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OFFICIAL bloodshot (2017) Movie thread Bloodshot only
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Bosco685

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33 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said:

Bosco - that headline is more factual than negative.

And that exact sentiment has been a constant reframe among the diehard Valiant folks over on Greg's ValiantFans boards since the announcement.

Just sayin' - you're imputing negative intent here when even the most supportive fans knew the spilt of Sony and Paramount posed a huge risk to any impending VCU no matter how well the individual films did.

Gatsby - that headline is coming from where - The Hollywood Stock Exchange? This may as well been from Kevin Smith's Poopshoot.com site.

Whisper Numbers: Are theaters Bloodshot or do moviegoers Still Believe?

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With the coronavirus COVID-19 declared a global pandemic, Hollywood has begun to delay upcoming major releases. Unfortunately, it’s too late to move the three new films opening this week as well as the holdovers. How big will the bloodbath be as moviegoers avoid theaters, especially in California and New York? Its Pixar pedigree is unlikely to prevent Onward [ONWRD] from falling more than 50% this weekend to about $18 million.

Lionsgate targets Christians with the musical biopic I Still Believe [ISBLV]. With its appeal mainly in the heartland, I Still Believe may be able to gather $10 million from 3250 theaters.

The Hunt [THHNT] gets snake bitten twice. Universal pulled its original September release due to a mass shooting and President Trump’s tweet. Now the R-rated thriller lands in the mist of an outbreak. Braving in 3028 theaters, The Hunt may tally $8.5 million.

Vin Diesel toplines Bloodshot [BLDSH] based on a Valiant Comics superhero. The PG-13 rated film has such poor buzz that Sony is no longer producing additional films from its universe. Bloodshot may score $8 million from 2861 theaters.

With the outbreak in its sophomore session, The Way Back [HASBN] looks to drop 55% to $4 million.

That’s the whisper on the virtual trading floor.

Sounds totally legit, right? Who is the Hollywood Stock Exchange you ask?

About HSX

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HOLLYWOOD STOCK EXCHANGE®

 

Hollywood Stock Exchange® (www.hsx.com) is the world's leading entertainment stock market. At HSX.com, visitors buy and sell virtual shares of celebrities and movies with a currency called the Hollywood Dollar®. The Company's Virtual Specialist® technology allows an unlimited number of consumers to trade thousands of virtual entertainment securities in a fair and orderly, supply-and-demand-based market. HSX syndicates the data collected from the Exchange as market research to entertainment, consumer product and financial institutions and as original content to radio, television and print media. Founded in 1996, HSX is now headquartered in Los Angeles, California.

Better get in on this baby now. The market is hot! Hot! Hot!

Do we have anything official yet that outlines Sony is done with Valiant Comics properties? We have what happened to cause the split between Harbinger and Sony, and thoughts to if it will disrupt Sony's plans.

Paramount Picks Up Comic Book Movie 'Harbinger' From Sony (Exclusive)

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With designs of building its own cinematic universe — a VCU, if one will — the company was already hitching its wagon to Sony, where it set up several of its titles, including Bloodshot. The latter is Valiant’s first produced movie and stars Vin Diesel. Sony is hoping it launches a franchise when it opens Feb. 21, 2020.

 

Harbinger was to have been the second title to go, also a potential franchise-starter, and Marvel Studios-like, was to have connected with Bloodshot for a cinematic universe, and even led to a crossover event titled Harbinger Wars after the 2013 comic book series of the same name.

 

That crossover is now unlikely to happen, nor is a VCU with those characters. With the Paramount deal, Valiant now finds itself in the situation similar to 1990s Marvel, with licensed characters at more than one studio. And it could, down the line, even find itself in a similar scenario of a Spider-Man-style divorce battle.

 

Project insiders say, however, that Bloodshot is less integral to the VCU than, say, Spider-Man, with the company focused on keeping together its core characters such as X-O Manowar, Eternal Warrior and Archer & Armstrong, whose rights it retains.

 

Sources say the initial deals with Sony were made by a set of entrepreneurs who took over Valiant in 2012, relaunching the publisher for the 21st century. Mintz, the CEO of DMG who now runs Valiant, hopes to keep most of characters together as he builds a cinematic universe. Mintz is trying to position the company as a content engine ready to find a proper partner in the current shakeup of media companies, which are looking to join the streaming wars and find their place in the new Hollywood landscape where those with known and popular intellectual property have an upper hand.

So yes, dropping yet another turd into a thread so as to maintain a negative atmosphere towards a film even before it released is never a fun time for those other than the person doing the fertilization. Unless you are one of those fertilization farmers too.

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Gatsby77

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5 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

Gatsby - that headline is coming from where - The Hollywood Stock Exchange? This may as well been from Kevin Smith's Poopshoot.com site.

Whisper Numbers: Are theaters Bloodshot or do moviegoers Still Believe?

