New podcast/video from Felix Comic Art (UPDATED 1/3/17!)
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9 minutes ago, The Shoveler said:

If I take a nap, I could miss out on the next Frank Miller! :ohnoez:

lol Actually, Sean Murphy has explicitly proclaimed comic art to be an investment AND compared himself to Frank Miller AND called WHITE KNIGHT the next DKR. Where's the outrage?

You must be nodding off, anyway, because you missed replying to several of my posts.

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26 minutes ago, Nexus said:

Actually, I'm *not* advocating speculation. I'm also not trying to be altruistic or honorable, either (wtf, lol).  I say what I think. However you take it, is how you take it.

I don't believe anyone is suggesting that you're pushing comic art as some can't miss investment that people should be speculating into. Not at all.

But to put it a different way, if a stock broker stands on a soapbox talking about how great it was to invest in Walmart in 1980 or Apple in 2001, and then immediately follows that up with a "great deal on a brand new stock that will be the next Apple", it is seen as an attempt to create an association.

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2 minutes ago, Nexus said:

lol Actually, Sean Murphy has explicitly proclaimed comic art to be an investment AND compared himself to Frank Miller AND called WHITE KNIGHT the next DKR. Where's the outrage?

You must be nodding off, anyway, because you missed replying to several of my posts.

I'm multi-tasking.  You're deflecting.

7 minutes ago, Nexus said:

So someone like The Shoveler is just going to assume the worst.

There you go again, putting your words and your inferences into my mouth.  I'm not assuming anything.  All I have to do is read your words. 

 

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Just now, RabidFerret said:

I don't believe anyone is suggesting that you're pushing comic art as some can't miss investment that people should be speculating into. Not at all.

But to put it a different way, if a stock broker stands on a soapbox talking about how great it was to invest in Walmart in 1980 or Apple in 2001, and then immediately follows that up with a "great deal on a brand new stock that will be the next Apple", it is seen as an attempt to create an association.

Interesting that you would compare comic artists to stocks, when I'm comparing comic artists to other comic artists.

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2 minutes ago, The Shoveler said:

You're deflecting.

Sigh. Show me again where I said anything about future value. Or continue deflecting.

2 minutes ago, The Shoveler said:

There you go again, putting your words and your inferences into my mouth.  I'm not assuming anything.  All I have to do is read your words.

Right. And you've made clear what my words are saying...to you.

You accuse me of deflecting. While deflecting. You accuse me of inferring. While inferring. That says a lot...to me.

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3 minutes ago, Nexus said:

Sigh. Show me again where I said anything about future value.

 

1 hour ago, The Shoveler said:
  10 hours ago, Mr. Machismo said:
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  • Daniel has set himself on the path of becoming a complete comics creator, writing and drawing his own stories. As anyone who has read EXTREMITY can attest, he is excelling at both. The next Frank Miller may actually have nothing to do with Batman comics.
  • And yes, Tradd's amazing art from the landmark VENOM #150 is headlining the show. VENOM #150 may go down as this generation's DOCTOR STRANGE #55, an artist's showcase and calling card for Tradd the way it was for Michael Golden. That's right, I'm saying Tradd may be a gamechanger like Michael Golden!
  • So long as Thanos remains a fan-favorite villain, “Thanos Wins” is destined to live on as an evergreen trade when this six-issue event is completed. It should be to Thanos what “Year One” is to Batman and “Born Again” is to Daredevil.
  • THOR #701 may very well represent peak Harren (to date). James is already hugely influential amongst his peers, and this issue only further establishes his status as a generational talent. THOR #701 will be studied for years to come.

Since you missed it the first time...

1 hour ago, The Shoveler said:

And when you promote somebody as the next Frank Miller and hype their latest project as being analogous to Miller's most lucrative high-water marks, then you build the cliff and announce how fabulous it would be to take a leap.

 

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7 minutes ago, The Shoveler said:

 

 

 

Since you missed it the first time...

