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Top 50 Copper Books in Overstreet
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So apologies off the top for putting this in a new thread... this is a continuation of a discussion from last year, but for the life of me, I can't find that thread.

 

Some of you may recall that I was looking to "crowdsource" a list of the Top Copper Age keys for the Overstreet Price Guide... Due to a technology glitch, this didn't appear in Overstreet #45 in the spring, but it was included in the 2015 Overstreet Yearbook, which went on sale in comic shops last week. Here's the material as it appeared there...

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In past market reports, I have provided a list of what I saw as the top 40 key books for collectors of the Copper Age. However, I’ve always been a fan of “crowd sourcing” – the idea that online technologies allow us to bring large groups together to work on common issues. So this year, I went to the CGC Boards, where one of the most active communities of Copper Age collectors gathers, and asked for their input. Now, anytime you ask 10 collectors for their opinion, you’ll get 11 responses, so the final list is a result of my “editorial control” – but I think it represents a pretty good overview of what the Top 50 Copper Age keys are. To get this list, the discussion limited itself to the 1982-1992 timeframe:

 

Albedo #2

• Amazing Spider-Man #238, #252, #298, #300, #361

• Archie’s Girls Betty and Veronica #320

• Batman #357, #404, #428

• Batman: The Dark Knight Returns #1

• Batman: The Killing Joke

• Bone #1

• Caliber Presents #1

• Comico Primer #2

• Crisis in Infinite Earths #1

• The Crow #1

• Daredevil #181

• DC Comics Presents #47

• Evil Ernie #1

• G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero #1

• Harbinger #1

• Incredible Hulk #271, #340

• Iron Man #282

• Marvel Graphic Novel #4

• Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #8

• Miracleman #15

• New Mutants #87, #98

• Sandman #1, #8

• Spectacular Spider-Man #64

• Superman #75

• Swamp Thing #21, #37

• Starslayer #2

• Tales of the New Teen Titans #44

• Thor #337

• Transformers #1

• Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1

• Uncanny X-men #221, #248, #266

• Vampirella #113

• Warrior (UK Magazine) #1

• Watchmen #1

• Wolverine (limited series) #1

• X-Factor #6, #24

Virtually all of these books took substantial price jumps over the past year. If this list is of interest – and it should be, given that so much of the current market is driven by the search for “keys” – I’ll try to do this crowd sourcing bit again in future reports. Special thanks this year to all the CGC boardies who took part in the discussion, and a special shout out to Ryan Leskiw (aka “kimik”) who not only helped out with the discussion, but shared some great sales data as well.

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Thanks to all who helped with this - but it will soon be time to update information for the 2016 Overstreet Guide (and it will be in the main Guide this time!).

 

So, what changes would you make from last year's list? What books have become more important over the past year? What books would you bump to make way for them?

 

As always, I'll try my best to build the final list around your thoughts and ideas!

 

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What is the Overstreet dollar amount for whichever book is lowest from this list?

It would be helpful to know if we're looking for other candidates. (thumbs u

 

Notes:

 

Is the Sandman #8 Berger Editorial Variant a separate listing that needs to be added?

 

Where is Gobbledygook?

 

It's Crisis on Infinite Earths (not "in")

 

This is great work. :applause:

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A lot of these are still listed at low prices in Overstreet...

 

Last year, we wrestled with what we meant by "key" books... We're not necessarily looking for the priciest books, but some combination of influence, collector interest, or notability/notoriety...

 

For Valiant books, Harbinger #1 appeared as the "symbolic" kick-off of a successful line independent of the Gold Key characters. It didn't hurt that it's a book with some value, and that the characters continue to be published 25 years later. Given this past year's increased interest in Valiant books, though, there's no reason there couldn't be more of them here...

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Gotcha... not sure that Overstreet is the right venue to talk about a "Top Books" list based on "influence, collector interest, or notability/notoriety" since it's the price guide and it's so well-known for having Top 100 Golden Age, Top Silver Age, etc., ordered strictly by the prices listed in the guide. hm

 

 

 

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It doesn't appear that the list includes variant/special versions (Valiantman already noted the Sandman #8 editorial version).

 

If you're looking to include those, Miracleman #1 "Gold" & "Blue" should make the cut.

 

Don't have a guide handy, but I always thought GI Joe #21 was the most expensive Joe book. (shrug) I don't follow the title though, so I don't really know.