Sounds totally legit, right? Who is the Hollywood Stock Exchange you ask?

About HSX

Better get in on this baby now. The market is hot! Hot! Hot!

Do we have anything official yet that outlines Sony is done with Valiant Comics properties? We have what happened to cause the split between Harbinger and Sony.

Paramount Picks Up Comic Book Movie 'Harbinger' From Sony (Exclusive)

So yes, dropping yet another another turd into a thread so as to maintain a negative atmosphere towards a film even before it released is never a fun time for those other than the person doing the fertilization. Unless you are one of those fertilization farmers too.

 

:roflmao:  Methinks you doth protest too much.

Occam's razor, man. This isn't rocket surgery. The biggest news items at the ValiantFans boards over the last year were:

1) Dino's departure; and

2) Paramount's acquisition of the Harbinger properties, which basically makes a Valiant Connected Universe impossible, particularly with Bloodshot being the first (and most important) movie to kickstart it. This is well-known among Valiant's most die-hard fans (one of which, believe it or not, I am).

Recall that the initial film announcement five years ago listed five initial movies -- Harbinger 1 & 2, Bloodshot 1 & 2, and Harbinger Wars, in which the properties would finally meet & collide.

That plan died with the Paramount acquisition.

And the lack-of-buzz for Bloodshot so far (even here on these boards, let alone among the general public) mean it's now less likely to get a sequel, and is not helping the cause for Paramount to invest in the three supposed Harbinger films (not counting the rumored Faith spin-off).

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Bosco685

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31 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said:

 

:roflmao:  Methinks you doth protest too much.

Occam's razor, man. This isn't rocket surgery. The biggest news items at the ValiantFans boards over the last year were:

1) Dino's departure; and

2) Paramount's acquisition of the Harbinger properties, which basically makes a Valiant Connected Universe impossible, particularly with Bloodshot being the first (and most important) movie to kickstart it. This is well-known among Valiant's most die-hard fans (one of which, believe it or not, I am).

Recall that the initial film announcement five years ago listed five initial movies -- Harbinger 1 & 2, Bloodshot 1 & 2, and Harbinger Wars, in which the properties would finally meet & collide.

That plan died with the Paramount acquisition.

And the lack-of-buzz for Bloodshot so far (even here on these boards, let alone among the general public) mean it's now less likely to get a sequel, and is not helping the cause for Paramount to invest in the three supposed Harbinger films (not counting the rumored Faith spin-off).

Protest too much? I think the some negative posts are just ugly at times. Especially when the intent is to reinforce a previous negative post. Or maybe with those people it is 'ME JUST BEING ME'. :insane:

I bet I am just as big a fan of Valiant Comics, and am very disappointed from what I am hearing how Bloodshot was handled. But is that Sony washing its hands of the entire Valiant run because of the loss of Harbinger? Right now, they need major franchises moving forward which is why Tom Rothman during The Hollywood Reporter's STUDIO CHIEF SUMMIT spent a lot of time near the end talking about win-win-win cross-studio partnerships, along with the power of movie stars to make a film successful.

Studio Chief Summit: All 7 Top Film Executives, One Room, Nothing Off-Limits (and No Easy Answers)

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Is there is any movie star that is as important as strong IP?

 

ROTHMAN Yeah, I think there are lots of movie stars. It's one of the great myths propagated out there that movie stars don't matter. I would say movie stars in the right role with the right property matter more than ever before.

 

So you would trade the Spider-Man property for every Leo DiCaprio movie for the rest of his career?

 

ROTHMAN I'd love to have both.

 

EMMERICH Who is he negotiating with?

 

ROTHMAN Well, I can tell you this. The event nature of having Leo and Brad [Pitt] and Margot [Robbie] in [Sony's] Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was essential. You had to make a great movie … but that movie was not based on any IP at all. That is a pure original. Came out of the imagination and the headspace of one individual. Because even Disney will run out of animated movies to remake. And we have to be careful not to narrow our audience, not to think that there isn't room for originality. I think there is. In the pursuit of that, movie stars are tremendously valuable.

 

EMMERICH The thing that we all sit around talking about is "theatricality." IP and movie stars are two huge ingredients. You have to have one or the other. It's even better if you have both.

 

Alan and Tom, you recently had a little dispute over Spider-Man. What was the one thing above all else that resolved that standoff over Marvel producing the next Sony installment?

 

HORN The fan base, which is important to all of us, seemed to really respond to what Tom and his folks have done before with our people. They like the fact that the Marvel Cinematic Universe and Kevin Feige were involved [in the two Spider-Man films]. We heard feedback out there that suggested that joining forces once again was probably really a good idea.

 

Will this partnership continue after the trilogy? Tom, you've shown you can do Spider-Man without Marvel on the animated film Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse.