 

No, this is great. Because you still haven't shown where *I've* said anything about future value, promoted speculation, or whatever.

Again, that *you* take it that way, says a lot about you and how you view this hobby.

And since *you* missed it the first time...

10 hours ago, Nexus said:

I'm glad you brought this up. When I mention these things, it's from the perspective of a fan. It's from the perspective of someone who has been a collector for 40 years. It's from the perspective of someone who really appreciates good comic art. It's in no way encouraging anyone to buy for value.

Let's go over these:

- If anyone's going to be the "next Frank Miller", it won't be because they worked on a Batman comic. It will be because they kick at writing and drawing their own work. Let's not forget, Frank Miller could actually write. Does this mean DWJ's art will be worth what Frank Miller's art is now worth? NO. It just means he's a badass comics creator.

- How many of you even get the DOCTOR STRANGE #55 reference? Or care about Michael Golden? This is just how *I* see it. Michael Golden is an artist's artist. He does not have the name, or market, value of an Art Adams or a Todd McFarlane. I'm not saying Tradd's going to be "hot". Just respected by his peers.

- Marvel is so happy with THANOS WINS, that both Donny and Geoff are being treated very well. There's not much I can say about this, other than all will be revealed in time. So yes, THANOS WINS is destined to be a go-to story for Thanos fans...much like BORN AGAIN and YEAR ONE. I mentioned those specifically, because like TW, they were inserted into a regular run, they weren't standalones. But they proved to be defining stories.

- This one is easy. James is already hugely influential to younger artists. He already has countless imitators. He IS a generational talent.

Now, am I excited by these guys? Am I enthusiastic about their art? YES. Of course. I wouldn't be doing this otherwise. But I have also been very, very vocal about "investment", speculation, values, etc., throughout the years. I don't know how much more I can stress that. If the art was worth nothing, I'd still be a fan of Frank Miller, DOCTOR STRANGE #55, BORN AGAIN, YEAR ONE, etc. I loved that stuff before I even knew about OA.

 

(I've also said that "all art started off as modern art". Some might take that to mean get it now while it's cheap. NO. It means get it now WHILE YOU CAN. Circling back to our earlier discussion, I'd LOVE to have been able to buy AMERICAN FLAGG!, GRENDEL, MAGE, NEXUS, BADGER, JON SABLE, etc. covers when they were first sold. But I wasn't in this hobby when the opportunity was there. We know, intellectually, that they will lose value over time. But I still wish I had them, terrible "investments" or not.)

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2 minutes ago, Nexus said:

it's from the perspective of a fan

A fan who's a dealer that is sending a marketing newsletter hyping the goods as the next Frank Miller product.

 

Anyway, have a great evening.  It was lovely chatting with you.

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Just now, The Shoveler said:

A fan who's a dealer that is sending a marketing newsletter hyping the goods as the next Frank Miller product.

 

Anyway, have a great evening.  It was lovely chatting with you.

lol "...hyping the goods as the next Frank Miller product"...you'll have to show me where I said that, too.

Was it really "lovely"? Or is someone full of "spoon"?

lol

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1 minute ago, Nexus said:

Interesting that you would compare comic artists to stocks, when I'm comparing comic artists to other comic artists.

My god, this is like trying to have a conversation with Trump...

I'm very sorry if this is going over your head.

Maybe I can simplify it even more for you:

You are equating a financially successful item from 30 years in the past with a brand new item you are attempting to sell.

 

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Just now, RabidFerret said:

My god, this is like trying to have a conversation with Trump...

I'm very sorry if this is going over your head.

Maybe I can simplify it even more for you:

You are equating a financially successful item from 30 years in the past with a brand new item you are attempting to sell.

 

No, *you're* equating a financially successful item from 30 years in the past with a brand new item I'm attempting to sell.

I've not mentioned anything "financial". I'm comparing a supremely talented young artist with a supremely talented older artist. I'm comparing a new story with a well-remembered one.

