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Action Comics 5 CGC 9.4 (blue label!!)

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VintageComics

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..... then there's the possibility that CGC graded it way too tightly as an 8.5..... and if I recall, the 8.5 slab looked mighty nice for the grade. Personally, I'd expect the scenario was a bit of both worlds.... undergraded AND then pressed.

 

This is it exactly.

 

 

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it would have to be. the thing is, 9.4 looks like a solid grade for it based on the front. Wonder if it was a press job or what.

I have to disagree about it looking like a solid 9.4. The bottom of the spine looks too rubbed, and there's also some wear around the lower staple. I'd have gone 9.2 at the highest, and that's without seeing it in hand—could be lower.

 

I think the grade is solid and is a credit to CGC frankly.

 

Well I wonder what made it an 8.5 in its previous life? Hard to not be a cynic but my first thought is that this is big dollar book monkey business [again] but more likely went through a dry clean and press the second time around.

 

 

We seem to become cynics when a big book gets an astounding grade, but forget the instances where big books get the shaft.

 

The beautiful HG Action 2 that came back cleaned when there was apparently nothing definitive to warrant such a designation is an example.

 

I don't buy into big book funny business.

 

For a business predicated on trust it would be stupid to award big books gift grades. Big books draw intense scrutiny - mistakes are amplified and funny business would be exposed or at minimum credibility would be lost.

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I think the grade is solid and is a credit to CGC frankly.

 

Well I wonder what made it an 8.5 in its previous life? Hard to not be a cynic but my first thought is that this is big dollar book monkey business [again] but more likely went through a dry clean and press the second time around.

 

 

 

I don't buy into big book funny business.

 

For a business predicated on trust it would be stupid to award big books gift grades. Big books draw intense scrutiny - mistakes are amplified and funny business would be exposed or at minimum credibility would be lost.

 

Well, how about the Action 1 that started off as a CGC 8.0 and eventually ended up as a CGC 9.0 and sold for millions of dollars more as a result. hm

 

Or the infamous Church copy of Boy Comics #17 that started off as a CGC 4.0 before finally ending up as a CGC 9.0 after a couple of upgrades, all while residing in a blue slab. :screwy:

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..... then there's the possibility that CGC graded it way too tightly as an 8.5..... and if I recall, the 8.5 slab looked mighty nice for the grade. Personally, I'd expect the scenario was a bit of both worlds.... undergraded AND then pressed.

 

This is it exactly.

 

 

Although I know what the answer will be since it's just an opinion, I still have to ask the question anyways.

 

If CGC had undergraded the book by mistake on the first submission, would the submittor have to pay the grading fee for the second grading if nothing else was done to the book and it was just a simple resubmission by the original submittor resulting in the higher grade, or would he be entitled to a refund for his initial grading fee?

 

After all, that is a very costly mistake to the submittor that CGC just did in terms of improperly grading the book the first time.

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Yes, but what if the original submittor had sold the book at a much lower price based upon the mistaken assumption that the initial lower grade assigned to the book by CGC was correct? :flamed:

 

There are some that would claim the original submitter is at fault for not resubmitting it.

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Yes, but what if the original submittor had sold the book at a much lower price based upon the mistaken assumption that the initial lower grade assigned to the book by CGC was correct? :flamed:

 

There are some that would claim the original submitter is at fault for not resubmitting it.

 

Well, that's a fantastic business model that CGC has then. lol

 

It's now up to the customer to pay thousands of dollars more for the company to correct their initial mistake and do the job right. How many other businesses can get away with this type of business model.

 

It's almost an incentive for CGC to undergrade so that their customers can send the exact same books in for regrading again.

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Yes, but what if the original submittor had sold the book at a much lower price based upon the mistaken assumption that the initial lower grade assigned to the book by CGC was correct? :flamed:

 

There are some that would claim the original submitter is at fault for not resubmitting it.

 

Well, that's a fantastic business model that CGC has then. lol

 

It's now up to the customer to pay thousands of dollars more for the company to correct their initial mistake and do the job right. How many other businesses can get away with this type of business model.

 

The legal system.

 

Depending on how you look at it, it can be different every time.

 

Life is like that. Nobody is perfectly objective.

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This is just me..... and everyone has their own personal nuances when it comes to grading...... but I'm of the belief that an 8.5 should have defects that would make it physically impossible to upgrade to 9.4, even with pressing. On the other hand, a small back cover stain could have been removed through dry cleaning, but then I have to question what kind of small stain is going to drop a book all the way from 9.4 to 8.5 ? If this is what occurred then I think most of us would think that stains are being treated too harshly. Again, this is just 2c GOD BLESS....

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u

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VintageComics

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Could be that the other guys grades are so high that it gets them great advertisement then your business.

CGC might have backed off being so strict on there grades.

 

This book was graded years before the other guys existed. It was graded in 2011.

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This is just me..... and everyone has their own personal nuances when it comes to grading...... but I'm of the belief that an 8.5 should have defects that would make it physically impossible to upgrade to 9.4, even with pressing. On the other hand, a small back cover stain could have been removed through dry cleaning, but then I have to question what kind of small stain is going to drop a book all the way from 9.4 to 8.5 ? If this is what occurred then I think most of us would think that stains are being treated too harshly. Again, this is just 2c GOD BLESS....

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u

 

Those kinds of grade bumps happen all the time. I've had a 6.5 bump to 9.0, and an 8.0 bump to 9.6, both with a simple pressing.

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My point is that non color breaking dimples and such shouldn't be dropping a book so far.....unless maybe the book was folded in half or something. That's me...... in my world, and with most of what I buy from professional dealers..... an 8.5 will be impossible to upgrade to 9.4 through simple pressing......GOD BLESS....

 

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Actually, I'm surprised by how many smaller dealers still don't press their books. Either they object to it, don't really know about it, or they don't want to take the time. So an 8.5 to a 9.4 seems plausible to me just from pressing.

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Could be that the other guys grades are so high that it gets them great advertisement then your business.

CGC might have backed off being so strict on there grades.

 

This book was graded years before the other guys existed. It was graded in 2011.

 

It was graded by those "other guys." ;)

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