 

ROTHMAN Yes, we have. But I agree with my distinguished colleague. This was a classic win-win-win. A win for Sony, a win for Disney, a win for the fans. The only thing I would say is that news cycles and the rhythm of negotiations do not necessarily overlap. And this is, in the words of Shakespeare, a consummation devoutly to be wished. We would have gotten there, and the news got ahead of some things.

 

HORN I agree with that.

So if Rothman has a superstar actor like Vin Diesel that through his involvement people still come back for more, you think he is going to let that go? Go back and watch Grace Randolph's Bloodshot review where she points out pretty much most films from Vin Diesel are rated low by critics, yet get attention from movie-goers (though not always box office hits) and definitely from home theater purchases.

Sony needs franchises. They figured out how to make it work with Disney and Spider-Man. If it sees value in building out the Valiant Universe, they could consider the same with Paramount. Though right now, Bloodshot certainly is no cinematic Spider-Man to build upon.

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Just got back. Theatre was empty. But ALL eight movies playing were empty. My buddy used to work there and we were chatting with the manager and she said it's been deserted since the beginning of the week. 

As for the movie, not bad, not great. Did not insult my intelligence. Some dodgy CGI but overall fresh, 6.5.

 

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12 hours ago, paperheart said:

$8.4MM estimate from Deadline, terrible. Let the excuses begin.  The only possible saving grace is that everything going forward has been  cancelled, may help extend the run a bit. 

Yeah -- I'm sure Paramount's fast-tracking Harbinger now.

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1 hour ago, Bosco685 said:

Paramount is going to bail on a film because of Sony's misstep? hm

Absolutely.

Put aside that Harbinger's been in development hell since 2013.

The studios aren't stupid. The failure of a solid Valiant superhero property with an A-list headliner and screenwriter means they won't be rushing out to greenlight associated Valiant properties. (Full disclosure: I have 7 copies of Harbinger 1.)

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6 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said:

Absolutely.

Put aside that Harbinger's been in development hell since 2013.

The studios aren't stupid. The failure of a solid Valiant superhero property with an A-list headliner and screenwriter means they won't be rushing out to greenlight associated Valiant properties. (Full disclosure: I have 7 copies of Harbinger 1.)

Paramount picked up Harbinger's rights in 2019. What does any previous history have to do with what this studio does with it? (shrug)

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5 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

Paramount picked up Harbinger's rights in 2019. What does any previous history have to do with what this studio does with it? (shrug)

Very little (hence "put aside"). But not zero.

However, Bloodshot's failure will matter a lot.

And...I was wrong above.

The first time Paramount picked up Harbinger's rights was back in *2008.* Its troubled history is known, esp. within that studio.

Bottom line: momentum matters.

Had it turned out differently, Bloodshot's being a spring blockbuster could have fast-tracked Harbinger for a spring/summer 2022 release.

Now?

Nope - just more confirmation that Valiant superheroes aren't in-demand properties.

 

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3 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said:

Very little (hence "put aside"). But not zero.

However, Bloodshot's failure will matter a lot.

And...I was wrong above.

The first time Paramount picked up Harbinger's rights was back in *2008.* Its troubled history is known, esp. within that studio.

Bottom line: momentum matters.

Had it turned out differently, Bloodshot's being a spring blockbuster could have fast-tracked Harbinger for a spring/summer 2022 release.

Now?

Nope - just more confirmation that Valiant superheroes aren't in-demand properties.

I remember when the news broke about Brett Ratner. Thank goodness his star has definitely fallen.

Brett Ratner to Direct Comic Book Adaptation Harbinger (2008)

But the holdup at the time was his film schedule (which is scary). Not the studio's lack of interest. And its coming back to the table to take the film rights back says something. Otherwise, it would have moved on.

 

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3 hours ago, Gatsby77 said:

Ugh.

That's just 2x the opening of Upgrade (2018) and 22% below the opening of Hellboy (2019).

Will be lucky to finish at $30 million domestic.

 

did better overseas

the Top 5 movies overseas this session, led by Sony’s Bloodshot ($13M), amassed $30.7M, that is down a staggering 85% from this same weekend in 2018 (sic) which included Captain Marvel and other Hollywood pics, and when China was open for business.

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I saw it yesterday. Yes, I did not participate in social distancing. But the theater did. There were a total of 10 people watching it. 

It's a fun popcorn flick. The scenes were you see the nanites healing his face were cool. Some good action scenes. A little side boob. It's exactly the kind of movie you think it will be. We were entertained. And so far COVID-19 free.

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1 hour ago, Rodey said:

I saw it yesterday. Yes, I did not participate in social distancing. But the theater did. There were a total of 10 people watching it. 

It's a fun popcorn flick. The scenes were you see the nanites healing his face were cool. Some good action scenes. A little side boob. It's exactly the kind of movie you think it will be. We were entertained. And so far COVID-19 free.

Glad you stepped out to see it! :headbang: it was a fun movie :) 

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