When I look at a BORN AGAIN page, I marvel at Mazzuccelli's perfect artistic translation of Miller's brilliantly composed story. You apparently see a financially successful item from 30 years ago.

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Just now, Nexus said:

No, *you're* equating a financially successful item from 30 years in the past with a brand new item I'm attempting to sell.

I've not mentioned anything "financial". I'm comparing a supremely talented young artist with a supremely talented older artist. I'm comparing a new story with a well-remembered one.

When I look at a BORN AGAIN page, I marvel at Mazzuccelli's perfect artistic translation of Miller's brilliantly composed story. You apparently see a financially successful item from 30 years ago.

You are an art dealer. You are in the business of selling artwork. Your whole purpose is "financial".

But please, show me examples then of where you're equating the art you're selling to wonderful but worthless books from the past? To your point, there must be plenty of examples of you doing this, right?

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Just now, RabidFerret said:

You are an art dealer. You are in the business of selling artwork. Your whole purpose is "financial".

But please, show me examples then of where you're equating the art you're selling to wonderful but worthless books from the past? To your point, there must be plenty of examples of you doing this, right?

I'm not an art dealer. I'm a rep. *My* whole purpose isn't financial. If it was, I wouldn't be doing this. More assumptions...

How valuable is DOCTOR STRANGE #55?

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1 minute ago, Nexus said:

I'm not an art dealer. I'm a rep. *My* whole purpose isn't financial. If it was, I wouldn't be doing this. More assumptions...

How valuable is DOCTOR STRANGE #55?

You sell artwork as a business. Your goal is to sell artwork for your clients. Stop defensively splitting hairs on insignificant things.

As for DS55, I don't follow Golden, but given the lone example on Heritage selling for $10k in 2008, I'd imagine it would be worth quite a bit more today.

So I'm still curious what 30 year old art you've been comparing your artists to on artistic merits only?

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16 minutes ago, Nexus said:

I'm not an art dealer. I'm a rep. *My* whole purpose isn't financial. If it was, I wouldn't be doing this. More assumptions...

How valuable is DOCTOR STRANGE #55?

$45 in 9.8. 

I don’t know, Felix. I remember that time you called Ramon Villalobos “the Mexican Jim Lee” and then there was a run on your RV inventory. 

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I didn’t read Thanos Wins but I imagine quite a few art collectors did, possibly more than the 22 pages that were available. If you want a page in today’s hobby, you have to be lightning fast. Maybe collectors want a page not because they believe it’ll increase in value, but because they know someone later will increase the price. 

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1 minute ago, RabidFerret said:

You sell artwork as a business. Your goal is to sell artwork for your clients. Stop defensively splitting hairs on insignificant things.

As for DS55, I don't follow Golden, but given the lone example on Heritage selling for $10k in 2008, I'd imagine it would be worth quite a bit more today.

So I'm still curious what 30 year old art you've been comparing your artists to on artistic merits only?

Splitting hairs, huh? Then you'll like this next one...

Please show me the BOOK that sold for $10K. Because that's what you said, "books".

What's funny about the Golden comparison is that Tradd has also been compared to Todd McFarlane and Art Adams. Both of whom are much bigger fan favorites, and whose art is worth much more, than Michael Golden. Hell, with Tradd's issue being VENOM, it would have been that much easier to mention McFarlane. EXCEPT...I actually like and respect Michael Golden's art, and am mostly ambivalent about McFarlane (I do like Art Adams, but Golden is my favorite of the three!). I also believe Golden is the more apt comparison on technical skill. So...Michael Golden.

I'm also guessing most of the people reading my newsletter have little idea who Michael Golden is, while it's more likely they know McFarlane. I mean, I'm sure Kyle knows who McFarlane is; I'm a lot less sure he knows Golden. So if I'm doing anything other than expressing what I like, I'm doing a pretty crappy job of it.

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16 hours ago, comix4fun said:

You mean like pages from Superman Annual 11?

 

:gossip: Alan Moore wrote the story.  

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