar #4

 

Not a bad day. :cool:

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valiantman

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Dug through my Valiant boxes earlier today and found these:

 

Archer & Armstrong #0 - 2 copies

Archer & Armstrong #8 - 2 copies

Bloodshot #6

Harbinger #10 - 2 copies

Rai #0 - 5 copies

X-O Manowar #1

 

I then went to an LCS and found these for a total of $32.00:

 

Archer & Armstrong #0

Archer & Armstrong #8 - 2 copies

Eternal Warrior #4

Magnus #5

Solar #10 (2nd printing)

X-O Manowar #4

 

Not a bad day. :cool:

 

Nice! No surprise that you found the late-1992 and 1993 books in your boxes.

X-O #1 is a bit of a surprise... it was definitely earlier than the others.

 

The LCS having a few of the books is very nice.

Magnus #5 has been about the 3rd best Magnus issue for 20 years.

Magnus #12 was best, Magnus #1 was second.

 

Both of those books have been important for the first appearances,

but both of those first appearances are for characters no longer

in the Valiant universe (Turok & Magnus).

 

It would be interesting if the 3rd best issue in the Magnus run

ends up being the best issue of the run 25 years later.

There are cards inside Magnus #1-#8, so there's always a concern that one of the cards is missing (the coupon for #0).

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Dug through my Valiant boxes earlier today and found these:

 

Archer & Armstrong #0 - 2 copies

Archer & Armstrong #8 - 2 copies

Bloodshot #6

Harbinger #10 - 2 copies

Rai #0 - 5 copies

X-O Manowar #1

 

I then went to an LCS and found these for a total of $32.00:

 

Archer & Armstrong #0

Archer & Armstrong #8 - 2 copies

Eternal Warrior #4

Magnus #5

Solar #10 (2nd printing)

X-O Manowar #4

 

Not a bad day. :cool:

 

Nice! No surprise that you found the late-1992 and 1993 books in your boxes.

X-O #1 is a bit of a surprise... it was definitely earlier than the others.

 

The LCS having a few of the books is very nice.

Magnus #5 has been about the 3rd best Magnus issue for 20 years.

Magnus #12 was best, Magnus #1 was second.

 

Both of those books have been important for the first appearances,

but both of those first appearances are for characters no longer

in the Valiant universe (Turok & Magnus).

 

It would be interesting if the 3rd best issue in the Magnus run

ends up being the best issue of the run 25 years later.

There are cards inside Magnus #1-#8, so there's always a concern that one of the cards is missing (the coupon for #0).

 

I just found 4 more copies of Rai #0 (9 copies total). I knew I had a bunch of those. lol

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I just found 4 more copies of Rai #0 (9 copies total). I knew I had a bunch of those. lol

:headbang:

 

There's an amazing difference in the availability of pre-Unity (like Magnus #5, Harbinger #1, Solar #10)

and immediate post-Unity (particularly Harbinger #10, Rai #0, Shadowman #8).

 

It wasn't overnight... but in a window of maybe six months in 1992, the print runs tripled.

 

Then the 1993 books like Archer & Armstrong #8 and Bloodshot #6 just about tripled the print runs again.

 

I might need to make a chart. hm:grin:

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GeeksAreMyPeeps

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Dug through my Valiant boxes earlier today and found these:

 

Archer & Armstrong #0 - 2 copies

Archer & Armstrong #8 - 2 copies

Bloodshot #6

Harbinger #10 - 2 copies

Rai #0 - 5 copies

X-O Manowar #1

 

I then went to an LCS and found these for a total of $32.00:

 

Archer & Armstrong #0

Archer & Armstrong #8 - 2 copies

Eternal Warrior #4

Magnus #5

Solar #10 (2nd printing)

X-O Manowar #4

 

Not a bad day. :cool:

 

I just checked my collection list, and it looks something like this:

Magnus #5 – 4 copies

Solar Man of the Atom #3 – 4 copies

Magnus #7 – 1 copy (I don't consider this particularly key, especially as the origin of the new X-O armor is fairly different

 

1992

Harbinger #1 – 5 copies

X-O Manowar #1 – 5 copies

X-O Manowar #4 – 3 copies

Shadowman #1 – 9 copies

Solar #10 – 3 copies (& 4 reprints)

