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[fett]

So where'd the most memorable line from the first trailer go where Jyn is talking to Mon Mothma about her troubled past and says "This is a rebellion, isn't it? I rebel."

 

Lots of quotes and scenes in the trailers that were a noshow in the movie.

[miraclemet]

So where'd the most memorable line from the first trailer go where Jyn is talking to Mon Mothma about her troubled past and says "This is a rebellion, isn't it? I rebel."

 

Lots of quotes and scenes in the trailers that were a noshow in the movie.

 

not surprising considering Disney brought someone in to do reshoots and reedits after the trailers had come out...

[miraclemet]

 

An example is Saw Gerrera. Other than a small scene showing him opening the hatch to find Jin, and later some weird scene with some weird tentacles ( which I thought was awful ) his character was not shown or developed at all. His death is meaningless to me, like so many other characters in the movie. We are told he is important, I want to be shown. Lets see some film time of him training Jin, some relationship between them instead of countless blaster scenes and ships flying around.

 

 

Saw Gerrera is one of the main characters in the Clone Wars and Rebels cartoons, so no doubt his death meant a lot more to fans of those shows. I'm with you, though. As fan service, it was probably great. But as a character in this movie, he was a cipher. I think they had a bit of Marvel-itis going on, relying on the viewer's knowledge of the extended universe to paper over holes in their storytelling.

 

 

There was a section of the movie that got cut. After he rescues her from the hatch, there was an act in the movie of Saw training Jin as a young girl and moving thru her growing up that better established him as a replacement father figure in some way, but keeping himself at a distance in other ways. I think early notes were that the first part of the movie dragged too much, and they needed to get to the Rebels sooner, so they cut the big establishment section of Saw.

 

 

[thirdgreenham]

The Vader scene at the end . . .

 

Yea, BIG time. Movie was entertaining, but that scene was just awesome. Not as exciting as when Yoda opened up his can of whoop- in Episode II, but pretty close. I wasn't expecting it.

 

I just don't get it, and another issue I have with the movie.

 

Vader should move like he did fighting Obi Wan in Star Wars. When I see the end of R1, I wanna poke my eyes out. That's not in continuity with the story at all and I take it as a big FU to me personally as the studio is saying "look what we can do now with computers, to hell with everything else you ever known"

 

Jim

Honestly, I hated the Yoda vs. Dooku battle because of the over-indulgent use of CGI, but, as someone who saw the original Star Wars as a 3-year-old and has been immersed in Star Wars ever since, I don't understand this criticism toward the Vader scene at all -- why in the world would they handcuff him by sticking to that awkward, clunky, limited fighting style? Just to stay in continuity?! The Vader in R1 was so much more fluid and mowed through the troopers with superhuman power and dexterity (the way he should)! With as complex and sophisticated as fight choreography has gotten since 1977 (as we saw with Ray Park -- one of the genuine bright spots of the prequels), why would they try to portray one of the most powerful entities in the galaxy in such a stilted, unconvincing style?

 

This scene genuinely *floored* me in a way that most Star Wars movies have so disappointingly failed to do since ROTJ. I can't even comment on most of the rest of R1 because I can't get past how visceral the impression of actually seeing Vader unleashed was: Vader as an relentless, unfeeling, brutal instrument of terror. For me, this was the saga finally living up to its potential and, for once, this jaded fan actually left the theater feeling "satisfied". There have been so many blown opportunities with villains like Maul and Fett (or even the off-camera Anakin/Vader carnage in E2 and E3) where I just felt there was so much unrealized potential. I'm really not the biggest Vader fan nor am I even much of a CGI fan, but this was pure SW porn to me and I was absolutely giddy as the scene unfolded: His blitzing attack, the horror and panic from the rebel soldiers, the desperation to get rid of the plans, it was just masterful.

 

I'm truly sorry that you couldn't enjoy it, because, again, as a fan of the saga for nearly 40 years now, this was one of its highest points.

 

I respect your opinion and point of view. I just see it as rewriting history. If Vader was capable of all that carnage, then why bother sending in the Stormtroopers at all on the Blockade Runner in A New Hope....Vader could have intercepted the plans much quicker himself and the entire movie could have been over in five minutes.

 

I'm not interested in seeing what should have been, I want to see what was.

 

Jim

 

It sounds like you just needed to rewatch Star Wars.

[fantastic_four]

Why does Saw just give up and not try to escape the Death Star ray's blast radius with the others?

[Artboy99]

 

An example is Saw Gerrera. Other than a small scene showing him opening the hatch to find Jin, and later some weird scene with some weird tentacles ( which I thought was awful ) his character was not shown or developed at all. His death is meaningless to me, like so many other characters in the movie. We are told he is important, I want to be shown. Lets see some film time of him training Jin, some relationship between them instead of countless blaster scenes and ships flying around.

