UK Price Variants

[gaz2810i]

Yeah I would love to know this as well?

 

I think he means 'specifically the Bronze Age books that were printed with $0.30 and $0.35 cent price test variations for the American markets'.

 

 

Doesn't mean that the term 'price variant' is exclusive to those issues surely?

 

Thats exactly what I was just going to say... they are examples of price variants and not necessarily part of the definition. Assumungvthats what he neant by the statement that is.

[gyro-1]

Printed in north America

Advertising for north America

The box they were shipped in made in north America

The boat they traveled in left north America

AND

The comic code thingy IS NORTH AMERICAN wasn't there some kind of you have to have that on a USA comic ?

[VintageComics]

I believe the only difference earlier issues (as in from the SA) didn't share a month / date was becomes travel times were much longer in the early 1960's and nobody wanted to see a stale publication on the newsstands.

 

 

[TheLiamSturgess]

Regardless of whether or not "price variant" is generally assumed to mean strictly the American-market 30 and 35 cent variants, the definition of "price variant" needs to be adapted to include these.

 

These particular "international editions" were printed alongside the standard US copies (exactly like the 30/35ers) and then shipped out to their dedicated market (exactly like the 30/35ers). They are the same book at heart with some "variations", logically classifying them as variants.

 

 

[VintageComics]

the definition of "price variant" needs to be adapted to include these.

 

This is what it comes down to, in a nut-shell.

 

Before people knew what the 30/35 centers were there was confusion

 

Before people knew what the Canadian price variants were there was confusion.

 

As the picture continues to form we need to adapt, just as the hobby has always adapted as new information comes to light.

[Comicopolis]

I believe the only difference earlier issues (as in from the SA) didn't share a month / date was becomes travel times were much longer in the early 1960's and nobody wanted to see a stale publication on the newsstands.

 

 

This is true.

[Jaydogrules]

Regardless of whether or not "price variant" is generally assumed to mean strictly the American-market 30 and 35 cent variants, the definition of "price variant" needs to be adapted to include these.

 

These particular "international editions" were printed alongside the standard US copies (exactly like the 30/35ers) and then shipped out to their dedicated market (exactly like the 30/35ers). They are the same book at heart with some "variations", logically classifying them as variants.

 

 

Except these aren't "price variants"- that pertains to denomination, not currency type. Little Johnny in Chicago wasn't buying comic books with "9d" printed on the front cover at his local five and dime in 1961. These books are exactly what CGC already calls them on their labels- "UK Editions". What exactly is wrong with that? As someone stated earlier the term "price variant" already has a well settled meaning and understood application in the hobby. We don't need to change anything to include anything other than that just so people can feel better about their foreign comic books.

 

-J.

[EwanUK]

Crikey haven't we done this to death!!!!

 

NOT REPRINTS

 

ARE 1st PRINTS

 

ARE A LEGITIMATE VARIANT OF THE ORIGINAL

 

THE KEY VARIATION IS -

 

1) THE PRICE (thus it is factually a price variant)

2) THE PRICE IS IN BRITISH CURRENCY (d or p) (thus it is factually a pence price variant)

 

ARE KNOWN TO BE AROUND 10% OF THE PRINT RUN (so much scarcer)

 

ARE VERY RARE IN HIGH GRADE (from 30 years collecting)

 

WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING? (sorry, I need a valium )

 

 

 

 

 

[gaz973]

Regardless of whether or not "price variant" is generally assumed to mean strictly the American-market 30 and 35 cent variants, the definition of "price variant" needs to be adapted to include these.

 

These particular "international editions" were printed alongside the standard US copies (exactly like the 30/35ers) and then shipped out to their dedicated market (exactly like the 30/35ers). They are the same book at heart with some "variations", logically classifying them as variants.

 

 

Except these aren't "price variants"- that pertains to denomination, not currency type. Little Johnny in Chicago wasn't buying comic books with "9d" printed on the front cover at his local five and dime in 1961. These books are exactly what CGC already calls them on their labels- "UK Editions". What exactly is wrong with that? As someone stated earlier the term "price variant" already has a well settled meaning and understood application in the hobby. We don't need to change anything to include anything other than that just so people can feel better about their foreign comic books.

 

-J.

Like I've said before, I don't really care whether they are classed as a variant or not but out of interest, what is your specific definition of a variant?

[VintageComics]

Regardless of whether or not "price variant" is generally assumed to mean strictly the American-market 30 and 35 cent variants, the definition of "price variant" needs to be adapted to include these.

 

These particular "international editions" were printed alongside the standard US copies (exactly like the 30/35ers) and then shipped out to their dedicated market (exactly like the 30/35ers). They are the same book at heart with some "variations", logically classifying them as variants.

