I need to beat the SCS horse again..my ASM #57 got wedgied.

[Ze-man]

 

I have had an early Amazing Spider-Man issue in the new CGG holder survive two international trips across the Atlantic, plus at least one cross-country trip, with ZERO damage to the book. No pulled staples whatsoever, and we're talking about early silver age Marvel paper that is about as flimsy as it comes.

 

 

Ok.. I will bite.. What issue # is it?... can we see a scan?..or link?

New label....not an early CGC slab?

 

After I specifically asked Steve about getting SA books placed in the New Modern Holder.. he flatly said.. only books post 75 would be in those holders. And NO book that was deemed valuable would be in one.. period.

Because I asked if we could request it upon submittal of our books.. which holder we wanted. And of course he rightfully did not want CGC to be responsible for SA books out there in the tapered holder, and said.. NO

 

So I am now very curious..

Did you submit it Scott?.. or buy it ?... let us see ..please?

 

 

Perhaps I was speaking with Newt.. pretending to be Steve.

 

 

Ze-

[DiceX]

As I've said before...

Better to have a corner ding than a staple pull.

I still wish they could come up with something better.

 

As soon as I see ONE book with a pulled staple caused by the old holder or PGX's new holder, I'll start to take these concerns seriously. Until then, it's a weak excuse for keeping a brutally flawed case design. No offense to you Dice, but this excuse just really gets me mad.

 

[Illiterati-migration]

And NO book that was deemed valuable would be in one.. period.

 

That's the stupidest thing I've read here in a long, long time.

 

Hold on to those books with "sentimental" value, folks. They'll be given short shrift at CGC.

[Ze-man]

..um..ok.

I give up?

 

WTF is that supposed to mean exactly?

[Illiterati-migration]

..um..ok.

I give up?

 

WTF is that supposed to mean exactly?

 

Is it that complicated? "All books are not created equal."

 

Beyond that, it seems that Borock is acknowledging that "valuable" books will be damaged in this particular holder, thus making them LESS "valuable"... and irritating the very valuable "high end" customer base.

 

Not complicated at all.

[Ze-man]

..um..ok.

I give up?

 

WTF is that supposed to mean exactly?

 

Is it that complicated? "All books are not created equal."

 

Beyond that, it seems that Borock is acknowledging that "valuable" books will be damaged in this particular holder, thus making them LESS "valuable"... and irritating the very valuable "high end" customer base.

 

Not complicated at all.

 

 

.. you dont get it do ya?

The Modern holder is really well suited for holding the cut, and makeup of a Modern Book. And therefor will not be damaged as easily as a fragile older book.

 

By not placing a BA/SA/GA book in the Modern holder I assume it means CGC has doubts if it is best suited for those types of books.

 

I think everyone knows how I feel about the CGC Hard Wall Inner well slab, but even I can understand that if CGC feels a Modern type tapered holder will do more harm then good.. then I can understand why they will not put valuable, more fragile older books such as BA/SA/and GA books in the Modern type of holder.

 

There is no conspiracy about catering to High end clients.

 

Ze-

[Illiterati-migration]

..um..ok.

I give up?

 

WTF is that supposed to mean exactly?

 

Is it that complicated? "All books are not created equal."

 

Beyond that, it seems that Borock is acknowledging that "valuable" books will be damaged in this particular holder, thus making them LESS "valuable"... and irritating the very valuable "high end" customer base.

 

Not complicated at all.

 

 

.. you dont get it do ya?

The Modern holder is really well suited for holding the cut, and makeup of a Modern Book. And therefor will not be damaged as easily as a fragile older book.

 

By not placing a BA/SA/GA book in the Modern holder I assume it means CGC has doubts if it is best suited for those types of books.

 

I think everyone knows how I feel about the CGC Hard Wall Inner well slab, but even I can understand that if CGC feels a Modern type tapered holder will do more harm then good.. and I can understand why they will not put valuable, more fragile books such as BA/SA/and GA books in the Modern holder.

 

There is no conspiracy about catering to High end clients.

 

Ze-

 

They were "your" words, bud. Like I said, in CGC's eyes, all books are not created equal. Personally, I would want all the books I submit to get the same treatment...

[fantastic_four]

.. you dont get it do ya?

 

Maybe he does...and maybe he doesn't! Either way, he'll fight you if you disagree with him and join into his combatativeness.

[Illiterati-migration]

.. you dont get it do ya?

 

Maybe he does...and maybe he doesn't! Either way, he'll fight you if you disagree with him and join into his combatativeness.

 

Is that so, Ashley?

 

Bitter waters run deep.

