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IRON FIST on Netflix
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11 minutes ago, piper said:

What's the consensus on the female costar with respect to her martial art skills? 

A very valid good question.  We all know Rosario Dawson is a master of martial arts. :bigsmile:

Which goes back to the bias of Finn Jones with the critics.

Some say he didn't  fit the part of the martial arts expert body type wise. He failed to live up to expectations of someone mastering martial art skills.

With the females they probably get a pass with the critics unlike Finn Jones because the mentality is those females are considered hot looking and they meet critics expectations as to what a female martial artist should look like.

Shallow thought process,but probably some truth to it. :p

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I admit Jessica Henwick is attractive. I know very little about martial arts but it's clear she trained extensively for the role. In fact, I believe she was in Game of Thrones in a fighting type role...

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Just watched episodes 2 to 4 so far. Was unable to download Iron Fist episode 1 as too many users trying to stream it in sequence. Jessica Henwick good in her fist fights and dojo/ katana scenes so far. Not sure if I want to stream all 13 episodes. May switch to Luke Cage season 1 or DD season 2 which I have not watched yet. Lots to watch as Supergirl and Flash will have their sing along episodes and the casts have decent voices. :bigsmile:

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I finished the series up over the weekend.  My observations:

1.   Finn Jones was a bad choice for Iron Fist.  Doesn't have the build for Danny Rand or the demeanor.  I know this will receive some ridicule, but I wonder greatly if Charlie Hunnam could have made this role work.  Ryan Phillipe perhaps as well.  I don't find Finn Jones believable at all.  And remarkably, at times, I found his acting to be pretty wooden.

2.  Lack of a convincing villain.  It's a variety of interchangeable Hand guys, (Including the "good" Hand guys...) Madame Gao and his Dad's old partner.   None of them had the spark of the Kingpin, the Punisher, the Purple Man or even Cottonmouth.  This was a major detractor for me.  

3.  The fight choreography is definitely not on the same level as Daredevil.  It's not even in the same ballpark.  And I don't even want to discuss the horrible "car leaping" scene that literally made me bust out laughing.  

4.  Colleen Wing was okay.

5.  Stop putting Rosario Dawson in everything.  She's interesting as a "field medic" or love interest.  Not nearly as interesting as a fighting sidekick against the Hand.  (Really?!?!?)  

6.  We needed more Kun Lun.  I think Danny's motivations and choices aren't clear without really revealing his background and subsequent "betrayal" of his adopted family.  He's REALLY left the monks in the lurch by gaining the power of the Iron Fist and then abandoning his post.  

Overall, weakest of the Netflix "cape" shows for me.  I rank them as DD1, DD2, Luke Cage, Jessica and Iron Fist.   Still better than 80% of what is on network TV, but not sure it has the gravitas to pull me in again.  Hope Defenders is much better.

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23 hours ago, piper said:

I admit Jessica Henwick is attractive. I know very little about martial arts but it's clear she trained extensively for the role. In fact, I believe she was in Game of Thrones in a fighting type role...

I just added a post about Jessica over at my page in MoviePilot.com

https://creators.co/@Filmigos/4228641

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On 3/21/2017 at 9:33 AM, fantastic_four said:

Tell the primal portions of your female brain that yes, he's 5' 9", but Chackie Chan is 5' 8", Statham is 5' 9", Bruce Lee was 5' 7", Ray Park is 5' 9", and Jet Li is 5' 6, so the idea that Finn Jones is tougher because he's 6 feet is purely a myth.  :gossip:

I don't care how tall he is, I loved his movies. Height isn't a big deal to me personally, it's just a matter of filming next to tall women, that was what I was thinking about.

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On 3/21/2017 at 9:43 AM, ComicConnoisseur said:

Stallone is 5"7" and Tom Cruise is 5 "8" that is the magic of Hollywood. :smile:

Did Chuck Norris do good at the casino? I don't know how you resisted not talking to him. I would have tried to shake his hand. I am a big Chuck Norris fan. 

I was too shy at the time, I'm probably not now. I have no idea how he did, but he must have been there for a while. This was Atlantic City, years ago. 