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Gotcha... not sure that Overstreet is the right venue to talk about a "Top Books" list based on "influence, collector interest, or notability/notoriety" since it's the price guide and it's so well-known for having Top 100 Golden Age, Top Silver Age, etc., ordered strictly by the prices listed in the guide. hm

 

 

 

Agreed. I'd guess that about 20 of the books in the 'influential' list would be a Top 50 Copper Overstreet book (based on their raw 9.2 prices). A little higher if you include the variants (for example, TMNT #1 1st, 2nd and 3rd prints are all ranked in the top 14 copper books per Overstreet standards). Sadly, Overstreet does not even track their top books all that closely.

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Gotcha... not sure that Overstreet is the right venue to talk about a "Top Books" list based on "influence, collector interest, or notability/notoriety" since it's the price guide and it's so well-known for having Top 100 Golden Age, Top Silver Age, etc., ordered strictly by the prices listed in the guide. hm

 

 

 

Agreed. I'd guess that about 20 of the books in the 'influential' list would be a Top 50 Copper Overstreet book (based on their raw 9.2 prices). A little higher if you include the variants (for example, TMNT #1 1st, 2nd and 3rd prints are all ranked in the top 14 copper books per Overstreet standards). Sadly, Overstreet does not even track their top books all that closely.

 

That's why I'm trying to open this up... let's change the way they look at this, at least for Copper books...

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Here's a list of about 120 books compiled from the CGC Census which represents the "top submissions" for each publisher.

 

There are lots of reasons to submit to CGC, including value, influence, collector interest, notability/notoriety, so this might be helpful to the discussion.

 

Top Submissions 1982-1992 By Publisher (alphabetical)

Aardvark-Vanaheim: Flaming Carrot 1

Aircel Comics: Men in Black 1

Archie Publications: Archie's Girls, Betty and Veronica 320

Archie Publications: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Adventures (1988) 1

Archie Publications: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Adventures (1989) 1