[Ze-man]

Personally, I would want all the books I submit to get the same treatment...

 

I assume you do not mean for them to cram in a BA Batman 100 pager into the same type of holder a Modern USM would go in?

But to treat each book as is best for each book?

 

Is that not what they are doing now?.. fitting a book as best they can to the holder best suited for it?

 

Keep talking MK.. ya aint said anything to convince me.

 

 

Ze-

[DiceX]

WARNING

 

This new scam is being pulled mainly on older men.

 

What happens is that when you stop for a red-light a young, nude woman comes up and pretends to be washing your windshield.

 

While she is doing this another person opens your back door and steals anything in the car.

 

They are very good at this.

 

They got me 7 times Friday and 5 times Saturday.

 

I wasn't able to find them on Sunday.

[Illiterati-migration]

Personally, I would want all the books I submit to get the same treatment...

 

I assume you do not mean for them to cram in a BA Batman 100 pager into the same type of holder a Modern USM would go in?

But to treat each book as is best for each book?

 

Is that not what they are doing now?.. fitting a book as best they can to the holder best suited for it?

 

Keep talking MK.. ya aint said anything to convince me.

 

 

Ze-

 

Ze, you said that "valuable" books, according to Borock, were getting certain holders, while (apparently) "less valuable" books weren't... and vice versa.

 

How can this be so complicated for you? There's been no mention of the SIZE of books thus far... just their "value". In my eyes, treating books according to their VALUE is not giving ALL books a fair shake. I wouldn't want my LOSH 300s placed in inferior holders simply because they have a lower "value" than other books.

 

But, as I've said before, all books (apparently) are not created equal. And believe me, I have better things to do than to try to convince you of anything.

[Illiterati-migration]

WARNING

 

This new scam is being pulled mainly on older men.

 

What happens is that when you stop for a red-light a young, nude woman comes up and pretends to be washing your windshield.

 

While she is doing this another person opens your back door and steals anything in the car.

 

They are very good at this.

 

They got me 7 times Friday and 5 times Saturday.

 

I wasn't able to find them on Sunday.

 

[DiceX]

Hey, MK.

Have you seen THIS?

[Illiterati-migration]

Hey, MK.

Have you seen THIS?

 

SEEN it?? Hell, that was me, Ashley, and Greggy last weekend! (Greggy was the tubby person_who_is_obnoxiously_self-impressed with the gimpy nose.)

[DiceX]

Hey, MK.

Have you seen THIS?

 

SEEN it?? Hell, that was me, Ashley, and Greggy last weekend! (Greggy was the tubby person_who_is_obnoxiously_self-impressed with the gimpy nose.)

 

[Ze-man]

Ze, you said that "valuable" books, according to Borock, were getting certain holders, while (apparently) "less valuable" books weren't... and vice versa.

 

How can this be so complicated for you? There's been no mention of the SIZE of books thus far... just their "value". In my eyes, treating books according to their VALUE is not giving ALL books a fair shake. I wouldn't want my LOSH 300s placed in inferior holders simply because they have a lower "value" than other books.

 

But, as I've said before, all books (apparently) are not created equal. And believe me, I have better things to do than to try to convince you of anything.

 

 

MK.. are you THAT hard up for a fight now?

All it would have taken was for you to ask me to clarify exactly what I meant when I said "valuable", or expound upon what Steve said to me pertaining to that word.

But instead you choose to just see that one word.. jump on it and run with it in your typical fashion.

Did you see any quotes in my post?.. nope I was just paraphrasing.

My bad.. sorry.

 

If you go back , you will see that I used the term Valuable in direct response to FFB' saying he had an early SA ASM book in a new holder... So that prompted me to relate that I had just called Steve, I asked him about putting SA books in the new holder..and was told only books after 1975 would go in those holders. Due to the nature of older books.

When I used the term valuable in my reply to FFB, it was still in relation to what Steve said to me about why they would not put older SA books in the new holder.

And as best as I can recall.. here is what Steve said when I asked him that question, and why I could not request CGC to slab my SA books in the new holder, even if I asked them to. " Because of the delicate physical nature of of the SA book, and the value people place upon them in todays market,CGC does not want to be responsible for a fragile, valuable book being in the Modern holder when we feel it is detrimental to that era of book, even if certain people want their SA comics slabbed in the new holder, we still will not do it."

 

Or something to that effect..

It was just a conversation.. not a press release.

 

So yes , I could have explained myself better in the reply I made to Scott... when I asked him about the SA ASM book he said he had in a new CGC holder.

My bad.. I can now see how it might be misunderstood.