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On ‎3‎/‎21‎/‎2017 at 10:09 AM, ChasingKingKirby said:

I finished the series up over the weekend.  My observations:

1.   Finn Jones was a bad choice for Iron Fist.  Doesn't have the build for Danny Rand or the demeanor.  I know this will receive some ridicule, but I wonder greatly if Charlie Hunnam could have made this role work.  Ryan Phillipe perhaps as well.  I don't find Finn Jones believable at all.  And remarkably, at times, I found his acting to be pretty wooden.

2.  Lack of a convincing villain.  It's a variety of interchangeable Hand guys, (Including the "good" Hand guys...) Madame Gao and his Dad's old partner.   None of them had the spark of the Kingpin, the Punisher, the Purple Man or even Cottonmouth.  This was a major detractor for me.  

3.  The fight choreography is definitely not on the same level as Daredevil.  It's not even in the same ballpark.  And I don't even want to discuss the horrible "car leaping" scene that literally made me bust out laughing.  

4.  Colleen Wing was okay.

5.  Stop putting Rosario Dawson in everything.  She's interesting as a "field medic" or love interest.  Not nearly as interesting as a fighting sidekick against the Hand.  (Really?!?!?)  

6.  We needed more Kun Lun.  I think Danny's motivations and choices aren't clear without really revealing his background and subsequent "betrayal" of his adopted family.  He's REALLY left the monks in the lurch by gaining the power of the Iron Fist and then abandoning his post.  

Overall, weakest of the Netflix "cape" shows for me.  I rank them as DD1, DD2, Luke Cage, Jessica and Iron Fist.   Still better than 80% of what is on network TV, but not sure it has the gravitas to pull me in again.  Hope Defenders is much better.

I agree with all of this.  Iron Fist had the coolest potential flashbacks in theory of all the Netflix shows, but they gave him the least and the weakest ones. 

I do think the casting of Finn Jones was the right 'look' in terms of height/weight/hair/face for the role, but his acting didn't give the 'feel' I hope for and expected, and he very obviously didn't have the believable fighting ability that characters like Charlie Cox had, which I think was a major weakness for the Iron Fist show.  It needed to either be more 'kung fu' or more 'gritty' like daredevil.

I will say this though.  When I first thought about the show, I thought that they shouldn't make the iron fist an Asian dude, because the point is about being an outsider in Kun Lun and an outsider in NYC, just in general being an outsider.  But after watching this show, I feel like fighting skills and the right 'attitude' would have been more important to the role than the race, they could have done most of it the same with any race actor, especially since its a more modern story. 

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30 minutes ago, skypinkblu said:

I was too shy at the time, I'm probably not now. I have no idea how he did, but he must have been there for a while. This was Atlantic City, years ago. 

Atlantic City is cool. I haven not been there in awhile. I usually head up to Mohegan Suns or Foxwood Casinos in Connecticut.

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I finished the series and the stand out for me was poor writing.  I'd compare the whole season 1 of Iron Fist with the last episode of Luke Cage, which is to say, it was very disappointing.  Acting overall was 'ok'.  Danny Rand/Iron Fist didn't seem like the character I remember from the comic book at all.  The fight scenes didn't compare well to Daredevil, and they really needed to shine to salvage the show from its bad writing.  If you are undecided if you want to watch it or not, don't bother, at least not this season. 

Lets hope the writers do a lot better with Defenders.  Another stinker like this and I'm going to drop netflix I think.  I could watch bad scripts on regular tv, if that's what I wanted to do.

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I thought the first couple episodes were good, I liked how when he came back to NYC, it took him a while to get back into the company and gain of the trust of say JOy and Colleen. 

I have to agree the fight scenes did not compare to daredevil at all, and they were few and far apart. 

 

I have to say it had had a lot going on and I think the writing team spent to long on certain / boring / not important parts. 

 

It could have have been better 

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On 3/21/2017 at 8:57 AM, fantastic_four said:

I didn't know she was playing Barbie, but I know Amy Schumer so it seems clear that defying the expectations you're referring to would have been the very first reason she agreed to the role and the most likely reason they cast her to begin with.

Not to delve too much into this but Amy Schumer dropped out of playing Barbie today.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/24/movies/amy-schumer-drops-out-of-barbie-movie/

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