 

 

Saw Gerrera is one of the main characters in the Clone Wars and Rebels cartoons, so no doubt his death meant a lot more to fans of those shows. I'm with you, though. As fan service, it was probably great. But as a character in this movie, he was a cipher. I think they had a bit of Marvel-itis going on, relying on the viewer's knowledge of the extended universe to paper over holes in their storytelling.

 

 

There was a section of the movie that got cut. After he rescues her from the hatch, there was an act in the movie of Saw training Jin as a young girl and moving thru her growing up that better established him as a replacement father figure in some way, but keeping himself at a distance in other ways. I think early notes were that the first part of the movie dragged too much, and they needed to get to the Rebels sooner, so they cut the big establishment section of Saw.

 

 

It is exactly what was missing for me. We saw no character development for either Saw Gerrara or Jin. It was a terrible decision to cut that.

 

I am hoping they will release the ultra extended cut that includes all the stuff that really matters.

[fantastic_four]

Wouldn't say we saw no character development for Jyn. Going from self-absorbed criminal to sacrificing herself for the rebellion to fulfill her father's legacy was quite an endearing development.

[dudeman5000]

The Vader scene at the end . . .

 

Yea, BIG time. Movie was entertaining, but that scene was just awesome. Not as exciting as when Yoda opened up his can of whoop- in Episode II, but pretty close. I wasn't expecting it.

 

I just don't get it, and another issue I have with the movie.

 

Vader should move like he did fighting Obi Wan in Star Wars. When I see the end of R1, I wanna poke my eyes out. That's not in continuity with the story at all and I take it as a big FU to me personally as the studio is saying "look what we can do now with computers, to hell with everything else you ever known"

 

Jim

Honestly, I hated the Yoda vs. Dooku battle because of the over-indulgent use of CGI, but, as someone who saw the original Star Wars as a 3-year-old and has been immersed in Star Wars ever since, I don't understand this criticism toward the Vader scene at all -- why in the world would they handcuff him by sticking to that awkward, clunky, limited fighting style? Just to stay in continuity?! The Vader in R1 was so much more fluid and mowed through the troopers with superhuman power and dexterity (the way he should)! With as complex and sophisticated as fight choreography has gotten since 1977 (as we saw with Ray Park -- one of the genuine bright spots of the prequels), why would they try to portray one of the most powerful entities in the galaxy in such a stilted, unconvincing style?

 

This scene genuinely *floored* me in a way that most Star Wars movies have so disappointingly failed to do since ROTJ. I can't even comment on most of the rest of R1 because I can't get past how visceral the impression of actually seeing Vader unleashed was: Vader as an relentless, unfeeling, brutal instrument of terror. For me, this was the saga finally living up to its potential and, for once, this jaded fan actually left the theater feeling "satisfied". There have been so many blown opportunities with villains like Maul and Fett (or even the off-camera Anakin/Vader carnage in E2 and E3) where I just felt there was so much unrealized potential. I'm really not the biggest Vader fan nor am I even much of a CGI fan, but this was pure SW porn to me and I was absolutely giddy as the scene unfolded: His blitzing attack, the horror and panic from the rebel soldiers, the desperation to get rid of the plans, it was just masterful.

 

I'm truly sorry that you couldn't enjoy it, because, again, as a fan of the saga for nearly 40 years now, this was one of its highest points.

 

I respect your opinion and point of view. I just see it as rewriting history. If Vader was capable of all that carnage, then why bother sending in the Stormtroopers at all on the Blockade Runner in A New Hope....Vader could have intercepted the plans much quicker himself and the entire movie could have been over in five minutes.

 

I'm not interested in seeing what should have been, I want to see what was.

 

Jim

 

He had just mowed through a dozen rebel troopers prior to boarding the vette in Star Wars. Maybe he was a little winded.

 

This! Plus it's a long walk from the command deck of Vader's Star Destroyer to the hanger bay and entrance point to the seized vette?

 

Voila! Suspensión de la incredulidad!!

 

P.S.-Loved the movie-going back to watch again today!

 

Chris

[fantastic_four]

It doesn't make sense for Vader to take on grunts as second in command in the Empire no matter how you analyze the situation, but I don't care. I loved seeing him mow through a crowd of people.

[Guardian Comics]

It doesn't make sense for Vader to take on grunts as second in command in the Empire no matter how you analyze the situation, but I don't care. I loved seeing him mow through a crowd of people.

 

Second in command or third?

 

I always saw him as a third behind Tarkin...I mean he had enough respect for Tarkin to release Motti when asked. Not sure if he'd do that for anybody.

 

Jim

[Artboy99]

Wouldn't say we saw no character development for Jyn. Going from self-absorbed criminal to sacrificing herself for the rebellion to fulfill her father's legacy was quite an endearing development.

 

I suppose, but then again we saw little of the relationship between Father/ Daughter. We saw a little, but not enough to elicit any empathy when he was killed.