 

But MK only you would take what I said, and run with it ..without even asking me to clarify exactly what I meant, instead you bend it to your bizarre take on whatever it is you think is going on...... just itching to go off..

 

Alot of people keep telling me you are just a kid, and to not worry about anything you say.. I am starting to think they are right.

 

 

EDIT.. And why would you think one holder is more inferior then the other..? One is just better suited to handle certain comics better then the other.

Have you actually called CGC to ask if your LOSH 300 would be put in a Modern taper, or blunt wall slab?

Or would you rather just wonder about it, and assume the worst ?

 

Ze-

[burntboy]

Ze, you said that "valuable" books, according to Borock, were getting certain holders, while (apparently) "less valuable" books weren't... and vice versa.

 

How can this be so complicated for you? There's been no mention of the SIZE of books thus far... just their "value". In my eyes, treating books according to their VALUE is not giving ALL books a fair shake. I wouldn't want my LOSH 300s placed in inferior holders simply because they have a lower "value" than other books.

 

But, as I've said before, all books (apparently) are not created equal. And believe me, I have better things to do than to try to convince you of anything.

 

 

MK.. are you THAT hard up for a fight now?

All it would have taken was for you to ask me to clarify exactly what I meant when I said "valuable", or expound upon what Steve said to me pertaining to that word.

But instead you choose to just see that one word.. jump on it and run with it in your typical fashion.

Did you see any quotes in my post?.. nope I was just paraphrasing.

My bad.. sorry.

 

If you go back , you will see that I used the term Valuable in direct response to FFB' saying he had an early SA ASM book in a new holder... So that prompted me to relate that I had just called Steve, I asked him about putting SA books in the new holder..and was told only books after 1975 would go in those holders. Due to the nature of older books.

When I used the term valuable in my reply to FFB, it was still in relation to what Steve said to me about why they would not put older SA books in the new holder.

And as best as I can recall.. here is what Steve said when I asked him that question, and why I could not request CGC to slab my SA books in the new holder, even if I asked them to. " Because of the delicate physical nature of of the SA book, and the value people place upon them in todays market,CGC does not want to be responsible for a fragile, valuable book being in the Modern holder when we feel it is detrimental to that era of book, even if certain people want their SA comics slabbed in the new holder, we still will not do it."

 

Or something to that effect..

It was just a conversation.. not a press release.

 

So yes , I could have explained myself better in the reply I made to Scott... when I asked him about the SA ASM book he said he had in a new CGC holder.

My bad.. I can now see how it might be misunderstood.

 

But MK only you would take what I said, and run with it ..without even asking me to clarify exactly what I meant, instead you bend it to your bizarre take on whatever it is you think is going on...... just itching to go off..

 

Alot of people keep telling me you are just a kid, and to not worry about anything you say.. I am starting to think they are right.

 

 

EDIT.. And why would you think one holder is more inferior then the other..? One is just better suited to handle certain comics better then the other.

Have you actually called CGC to ask if your LOSH 300 would be put in a Modern taper, or blunt wall slab?

Or would you rather just wonder about it, and assume the worst ?

 

Ze-

 

Kenny, FFB said the Spidey was in a CGG holder.............

[Illiterati-migration]

Ze, you said that "valuable" books, according to Borock, were getting certain holders, while (apparently) "less valuable" books weren't... and vice versa.

 

How can this be so complicated for you? There's been no mention of the SIZE of books thus far... just their "value". In my eyes, treating books according to their VALUE is not giving ALL books a fair shake. I wouldn't want my LOSH 300s placed in inferior holders simply because they have a lower "value" than other books.

 

But, as I've said before, all books (apparently) are not created equal. And believe me, I have better things to do than to try to convince you of anything.

 

 

MK.. are you THAT hard up for a fight now?

All it would have taken was for you to ask me to clarify exactly what I meant when I said "valuable", or expound upon what Steve said to me pertaining to that word.

But instead you choose to just see that one word.. jump on it and run with it in your typical fashion.

Did you see any quotes in my post?.. nope I was just paraphrasing.

My bad.. sorry.

 

If you go back , you will see that I used the term Valuable in direct response to FFB' saying he had an early SA ASM book in a new holder... So that prompted me to relate that I had just called Steve, I asked him about putting SA books in the new holder..and was told only books after 1975 would go in those holders. Due to the nature of older books.

When I used the term valuable in my reply to FFB, it was still in relation to what Steve said to me about why they would not put older SA books in the new holder.

And as best as I can recall.. here is what Steve said when I asked him that question, and why I could not request CGC to slab my SA books in the new holder, even if I asked them to. " Because of the delicate physical nature of of the SA book, and the value people place upon them in todays market,CGC does not want to be responsible for a fragile, valuable book being in the Modern holder when we feel it is detrimental to that era of book, even if certain people want their SA comics slabbed in the new holder, we still will not do it."