Blackthorne: Sheena 3-D Special 1

Caliber Press: Caliber Presents 1

Caliber Press: The Crow 1

Caliber Press: The Crow 2

Caliber Press: The Crow 4

Cartoon Books: Bone 1

Cartoon Books: Bone 2

CFD Publications: Cry For Dawn 1

CFD Publications: Cry For Dawn 3

CFD Publications: Cry For Dawn 4

Comico: Grendel 1

Comico: Grendel 2

Comico: Grendel 3

Comico: Macross 1

Comico: Primer 2

D.C. Comics: Batman 404

D.C. Comics: Batman 428

D.C. Comics: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns 1

D.C. Comics: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns 2

D.C. Comics: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns 3

D.C. Comics: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns 4

D.C. Comics: Batman: The Killing Joke nn

D.C. Comics: Crisis on Infinite Earths 1

D.C. Comics: Crisis on Infinite Earths 7

D.C. Comics: Crisis on Infinite Earths 8

D.C. Comics: Legends 3

D.C. Comics: Omega Men 3

D.C. Comics: Saga of the Swamp Thing 37

D.C. Comics: Superman: The Man of Steel 18

D.C. Comics: Tales of the Teen Titans 44

D.C. Comics: Watchmen 1

D.C. Comics: Watchmen 2

D.C./Vertigo Comics: Sandman 1

D.C./Vertigo Comics: Sandman 8

D.C.-Marvel: Marvel & DC Present Featuring X-Men & Teen Titans

Dark Horse Comics: Star Wars: Dark Empire 1

Eagle Comics: Judge Dredd 1

Eclipse: Miracleman 1

Eclipse: Miracleman 15

Fantagraphics Books: Usagi Yojimbo 1

First Comics: American Flagg 1

First Comics: Jon Sable, Freelance 1

First Comics: Lone Wolf & Cub 1

Gladstone: Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge 219

Image Comics: Spawn 1

Innovation: Vampire Lestat 5

Kitchen Sink Press: Death Rattle 8

Last Gasp: Cherry Poptart 1

Malibu Comics: Malibu Sun 13

Malibu/Eternity: Evil Ernie 1

Marvel Comics: Amazing Spider-Man 238

Marvel Comics: Amazing Spider-Man 239

Marvel Comics: Amazing Spider-Man 252

Marvel Comics: Amazing Spider-Man 298

Marvel Comics: Amazing Spider-Man 299

Marvel Comics: Amazing Spider-Man 300

Marvel Comics: Amazing Spider-Man 316

Marvel Comics: Amazing Spider-Man 361

Marvel Comics: Amazing Spider-Man 362

Marvel Comics: Daredevil 181

Marvel Comics: G.I. Joe, A Real American Hero 1

Marvel Comics: Incredible Hulk 271

Marvel Comics: Incredible Hulk 340

Marvel Comics: Infinity Gauntlet 1

Marvel Comics: Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars 8

Marvel Comics: New Mutants 87

Marvel Comics: New Mutants 98

Marvel Comics: Spider-Man 1

Marvel Comics: Spider-Man 1 Gold Edition

Marvel Comics: Spider-Man 1 Platinum Edition

Marvel Comics: Spider-Man 1 Silver Edition

Marvel Comics: Thor 337

Marvel Comics: Transformers 1

Marvel Comics: Uncanny X-Men 213

Marvel Comics: Uncanny X-Men 244

Marvel Comics: Uncanny X-Men 266

Marvel Comics: Uncanny X-Men 282

Marvel Comics: Web of Spider-Man 1

Marvel Comics: Wolverine 1

Marvel Comics: Wolverine 10

Marvel Comics: Wolverine Limited Series 1

Marvel Comics: Wolverine Limited Series 2

Marvel Comics: Wolverine Limited Series 3

Marvel Comics: Wolverine Limited Series 4

Marvel Comics: X-Factor 24

Marvel Comics: X-Factor 6

Marvel Comics: X-Force 2

Marvel Comics: X-Men 1

Marvel Comics: X-Men 1 Special Collectors Edition

Marvel/Epic Comics: Akira 1

Marvel/Epic Comics: Dreadstar 1

Marvel/Epic Comics: Elektra: Assassin 1

Marvel/Epic Comics: Elektra: Assassin 2

Marvel/Epic Comics: Elfquest 1

Marvel/Epic Comics: Groo the Wanderer 1

Marvel/Epic Comics: Silver Surfer Limited Series 1

Megaton: Megaton 3

Metropolis Comics: Turtlemania Special 1

Mirage Studios: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1

Mirage Studios: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 Third Printing

Mirage Studios: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2

Mirage Studios: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3

Mirage Studios: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 4

New England Comics: The Tick 1

New England Comics: The Tick Special Edition 1

Northstar Publishing: Faust 1

Now Comics: Terminator: The Burning Earth 1

Pacific Comics: Alien Worlds 2

Pacific Comics: Groo the Wanderer 1

Pacific Comics: Pacific Presents 1

Pacific Comics: Pacific Presents 2

Pacific Comics: Starslayer 2

Pacific Comics: Twisted Tales 1

Thoughts & Images: Albedo 2

Valiant: Harbinger 1

Valiant: Rai 0

Valiant: X-O Manowar 1

Whitman: Uncle Scrooge 195

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Nice list, thanks for compiling it, must of taken some effort!

I'm the "CGCdata.com" guy, so I've got a database of the census info that I use for these things. Just a little "tweaking" for the sizes of the various publishers. If you just look at total submissions, Marvel and DC dominate, so I needed a way to let the little guys in, too. (thumbs u

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Nice list, thanks for compiling it, must of taken some effort!

 

+1 Valiantman - great data!

 

There's actually a fair bit of correspondence between the 2 lists, which is interesting (reassuring?).

 

But there's a few things... like Legends #3 popping up on the list. I think a case could be made that Suicide Squad has really popped this year.

 

There are some emerging books Legends #3, orSuicide Squad #1, #23, #48 - should any of these be slipping onto the list?

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The years for this list were 1982 - 1992. In my opinion that is pretty spot on for the copper age.

 

Why there are some that lean towards 1980-1992 is some of those early books released that just didn't feel like the Bronze Age established superhero stories, but more the anti-hero and darker stories of the Copper Age.