 

 

Except these aren't "price variants"- that pertains to denomination, not currency type. Little Johnny in Chicago wasn't buying comic books with "9d" printed on the front cover at his local five and dime in 1961. These books are exactly what CGC already calls them on their labels- "UK Editions". What exactly is wrong with that? As someone stated earlier the term "price variant" already has a well settled meaning and understood application in the hobby. We don't need to change anything to include anything other than that just so people can feel better about their foreign comic books.

 

-J.

 

You've evaded my posts, you've contradicted your own logic and now you're moving the goal posts in nice and tight to make your meaning the correct one.

 

While the term 'price variant' was originally used for 30/35 centers, the market is much bigger than that. It just wasn't understood.

 

Canadian copper comics with a $0.75 cover price compared to a $0.60 cover price are also considered price variants - maybe not by everyone yet, but they are by Canadian collectors and gradually by non-Canadian collectors.

 

The SA UK books are 99.9% identical to their American comics, they have been printed at the same time (unlike reprints which are printed at a different time) and the only differences are either the pricing slug on the front cover, or the pricing slug on the front cover and a distributor slug on the interior on earlier issues.

 

Not calling them price variants (because all they are is the same comic with a different price on them) is a pretzular contortion of biblical proportions.

 

 

[Comicopolis]

They also are printed with no cover date/month.

 

They also have different indicia on the inside front cover.

 

Only the very earliest issues do.

 

The vast majority do not.

 

The earliest ones are the ones people mostly want, no? The Hulk 1's, early FF's, AF 15's, etc?

 

Later on they became actual reprints.

 

-J.

 

Got a link to where this is evidenced?

 

 

[Jaydogrules]

Regardless of whether or not "price variant" is generally assumed to mean strictly the American-market 30 and 35 cent variants, the definition of "price variant" needs to be adapted to include these.

 

These particular "international editions" were printed alongside the standard US copies (exactly like the 30/35ers) and then shipped out to their dedicated market (exactly like the 30/35ers). They are the same book at heart with some "variations", logically classifying them as variants.

 

 

Except these aren't "price variants"- that pertains to denomination, not currency type. Little Johnny in Chicago wasn't buying comic books with "9d" printed on the front cover at his local five and dime in 1961. These books are exactly what CGC already calls them on their labels- "UK Editions". What exactly is wrong with that? As someone stated earlier the term "price variant" already has a well settled meaning and understood application in the hobby. We don't need to change anything to include anything other than that just so people can feel better about their foreign comic books.

 

-J.

Like I've said before, I don't really care whether they are classed as a variant or not but out of interest, what is your specific definition of a variant?

 

This isn't a discussion about the definition of the word "variant". This is about attempting to expand a well settled and rightfully narrow term to a group of books where it is plainly not applicable. But if you don't like the term "UK Edition" for some reason, would "Foreign Variant" be more acceptable if you must rope that word into the discussion?

 

-J.

[gaz2810i]

Xenophobic?

[Comicopolis]

Regardless of whether or not "price variant" is generally assumed to mean strictly the American-market 30 and 35 cent variants, the definition of "price variant" needs to be adapted to include these.

 

These particular "international editions" were printed alongside the standard US copies (exactly like the 30/35ers) and then shipped out to their dedicated market (exactly like the 30/35ers). They are the same book at heart with some "variations", logically classifying them as variants.

 

 

Except these aren't "price variants"- that pertains to denomination, not currency type. Little Johnny in Chicago wasn't buying comic books with "9d" printed on the front cover at his local five and dime in 1961. These books are exactly what CGC already calls them on their labels- "UK Editions". What exactly is wrong with that? As someone stated earlier the term "price variant" already has a well settled meaning and understood application in the hobby. We don't need to change anything to include anything other than that just so people can feel better about their foreign comic books.

 

-J.

Like I've said before, I don't really care whether they are classed as a variant or not but out of interest, what is your specific definition of a variant?

 

This isn't a discussion about the definition of the word "variant". This is about attempting to expand a well settled and rightfully narrow term to a group of books where it is plainly not applicable. But if you don't like the term "UK Edition" for some reason, would "Foreign Variant" be more acceptable if you must rope that word into the discussion?

 

-J.

 

Where is it a 'well settled and rightfully narrow term'? I've posted a couple of links in this thread where people in the industry call them price variants.

 

Any chance you will ever show us the evidence for the statement you posted earlier about later editions actually being reprints?

[gaz973]

Regardless of whether or not "price variant" is generally assumed to mean strictly the American-market 30 and 35 cent variants, the definition of "price variant" needs to be adapted to include these.

 

These particular "international editions" were printed alongside the standard US copies (exactly like the 30/35ers) and then shipped out to their dedicated market (exactly like the 30/35ers). They are the same book at heart with some "variations", logically classifying them as variants.