 

Or something to that effect..

It was just a conversation.. not a press release.

 

So yes , I could have explained myself better in the reply I made to Scott... when I asked him about the SA ASM book he said he had in a new CGC holder.

My bad.. I can now see how it might be misunderstood.

 

But MK only you would take what I said, and run with it ..without even asking me to clarify exactly what I meant, instead you bend it to your bizarre take on whatever it is you think is going on...... just itching to go off..

 

Alot of people keep telling me you are just a kid, and to not worry about anything you say.. I am starting to think they are right.

 

 

EDIT.. And why would you think one holder is more inferior then the other..? One is just better suited to handle certain comics better then the other.

Have you actually called CGC to ask if your LOSH 300 would be put in a Modern taper, or blunt wall slab?

Or would you rather just wonder about it, and assume the worst ?

 

Ze-

 

My response to your original post was:

 

That's the stupidest thing I've read here in a long, long time.

 

Hold on to those books with "sentimental" value, folks. They'll be given short shrift at CGC.

 

Does that look like I was just "spoilin'" for a fight? I think you should go back, review the conversation, and see who has been the combative one. Your preconceived notions about me and my supposed "motivations" are clouding your perceptions of reality.

 

Are you afraid of me? Is that why you flew off the handle? Is that why you IMMEDIATELY jumped on the defensive? Am I so terrifying?

[goldust40]

Ze, you said that "valuable" books, according to Borock, were getting certain holders, while (apparently) "less valuable" books weren't... and vice versa.

 

How can this be so complicated for you? There's been no mention of the SIZE of books thus far... just their "value". In my eyes, treating books according to their VALUE is not giving ALL books a fair shake. I wouldn't want my LOSH 300s placed in inferior holders simply because they have a lower "value" than other books.

 

But, as I've said before, all books (apparently) are not created equal. And believe me, I have better things to do than to try to convince you of anything.

 

 

MK.. are you THAT hard up for a fight now?

All it would have taken was for you to ask me to clarify exactly what I meant when I said "valuable", or expound upon what Steve said to me pertaining to that word.

But instead you choose to just see that one word.. jump on it and run with it in your typical fashion.

Did you see any quotes in my post?.. nope I was just paraphrasing.

My bad.. sorry.

 

If you go back , you will see that I used the term Valuable in direct response to FFB' saying he had an early SA ASM book in a new holder... So that prompted me to relate that I had just called Steve, I asked him about putting SA books in the new holder..and was told only books after 1975 would go in those holders. Due to the nature of older books.

When I used the term valuable in my reply to FFB, it was still in relation to what Steve said to me about why they would not put older SA books in the new holder.

And as best as I can recall.. here is what Steve said when I asked him that question, and why I could not request CGC to slab my SA books in the new holder, even if I asked them to. " Because of the delicate physical nature of of the SA book, and the value people place upon them in todays market,CGC does not want to be responsible for a fragile, valuable book being in the Modern holder when we feel it is detrimental to that era of book, even if certain people want their SA comics slabbed in the new holder, we still will not do it."

 

Or something to that effect..

It was just a conversation.. not a press release.

 

So yes , I could have explained myself better in the reply I made to Scott... when I asked him about the SA ASM book he said he had in a new CGC holder.

My bad.. I can now see how it might be misunderstood.

 

But MK only you would take what I said, and run with it ..without even asking me to clarify exactly what I meant, instead you bend it to your bizarre take on whatever it is you think is going on...... just itching to go off..

 

Alot of people keep telling me you are just a kid, and to not worry about anything you say.. I am starting to think they are right.

 

 

EDIT.. And why would you think one holder is more inferior then the other..? One is just better suited to handle certain comics better then the other.

Have you actually called CGC to ask if your LOSH 300 would be put in a Modern taper, or blunt wall slab?

Or would you rather just wonder about it, and assume the worst ?

 

Ze-

 

My response to your original post was:

 

That's the stupidest thing I've read here in a long, long time.

 

Hold on to those books with "sentimental" value, folks. They'll be given short shrift at CGC.

 

Does that look like I was just "spoilin'" for a fight? I think you should go back, review the conversation, and see who has been the combative one. Your preconceived notions about me and my supposed "motivations" are clouding your perceptions of reality.

 

Are you afraid of me? Is that why you flew off the handle? Is that why you IMMEDIATELY jumped on the defensive? Am I so terrifying?

 

Yes. Your Bette Davis impression would frighten the life out of anyone.