 

  • Aug 1978: Eclipse Comics publishes Sabre: Slow Fade of an Endangered Species by Don McGregor and Paul Gulacy
  • May 1979: Daredevil 158- First Miller art
  • Nov 1979: Iron Man #128 "Demon in a Bottle"
  • Feb 1980: She-Hulk #1
  • Mar 1980: King Conan 1
  • Apr 1980: Star Trek 1
  • Spring 1980: Epic Illustrated 1
  • Sep 1980: X-Men 137- Death of Dark Phoenix
  • Oct 1980: DC Presents 26- first New Teen Titans
  • Nov 1980: New Teen Titans 1
  • Nov 1980: Moon Knight gets his own series
  • 1980 : Superboy Spectacular- Direct Sales only 1-shot
  • Jan 1981: Daredevil 168- First Miller -script; Intro Elektra
  • Jan 1981: X-Men 141 "Days of Future Past" launches alternate timeline which would form the basis for many X-continuity books/characters over the next several years.
  • Jan 1981: Capital Comics launches and publishes Nexus 1
  • Mar 1981: X-Men 143- Final Claremont/Byrne
  • Mar 1981: Dazzler 1- First direct-sales-only for an ongoing series
  • Mar 1981: Bizarre Adventures starts
  • Mar 1981: Captain Canuck is cancelled
  • May 1981: Eclipse Magazine starts
  • June 1981: The Hulk magazine ends
  • Jul 1981: Fantastic Four 232 - Byrne takes over FF writing/art duties.
  • Aug 1981: Rogue debuts
  • Aug 1981: Marvel Premiere ends
  • Nov 1981: Captain Victory 1 - 1st Pacific Comics issue, direct-only publisher
  • 1981: Marvel cancels many of its reprint titles, including MGC, AA, TTA, MSA, etc.
  • 1981: Stan Lee moves to California to head Marvel TV/movie properties, leaving Jim Shooter in charge
  • Jan 1982: Comico Comics founded: publishes Comico Primer #1.
  • Feb 1982: Comico Primer #2 introduces the character Grendel (Hunter Rose) by Matt Wagner.
  • March 1982: Warrior Magazine #1 (Marvelman, V for Vendetta)
  • May 1982: Saga of the Swamp Thing #1
  • June 1982: G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero #1
  • June 1982: Marvel Super-Hero Contest of Champions #1 (first Marvel mini-series, precursor to Secret Wars)
  • Sept 1982: Love and Rockets debuts
  • Sept 1982: Wolverine Mini #1
  • 1982: Harvey Comics, Warren Publishing and Spire Comics cease operations
  • 1982: DC cancels remaining Horror titles
  • 1982: Start of creator royalties at Marvel and DC
  • 1982: Steve Geppi founds Diamond
  • 1982: Marvel introduces Graphic Novel series, including Death of Captain Marvel and X-Men: God Loves, Man Kills.
  • Dec 1982: New Mutants introduction published in Marvel Graphic Novel #4, leading to a 1983-1991 dedicated title.

 

When you compare some of the 1980-1981 key events to 1982, they seem a little more 'Copper' than Bronze. Especially the independent companies that started cropping up early that were rooted in the Copper Age.

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Expanding the earlier CGC submissions list to make the timeframe 1980-1992 would result in the following as the "top submissions" by publisher:

 

1980-1992 (year is now shown for each issue)

 

Aardvark-Vanaheim: Cerebus the Aardvark 21 (1980)

Aardvark-Vanaheim: Flaming Carrot 1 (1984)

Aircel Comics: Men in Black 1 (1990)

Archie Publications: Archie's Girls, Betty and Veronica 320 (1982)

Archie Publications: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Adventures 1 (1988)

Archie Publications: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Adventures 1 (1989)

Blackthorne: Sheena 3-D Special 1 (1985)

Caliber Press: Caliber Presents 1 (1989)

Caliber Press: The Crow 1 (1989)

Caliber Press: The Crow 2 (1989)

Caliber Press: The Crow 4 (1989)

Cartoon Books: Bone 1 (1991)

Cartoon Books: Bone 2 (1991)

CFD Publications: Cry For Dawn 1 (1989)

CFD Publications: Cry For Dawn 3 (1990)

CFD Publications: Cry For Dawn 4 (1991)

Comico: Grendel 1 (1983)

Comico: Grendel 2 (1983)

Comico: Grendel 3 (1984)

Comico: Macross 1 (1984)

Comico: Primer 2 (1982)

D.C. Comics: Batman 404 (1987)

D.C. Comics: Batman 428 (1988)

D.C. Comics: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns 1 (1986)

D.C. Comics: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns 2 (1986)

D.C. Comics: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns 3 (1986)

D.C. Comics: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns 4 (1986)

D.C. Comics: Batman: The Killing Joke nn (1988)

D.C. Comics: Crisis on Infinite Earths 1 (1985)

D.C. Comics: Crisis on Infinite Earths 7 (1985)

D.C. Comics: Crisis on Infinite Earths 8 (1985)

