HELP to identify and estimate original art from the 70's

[allard]

hi

 

i'm a big comic art collector, but as i'm young, i know very well modern art, but am not used to old art

 

a collector is proposing me some pages, but i don't know if the price he's asking is reasonnable or not

 

so if anyone can help me, i'd like to know the value of the following pages, and for the hoberg batman cover, if anyone knows where it was published , that would help (i know i saw it somewhere, maybe a fanzine cover, but i don't remeber as it's been some time now)

 

here are the links to the pages :

 

- http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1265433&GSub=170552

- http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1265430&GSub=170552

- http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1265432&GSub=170552

 

thanks

[Terry Doyle]

Not mainstream published comic-covers, far as I can tell,so don't expect to be asked top dollar.

 

Maybe if you could list the prices you've been quoted, collectors on these forums could chime-in with an opinion?

[Shemp]

The first time I recall seeing the Hoberg for sale was from Tom Fleming of fanfare. It was labeled as a commission. The" cover" label didn't appear until it passed between collectors. I've never found where it was published.

 

I believe but I am not sure the Justice League pinup is a recreation by Giordano.

 

My advice, do more research.

[alxjhnsn]

FWIW, here's my standard lecture on pricing OA. Hope it helps.

 

Spoiler tags to shorten the screen for those not interested in my oft repeated advice.

 

Best,

 

Alex

 

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You might want to explore the following resources:

• The OA auction archive at Heritage Auctions - This archive presents the results from all of their OA auctions.. Once you sign-up and get an id, you can search for pieces by your artist and see what they have sold for.
  
• The CAF Market Data - More auction results (more than 1,000,000) are available if you join the Comic Art Fans site, pay for Market Data access, and access eBay and other auction sites as well as Heritage.
  
• The Comic Art Database. It contains transaction records entered by the owners of Comic OA.
• Dealer sites. Dealers, generally, post their art with fixed prices though there are exceptions. There is a list of dealers on CGC OA board and the Dragonberry site has a list as well. The CAF site will search the inventories of several dealers for you.
  
• Blouin Art Info which tracks sales at major art auctions. It can turn up some Comic OA as well. Look for the “Art Prices” item on the top right of the screen
  
• Jerry Weist's Comic Art Price Guide - Heritage published a third edition of it. In my opinion, it's a good history book and might be useful for comparison work, but it was out of date a year before it was printed.
  
• A topic on these CGC OA boards, A-level panel page valuations by artist/run - thoughts/additions/changes?, holds a discussion that relates to your question. It provides some "generally agreed upon" ranges for popular runs by popular artists on popular characters.
• The Biggest OA Prices thread tracked some of the largest sales in the OA space. While that particular thread has stopped; it's probably worth reading for the discussions. Meanwhile , the information is still being updated - just with a different mechanism.
  • The price information moved to The OA Elite blog. Click on the categories on the top of the page to see the updated list.
  • The discussion moved to Biggest OA Prices: The Blog

New buyers and sellers often find that OA is too hard to price. I agree. However, I think that there is a valid reason. Each piece is unique. Uniqueness make art sales generally and OA specifically non-linear.

 

For example,

• Consecutive pages could and do sell for radically different amounts.
  
• Take page layout - In general, you might say:
  Covers > 1st Page Splash > Other Splash > 1/2 splash > panel pages
  However, that's not always true either. The right panel page can be much more compelling than a bland splash.
  
• Take pencillers- There are "A-list" artists, but not all of their books/characters have the same value. Kirby FF pages generally go for more than JIM/Thor pages which go for more than Cap pages (2nd run) which go for more than ...
  
• Take combinations of pencilers/inkers - Kirby/Sinnott FF pages rank above Kirby and anyone else on FF, but a Kirby/X FF page might be more or less than a Kirby/Stone Thor page. Hard to tell.

 

Finally, you should join the comic book OA community. The three main points of Internet contact are:

• Yahoo's comicart-l mailing list
  
• The Comic Art Fans website
  
• The CGC OA Board

 

The main points of physical contact are probably:

• San Diego Comic Con
  
• New York City Comic Con
  
• Comic Art Con
  
• Heroes Comic Con

 

One last comment, if you are looking to buy or sell, spend the time to learn the market. That might take 6 months, but it's worth the time.

 

 

[desertdogg2006]

the hoberg. looks to me like a pin-up for a fanzine. it not a dc cover. the Garcia .& Giordano could be calendar piece. the JLA piece. looks like something done for commercial products. not a cover at all to me.

 

 

larry.

[Unca Ben]

the hoberg. looks to me like a pin-up for a fanzine. it not a dc cover. the Garcia .& Giordano could be calendar piece. the JLA piece. looks like something done for commercial products. not a cover at all to me.

 

larry.

 

You could sell it to a certain pair of dealers and watch as it becomes a cover !

[Dave Aikins]

The Justice League group shot was originally done by Garcia Lopez and Giordano for the DC 1982 style guide. HOWEVER- you have a recreation of it done by Giordano- probably as a commission in the 90's/2000s. The inks DO NOT match up with the original version.

 

If it were original, it would be worth a good deal of money, but as a recreation- I have no idea. It is the difference between being worth thousands and hundreds.

 

But PLEASE don't be fooled into thinking it's the original version of it. Also, there is no Garcia Lopez pencils on that piece. It was light boxed and recreated by Giordano. So make sure you realize that while the original was drawn by Garcia Lopez, he never touched this one.

 

As a recreation by Giordano, it is very cool!

[IngelsFan]

That Hoberg is not a cover; looks like a convention level piece or private commission maybe. At that time in his career he was inking for Marvel but I don't know of any work that he did like this that was all him. Maybe RBCC if published at all.

[macrab2]

The Hoberg is a commission done for Todd Reis. It was printed in issue #78 of Comics Interview (on page 45). Great article about Todd and his 3-D sculptures.