Archer & Armstrong #0* – 5 copies

Harbinger #10 – 6 copies

Eternal Warrior #4 – 7 copies

Rai #0 – 7 copies

Shadowman #8 – 6 copies

 

1993

Archer & Armstrong / Eternal Warrior #8 – 23 copies (you can't help but accumulate these as you put together A&A and EW runs by buying lots on eBay)

Bloodshot #6 – 11 copies

 

Also of note:

Rai #1 – 4 copies

Rai #2 – 1 copy

Rai #3 – 3 copies

Rai #4 – 2 copies

Rai #5 – 3 copies

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Dug through my Valiant boxes earlier today and found these:

 

Archer & Armstrong #0 - 2 copies

Archer & Armstrong #8 - 2 copies

Bloodshot #6

Harbinger #10 - 2 copies

Rai #0 - 5 copies

X-O Manowar #1

 

I then went to an LCS and found these for a total of $32.00:

 

Archer & Armstrong #0

Archer & Armstrong #8 - 2 copies

Eternal Warrior #4

Magnus #5

Solar #10 (2nd printing)

X-O Manowar #4

 

Not a bad day. :cool:

 

I just checked my collection list, and it looks something like this:

Magnus #5 – 4 copies

Solar Man of the Atom #3 – 4 copies

Magnus #7 – 1 copy (I don't consider this particularly key, especially as the origin of the new X-O armor is fairly different

 

1992

Harbinger #1 – 5 copies

X-O Manowar #1 – 5 copies

X-O Manowar #4 – 3 copies

Shadowman #1 – 9 copies

Solar #10 – 3 copies (& 4 reprints)

Archer & Armstrong #0* – 5 copies

Harbinger #10 – 6 copies

Eternal Warrior #4 – 7 copies

Rai #0 – 7 copies

Shadowman #8 – 6 copies

 

1993

Archer & Armstrong / Eternal Warrior #8 – 23 copies (you can't help but accumulate these as you put together A&A and EW runs by buying lots on eBay)

Bloodshot #6 – 11 copies

 

Also of note:

Rai #1 – 4 copies

Rai #2 – 1 copy

Rai #3 – 3 copies

Rai #4 – 2 copies

Rai #5 – 3 copies

 

:applause:

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I just found 4 more copies of Rai #0 (9 copies total). I knew I had a bunch of those. lol

:headbang:

 

There's an amazing difference in the availability of pre-Unity (like Magnus #5, Harbinger #1, Solar #10)

and immediate post-Unity (particularly Harbinger #10, Rai #0, Shadowman #8).

 

It wasn't overnight... but in a window of maybe six months in 1992, the print runs tripled.

 

Then the 1993 books like Archer & Armstrong #8 and Bloodshot #6 just about tripled the print runs again.

 

I might need to make a chart. hm:grin:

 

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For everyone digging out their old Harbingers and Magnus issues, make sure the coupons are still intact. If you are buying at the LCS you what to sure they are still there.

 

Harbinger 1-6

Magnus 1-8

 

VF.com has the coupons well documented on what they were and what they look like.

 

 

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So what is the consensus on the first appearance of Bloodshot. Eternal Warrior 4 or Rai 0? I know EW 4 is the cameo on the last page, but is that enough to be more valuable than Rai 0?

Depends on the collector. It's been years since I read Rai #0 but even in that issue I don't think it's all that large an appearance.

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For everyone digging out their old Harbingers and Magnus issues, make sure the coupons are still intact. If you are buying at the LCS you what to sure they are still there.

 

Harbinger 1-6

Magnus 1-8

 

VF.com has the coupons well documented on what they were and what they look like.

 

IIRC, some of the coupons are not actually bound in. With that in mind, I was wondering what thoughts were from an ethical perspective on swapping the coupon out of a lower-grade book and inserting it into a higher-grade that had the coupon removed. (Only for those issues where the coupon wasn't actually bound in.)

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So what is the consensus on the first appearance of Bloodshot. Eternal Warrior 4 or Rai 0? I know EW 4 is the cameo on the last page, but is that enough to be more valuable than Rai 0?

 

EW #4 ---> Rai #0 ----> EW #5.

 

Bingo!

 

If you have all three, you are set.

 

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