D.C. Comics: DC Comics Presents 26 (1980)

D.C. Comics: Legends 3 (1987)

D.C. Comics: New Teen Titans 1 (1980)

D.C. Comics: New Teen Titans 2 (1980)

D.C. Comics: Omega Men 3 (1983)

D.C. Comics: Saga of the Swamp Thing 37 (1985)

D.C. Comics: Superman: The Man of Steel 18 (1992)

D.C. Comics: Tales of the Teen Titans 44 (1984)

D.C. Comics: Watchmen 1 (1986)

D.C. Comics: Watchmen 2 (1986)

D.C./Vertigo Comics: Sandman 1 (1989)

D.C./Vertigo Comics: Sandman 8 (1989)

D.C.-Marvel: Marvel & DC Present Featuring X-Men & Teen Titans (1982)

Dark Horse Comics: Star Wars: Dark Empire 1 (1991)

Eagle Comics: Judge Dredd 1 (1983)

Eclipse: Miracleman 1 (1985)

Eclipse: Miracleman 15 (1988)

Fantagraphics Books: Usagi Yojimbo 1 (1987)

First Comics: American Flagg 1 (1983)

First Comics: Jon Sable, Freelance 1 (1983)

First Comics: Lone Wolf & Cub 1 (1987)

Gladstone: Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge 219 (1987)

Image Comics: Spawn 1 (1992)

Innovation: Vampire Lestat 5 (1990)

Kitchen Sink Press: Death Rattle 8 (1986)

Kitchen Sink Press: Xenozoic Tales 1 (1987)

Last Gasp: Cherry Poptart 1 (1982)

Malibu Comics: Malibu Sun 13 (1992)

Malibu/Eternity: Evil Ernie 1 (1991)

Marvel Comics: Amazing Spider-Man 200 (1980)

Marvel Comics: Amazing Spider-Man 238 (1983)

Marvel Comics: Amazing Spider-Man 239 (1983)

Marvel Comics: Amazing Spider-Man 252 (1984)

Marvel Comics: Amazing Spider-Man 298 (1988)

Marvel Comics: Amazing Spider-Man 299 (1988)

Marvel Comics: Amazing Spider-Man 300 (1988)

Marvel Comics: Amazing Spider-Man 316 (1989)

Marvel Comics: Amazing Spider-Man 361 (1992)

Marvel Comics: Amazing Spider-Man 362 (1992)

Marvel Comics: Avengers Annual 10 (1981)

Marvel Comics: Daredevil 168 (1981)

Marvel Comics: Daredevil 181 (1982)

Marvel Comics: G.I. Joe, A Real American Hero 1 (1982)

Marvel Comics: Incredible Hulk 271 (1982)

Marvel Comics: Incredible Hulk 340 (1988)

Marvel Comics: Infinity Gauntlet 1 (1991)

Marvel Comics: Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars 8 (1984)

Marvel Comics: New Mutants 87 (1990)

Marvel Comics: New Mutants 98 (1991)

Marvel Comics: Savage She-Hulk 1 (1980)

Marvel Comics: Spider-Man 1 (1990)

Marvel Comics: Spider-Man 1 Gold Edition (1990)

Marvel Comics: Spider-Man 1 Platinum Edition (1990)

Marvel Comics: Spider-Man 1 Silver Edition (1990)

Marvel Comics: Thor 337 (1983)

Marvel Comics: Transformers 1 (1984)

Marvel Comics: Uncanny X-Men 142 (1981)

Marvel Comics: Uncanny X-Men 143 (1981)

Marvel Comics: Uncanny X-Men 213 (1987)

Marvel Comics: Uncanny X-Men 244 (1989)

Marvel Comics: Uncanny X-Men 266 (1990)

Marvel Comics: Uncanny X-Men 282 (1991)

Marvel Comics: Web of Spider-Man 1 (1985)

Marvel Comics: Wolverine 1 (1988)

Marvel Comics: Wolverine 10 (1989)

Marvel Comics: Wolverine Limited Series 1 (1982)

Marvel Comics: Wolverine Limited Series 2 (1982)

Marvel Comics: Wolverine Limited Series 3 (1982)

Marvel Comics: Wolverine Limited Series 4 (1982)

Marvel Comics: X-Factor 24 (1988)

Marvel Comics: X-Factor 6 (1986)

Marvel Comics: X-Force 2 (1991)

Marvel Comics: X-Men 1 (1991)