 

[Sauce Dog]

Wouldn't say we saw no character development for Jyn. Going from self-absorbed criminal to sacrificing herself for the rebellion to fulfill her father's legacy was quite an endearing development.

 

I suppose, but then again we saw little of the relationship between Father/ Daughter. We saw a little, but not enough to elicit any empathy when he was killed.

 

I actually felt the little we saw was perfect. Jyn had as much of a relationship (or at least can remember having one) as we as viewers we given on screen. Her entire life was spent assuming there was no possibility of any relationship with her father - it was only when she (and the audience) saw the hologram did it humanize him to her and actually give her a 'tangible' goal: She COULD have a relationship with him, and she COULD see that he was a good man and not this odd empire worker she had assumed in her mind.

 

When he was killed we didn't feel bad because she lost someone special to her or that we knew well; we felt bad because she lost all chance of finally getting that connection and reclaiming a lost childhood. She lost a possible future, a good one, that she got but a momentary glimpse of in the hologram.

[Artboy99]

Wouldn't say we saw no character development for Jyn. Going from self-absorbed criminal to sacrificing herself for the rebellion to fulfill her father's legacy was quite an endearing development.

 

I suppose, but then again we saw little of the relationship between Father/ Daughter. We saw a little, but not enough to elicit any empathy when he was killed.

 

I actually felt the little we saw was perfect. Jyn had as much of a relationship (or at least can remember having one) as we as viewers we given on screen. Her entire life was spent assuming there was no possibility of any relationship with her father - it was only when she (and the audience) saw the hologram did it humanize him to her and actually give her a 'tangible' goal: She COULD have a relationship with him, and she COULD see that he was a good man and not this odd empire worker she had assumed in her mind.

 

When he was killed we didn't feel bad because she lost someone special to her or that we knew well; we felt bad because she lost all chance of finally getting that connection and reclaiming a lost childhood. She lost a possible future, a good one, that she got but a momentary glimpse of in the hologram.

 

thanks for your insight.

[fantastic_four]

Wouldn't say we saw no character development for Jyn. Going from self-absorbed criminal to sacrificing herself for the rebellion to fulfill her father's legacy was quite an endearing development.

 

I suppose, but then again we saw little of the relationship between Father/ Daughter. We saw a little, but not enough to elicit any empathy when he was killed.

 

We all know what paternal relationships are like--even if we don't have them. The fact that she was still wearing the kyber crystal pendant he gave her as an adult tells you that she still values the lost relationship.

[revat]

It doesn't make sense for Vader to take on grunts as second in command in the Empire no matter how you analyze the situation, but I don't care. I loved seeing him mow through a crowd of people.

 

Second in command or third?

 

I always saw him as a third behind Tarkin...I mean he had enough respect for Tarkin to release Motti when asked. Not sure if he'd do that for anybody.

 

Jim

 

Earned respect is not necessarily an indicator of rankings. I don't think Vader has a lot of use for chain of command either way, but likely respects Tarkin for another reason.

 

I think of Vader as more of a Vice Emperor (or Hand of the king), tasked to do whatever special projects the Emperor needs done, and/or oversee things the emperor needs done, especially when the Emperor can't or won't be there personally.

 

Tarkin seems more like a small council member or cabinet member, though maybe the highest ranking one as the Secretary of Defense/War (which is extra important when you rule through force).

 

Just like a Vice President might be technically 'closer' the presidency than a SecDef, who has more authority on specific matters might depend on the specific matter.

Edited December 21, 2016 by Revat

[fantastic_four]

Yea, the hierarchy isn't clear. Vader and Tarkin treat each other as peers from everything shown so far.

[ashsaytr]

so is it a good movie?

 

Edited December 21, 2016 by ashsaytr

[rjrjr]

Kylo Ren was a bad until he took his mask off.

 

Exactly. He lost his mojo when everyone saw that he is just another brooding youth with daddy issues. It does not help that he looks frail enough to get blown over by a light breeze.

 

I thought Kylo Ren was fantastic when I first saw him. The mask, the voice, his awesome abilities: I felt they had created an excellent Sith representation in a similar vein to Darth Vader. Then he took off his helmet and he completely lost all the mojo. It didn't help that he lost the lightsaber fight to some dude who has no training and to a girl who has little to no training. I don't care that he was shot; a Jedi that has the mastery of the force to stop multiple blaster shots has the ability to get passed such a minor injury and take care of business.

 

Minor injury? They showed how effective Chewbacca's bowcaster rifle was several times in the movie ...

[40sJohn]

so is it a good movie?

 

It's a very good movie. By all means see it in the theater.

[JiveTurkeyMoFo]

so is it a good movie?

 

It's a very good movie. By all means see it in the theater.

 

If ever they packaged Rogue One on Blueray back to back with the original cut of Star Wars, it would become such a ridiculous money maker for Disney. Would love to see a Directors Cut of RO as well.