 

 

Except these aren't "price variants"- that pertains to denomination, not currency type. Little Johnny in Chicago wasn't buying comic books with "9d" printed on the front cover at his local five and dime in 1961. These books are exactly what CGC already calls them on their labels- "UK Editions". What exactly is wrong with that? As someone stated earlier the term "price variant" already has a well settled meaning and understood application in the hobby. We don't need to change anything to include anything other than that just so people can feel better about their foreign comic books.

 

-J.

Like I've said before, I don't really care whether they are classed as a variant or not but out of interest, what is your specific definition of a variant?

 

This isn't a discussion about the definition of the word "variant". This is about attempting to expand a well settled and rightfully narrow term to a group of books where it is plainly not applicable. But if you don't like the term "UK Edition" for some reason, would "Foreign Variant" be more acceptable if you must rope that word into the discussion?

 

-J.

My question had nothing to do with my feelings about how they should be referred to. You stated that the term variant has a well settled and rightfully narrow meaning and I asked you what your definition of it is. Didn't seem to be an unreasonable question within the discussion so not sure why you'd want to avoid it?

[Ken Aldred]

They also are printed with no cover date/month.

 

They also have different indicia on the inside front cover.

 

Only the very earliest issues do.

 

The vast majority do not.

 

The earliest ones are the ones people mostly want, no? The Hulk 1's, early FF's, AF 15's, etc?

 

Later on they became actual reprints.

 

-J.

 

Got a link to where this is evidenced?

 

 

Just a thought. Is this confusing, say, Marvel All-Colour Comics (actual new, imported, original material) with the Marvel UK b/w reprints from the same period?

[Comicopolis]

They also are printed with no cover date/month.

 

They also have different indicia on the inside front cover.

 

Only the very earliest issues do.

 

The vast majority do not.

 

The earliest ones are the ones people mostly want, no? The Hulk 1's, early FF's, AF 15's, etc?

 

Later on they became actual reprints.

 

-J.

 

Got a link to where this is evidenced?

 

 

Just a thought. Is this confusing, say, Marvel All-Colour Comics (actual new, original material) with the Marvel UK b/w reprints during the same period?

 

You'd have to be pretty, er, 'sharp' to be confused by those.

[Ken Aldred]

They also are printed with no cover date/month.

 

They also have different indicia on the inside front cover.

 

Only the very earliest issues do.

 

The vast majority do not.

 

The earliest ones are the ones people mostly want, no? The Hulk 1's, early FF's, AF 15's, etc?

 

Later on they became actual reprints.

 

-J.

 

Got a link to where this is evidenced?

 

 

Just a thought. Is this confusing, say, Marvel All-Colour Comics (actual new, original material) with the Marvel UK b/w reprints during the same period?

 

You'd have to be pretty, er, 'sharp' to be confused by those.

 

The Marvel UK stuff often gets treated here on the boards as variant material. Oops, shouldn't have introduced that.

[Ken Aldred]

To an ageing Limey like me, a good, old-fashioned All-Colour Comic is the real deal: original Americana, apart from the more sensible currency stamped on the cover. Sea Monkeys, Grit, Count Dante, build-it-yourself Polaris nuclear submarines, and Howard M. Rogofsky, twin brother of Howard D. Rogofsky, who used to advertise in TAP-stamped DC Comics.

 

[TheLiamSturgess]

Regardless of whether or not "price variant" is generally assumed to mean strictly the American-market 30 and 35 cent variants, the definition of "price variant" needs to be adapted to include these.

 

These particular "international editions" were printed alongside the standard US copies (exactly like the 30/35ers) and then shipped out to their dedicated market (exactly like the 30/35ers). They are the same book at heart with some "variations", logically classifying them as variants.

 

 

Except these aren't "price variants"- that pertains to denomination, not currency type. Little Johnny in Chicago wasn't buying comic books with "9d" printed on the front cover at his local five and dime in 1961. These books are exactly what CGC already calls them on their labels- "UK Editions". What exactly is wrong with that? As someone stated earlier the term "price variant" already has a well settled meaning and understood application in the hobby. We don't need to change anything to include anything other than that just so people can feel better about their foreign comic books.

 

-J.

 

Yes, they are. Limiting the definition to the American books simply because they're American is absent in reason.

 

Yes, they are UK editions, but what is also true by logical definition is that they are also variants.

 

The "well settled meaning" was established by a collecting market that likely didn't have all the information, which is why the definition should now reasonably be changed. Also, clearly "the hobby" doesn't agree that the current definition works, otherwise there wouldn't be a discussion here at all.

 

And lastly, yes we do need to change the definition so these "foreign comic books" are accurately documented.