Marvel Comics: X-Men 1 Special Collectors Edition (1991)

Marvel Comics: X-Men 129 (1980)

Marvel Comics: X-Men 130 (1980)

Marvel Comics: X-Men 135 (1980)

Marvel Comics: X-Men 136 (1980)

Marvel Comics: X-Men 137 (1980)

Marvel Comics: X-Men 138 (1980)

Marvel Comics: X-Men 139 (1980)

Marvel Comics: X-Men 140 (1980)

Marvel Comics: X-Men 141 (1981)

Marvel/Epic Comics: Akira 1 (1988)

Marvel/Epic Comics: Dreadstar 1 (1982)

Marvel/Epic Comics: Elektra: Assassin 1 (1986)

Marvel/Epic Comics: Elektra: Assassin 2 (1986)

Marvel/Epic Comics: Elfquest 1 (1985)

Marvel/Epic Comics: Groo the Wanderer 1 (1985)

Marvel/Epic Comics: Silver Surfer Limited Series 1 (1988)

Megaton: Megaton 3 (1986)

Metropolis Comics: Turtlemania Special 1 (1986)

Mirage Studios: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 (1984)

Mirage Studios: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 Third Printing (1985)

Mirage Studios: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2 (1984)

Mirage Studios: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3 (1985)

Mirage Studios: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 4 (1985)

New England Comics: The Tick 1 (1988)

New England Comics: The Tick Special Edition 1 (1988)

Northstar Publishing: Faust 1 (1989)

Now Comics: Terminator: The Burning Earth 1 (1990)

Pacific Comics: Alien Worlds 2 (1983)

Pacific Comics: Groo the Wanderer 1 (1982)

Pacific Comics: Pacific Presents 1 (1982)

Pacific Comics: Pacific Presents 2 (1983)

Pacific Comics: Starslayer 2 (1982)

Pacific Comics: Twisted Tales 1 (1982)

Thoughts & Images: Albedo 2 (1984)

Valiant: Harbinger 1 (1992)

Valiant: Rai 0 (1992)

Valiant: X-O Manowar 1 (1992)

Warren Publishing: Vampirella 100 (1981)

 

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My own sense is that DCCP #26 and New Teen Titans #1 are very "copper-y", and that the whole "copperization" process was not like a lightswitch going off overnight, but in last year's discussion we wanted some firmer timelines.

 

Most of the books from 1982 on your list do get a shout out (of sorts) on last year's Top 50 list...

 

I'm really interested, though, in what's changing... Are GI Joe or Transformers declining in importance? Are Suicide Squad or Black Adam or Captain Marvel or Warlock appearances on the rise?

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My own sense is that DCCP #26 and New Teen Titans #1 are very "copper-y", and that the whole "copperization" process was not like a lightswitch going off overnight, but in last year's discussion we wanted some firmer timelines.

 

Most of the books from 1982 on your list do get a shout out (of sorts) on last year's Top 50 list...

 

I'm really interested, though, in what's changing... Are GI Joe or Transformers declining in importance? Are Suicide Squad or Black Adam or Captain Marvel or Warlock appearances on the rise?

 

I think GI Joe has really taken a hit over the last ten years, partially due to two horrible movies and no current animated show for kids to enjoy. It seems like GI Joe is being remembered by people that grew up with it where as Transformers are being enjoyed kids and adults alike.

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Im surprised no one mentions this book

 

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The success of ElfQuest inspired alot of independent creators in the 80s. It was released in the same month as Cerebus #1. I think I read somewhere that there were 10,000 copies printed which may explain why its not as scarce as Cerebus. But still a key copper player made in the Bronze.

I will also include Visions fanzine in that list and lets not forget Warrior/Quality pub (thumbs u

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My own sense is that DCCP #26 and New Teen Titans #1 are very "copper-y", and that the whole "copperization" process was not like a lightswitch going off overnight, but in last year's discussion we wanted some firmer timelines.

 

Most of the books from 1982 on your list do get a shout out (of sorts) on last year's Top 50 list...

 

I'm really interested, though, in what's changing... Are GI Joe or Transformers declining in importance? Are Suicide Squad or Black Adam or Captain Marvel or Warlock appearances on the rise?

That is a good point about what pops up as the new 'bigger book' than where it started out.

 

Look at books like X-Factor 6 that a few years ago you could have purchased a 9.8 for $60-$80. And that was a struggle at times to get that price. Now, a much more key book.

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